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Offline gregjones

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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »
Points are just a plus.  They are usually only a hundred bucks or so each but on dola's I'm finding they might be out of my league.[;)]

I think it's fantastic[:p][:p][:p]

It would be killer with a radiused fretboard and a pumpkin or black face top.  The flat fretboard is the only thing holding me back from a teen's or 20's H-1---I just can't see another $4-500 into an instrument that would have to be purchased at top dollar ($1600-1800 for the ones that sell, and that's all that has been bid on ones that don't meet reserve----I'd take that range as the upper limits of the H-1)

The only thing I don't like about the looks are the lumps on each side of the peghead above the tuners.  Lob those off and----bingo!!

Nick, it would be a wild guess as to sales numbers.  Who can tell, none of the bigger guys are making one.  Well, Weber has one close, with a horrendous D hole.  Maybe, take the figures for your #10 selling electric guitar, divide that by ten and figure on that being a five year projection??  That would probably still be high.  FYI, Eastman distributed 1510 mandolins amongst it's US dealers in 2008.  I have no break down as to models.

I would:

1. Offer it brown, pumpkin and black face.
2. Radius the fretboard.
3. Use a bone nut.
4. Use a good bridge, like the Cumberland Acoustics.
5. Have the manufacture send it to the US without strings.
6. Keep the cast tail piece.  So what, it's not an H-1 it's modern.
7. Give the peghead a lumpectomey.

I believe that Washburn could have a winner offering a member of the mandolin family that is currently only available through small builders.  That would set Washburn apart from the world of F5 takeoffs, that boat is quite full.

Just my humble and probably unusuall opinions.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 10:38:43 PM by gregjones »
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 10:40:50 PM »
Oh yeah, no distressing.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 11:02:58 PM »
Hey Greg,
Magoo had asked me to post this for your benefit, and this seems like a good thread to do it in.

This is David Grismans Mandola. Had the privilege of hearing him play it live last week.

Couple of interesting design features, huh?

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2009, 08:49:41 PM »
poor Greg! that's got to get your drooling. I wonder if that scroll makes the darn thing heavy? Very cool though and I bet it belts it out. Tio, how'd you get that close? Small venue?

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2009, 09:17:02 PM »
I work there.
I've gotten to personally handle some priceless instruments over the years... (very blessed is all, dumb luck)

a bit more info...link to the venue in my sig
http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16775


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« Last Edit: December 15, 2009, 09:17:31 PM by Tio Kimo »
http://www.oldtownschool.org/
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2009, 09:49:29 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by svgustin

poor Greg! that's got to get your drooling. I wonder if that scroll makes the darn thing heavy?


[:p][:p][:p][:p][:p]

That combined with a little talent would make me a 'dola player!!

Were it a mandolin, I would guess it to be a L&H A.  It's desired by classical players, the weight of the scroll in the head is supposedly a significant factor in it's tone.  It would be from before the very early 20's since the points are symmetrical.  Around '21, '22 something like that they dropped the point on the trebel side to make the asymmetrical shape we all know and love.

I lust after a B style.  About the same thing except it has a normal peg head.  Alas, the classical players have driven the price of those out of reach also.  Washburn had one close to it, the M7 but it's long gone.

But; this being a mandola, I don't know anything.[:)]

I still like the Washburn proto 'dola.[;)]
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2009, 10:12:30 PM »
quote:
I still like the Washburn proto 'dola.


Me to, but I don't like the head stock. and I could take or leave the color...sure would love to play her or at least hear her being played.
 

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2009, 06:08:29 PM »
Greg, You now have me wanting this kind of mandolin, your like of the two pointers and Kimo's pics of David Grisman's Mandola, has me Gassing
anyone have any clips of one being played?
 

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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2009, 08:57:51 PM »
I can't stand F models.. Hmm, what? Sorry.

Hey Nick, Here's a thought, send your 3 most dedicated Bluegrassers one of those Mandola's to test drive.. Greg, Magoo and I.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2009, 04:38:42 PM »
Proving that points are a disire and not a need is Orrin Star:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li2LqnPzwtA&feature=player_embedded


But, they are sure one hell of a desire.[:D][:D][:D]

So is talent.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2009, 08:22:58 PM »
hhahhahhahhahahahahahh....that was great Greg.....too funny. Hey, save your pennies and get yourself the points man. Anything less and you'll always be wanting eh? Is the mandola fret board bigger than a regular mandolin? my main problem at this point is getting my fingers to hit the right fret. I'm usually half off and it takes total concentration to find it just right. I know ...in time.....just my frustration button that's all.

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2009, 10:41:39 PM »
This is funny.

Thread So what's the difference? starts out with a question about B@nj0s and ends up discussing mandolas.  

Who says we don't suffer from ADD[?]

To answer the question in the overall scope of things is that a mandola has more harmonic resonance than a vacuum cleaner.

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2009, 11:06:53 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by gregjones

That's why I buy cheap mandos.

I suck and an Eastman is more mando than I'll ever need.  But, having bought it from Dennis at The Mandolin Store, it's set up as well as a mandolin can be and plays great.



You know Eastman has been getting some GREAT press lately, as one of the finest manufacturers there are for ALL kinds of stringed instruments.

The store at the School where Grisman played that 'dola carried Martin Larrivee Seagull Blueridge, on electric its Eastman, Fender, and the new Danalectros. The Eastmans are without exception GORGEOUS archtop electrics.

The Latest issue of Fretboard Journal just did an article on Eastman, and that rag usually only gives space to the highest quality builders. FWIW
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