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One piece neck worries (Face Eraser is warped)
« on: July 24, 2010, 06:37:04 AM »
I'm just wondering if Washburn does anything special to keep their 1-piece necks from warping or tilting?

I know USA Jackson uses Quarter sawn wood as opposed to Plain Sawn wood to make their one-piece necks extra sturdy so that they have much less of a chance of warping or tilting over time.

The reason I'm asking this is because I have a USA Natural Face Eraser on the way (in the mail) and I'm a bit worried it will have problems in the future with warping or tilting because of its mahogany 1-piece neck.

Why doesn't Washburn use 3-piece necks more on their higher end models? I for one would feel much better about buying an N4, a WM526 or even an X-series Pro if they were built with three piece necks.

I have a feeling I'm not the only one that feels this way about 1-piece necks.

Your answers will be much appreciated. [;)]

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 05:05:38 AM »
1-piece necks are fine if the specific piece of wood being used is a good one.  Qaurter-sawn wood is usually reliable.  3-piece necks, are in general, more expensive to produce.  I have heard resonant properties are changed, but of course this is disputable between opinions.  Hamer did it on all of their guitars, as did Kramer (USA models).  

I wouldn't be worried about a 1-piece neck if it came from a good custom shop, as they make sure a reliable piece of wood is being used.  However, imported guitars are another story.

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 07:19:50 PM »
I would think that any reputable guitar manufactuter would know what they are doing after all this time. It's those 50.00 import no-name guitars you have to watch out for.
 

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 01:46:55 PM »
I've had three Washburn steel string guitars with one piece necks.....never had a spot of trouble with any of them.

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 08:16:08 AM »
Thanks guys,

Your input is much appreciated.
 

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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 11:04:44 PM »
Well, I got the USA Face Eraser and it looks like I was right to be worried.

The only problem with this beautiful guitar is that it has a twist/warp in it's neck, its slightly twisted more on the low E side toward the right of the fretboard near the nut (See picture below). I can't for the life of me intonate it on 3 of the strings, I have it's saddles as far back as I can get them and its still sharp on 3 of the strings, this is a result of the twist/warp. I'll admit it is used and I don't know how good or bad it was treated before I got her but I can't help but feel this is partially Washburn's fault.

I took it to a 40 year experienced repair man & luthier the other day and He explained to me that this kind of warp usually has nothing to do with temperature changes and would happen regardless of how good it was treated over the years because this kind of warp is caused by the wood grain wanting to go back to the way it was when it was a tree and that Washburn obviously used a bad piece of wood for the neck of this guitar.


The warp is not as bad as the pic makes it out to be.

If I ever get a USA Custom Washy again I'm going to make sure its built with a solid 3 or 5-piece neck, I'm not taking any more chances. This is the second time I've had a one-piece USA Washy with a neck warp like this and it was also a Mahogany neck like the Face Eraser.

Its safe to say I'm pretty pissed off at both the seller and Washburn right now but don't get me wrong, its still a great guitar and it still plays great regardless of the warp but my confidence in Washburn's one-piece Mahogany neck guitars are gone forever, I wont get fooled again. I still love Washburn and I'm sure not all Washburn's one piece neck guitars warp like this but I still strongly suggest Washburn starts looking at building their Mahogany necks with 3 or more pieces to avoid possible warping in the future. Just my opinion.

The Story: I got my friend in Phoenix to buy the face eraser from some guy who was selling it on craig's list. the guy didn't want to ship to Canada so I got my friend in Phoenix to pick it up for me. My friend met the guy in some random place in Phoenix and bought the guitar for me (using my money) thinking it was mint (its mint besides the warp), unfortunately my friend didn't know what a warped neck looks like so it went undetected until it got here a week later. I knew it was warped the second I got it. I called the seller and he said he would send my money back and all. the guy stopped returning my calls and emails a week/half ago so I am assuming he decided to screw me over. I don't know exactly where he lives in Phoenix and neither does my friends so it seems I can't get legal on his @ss.

Always buy directly from the seller using paypal or some other secure paying method. Don't end up in my situation folks.

I presently have this guitar listed forsale at 500$ but I'm starting to think I want to keep it regardless of the warp since its such a great guitar. Don't quote me on that though.

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 12:19:33 AM »
What a bummer.  Did your luthier mention a truss rod adjustment?

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 12:28:51 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by brad22386

...its mint besides the warp...

For a set neck, that's a pretty big besides!
(My brother is healthy besides being decapitated.)

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 12:30:38 AM »
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Originally posted by darreno27

Did your luthier mention a truss rod adjustment?

WHAT???
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 12:41:31 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

quote:
Originally posted by brad22386

...its mint besides the warp...

For a set neck, that's a pretty big besides!
(My brother is healthy besides being decapitated.)



I ment every thing else is in good condition on the guitar but yeah, I hear you.

quote:
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What a bummer.  Did your luthier mention a truss rod adjustment?



Its a twist/warp not a simple bow or back bow, I wish a fix was as simple as a truss rod adjustment.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 04:27:55 AM »
I don't think you have cause to be annoyed at washburn about this!!!

you're partially to blame, it's the price we pay for buying guitars without trying them first, i've got one on the way, but if it arrives in a bad condition it's not washburn's fault!!

i don't know what kind of length of waranty washburn provide for this kind of defect, but the original owner would have been best off contacting them to find out if they could sort it!!!
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 05:10:17 AM »
looks like maybe 3-5 degrees of twist, commonly known as f**k-all.

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 09:29:36 AM »
Mahogany necks aren't quite as strong as maple when regarding one-piece construction, but again it shouldn't matter if the piece of wood used is a good one.  You think the custom shop would have caught it, but who knows what was up at that point.

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 11:30:55 AM »
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looks like maybe 3-5 degrees of twist, commonly known as f**k-all.



I can't intonate or tune the this thing properly for the life of me, its not f*ck all buddy..
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 11:39:13 AM »
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Originally posted by the_high_number

I don't think you have cause to be annoyed at washburn about this!!!

you're partially to blame, it's the price we pay for buying guitars without trying them first, i've got one on the way, but if it arrives in a bad condition it's not washburn's fault!!

i don't know what kind of length of waranty washburn provide for this kind of defect, but the original owner would have been best off contacting them to find out if they could sort it!!!



I took it to a 40 year experienced repair man & luthier the other day and He explained to me that this kind of warp usually has nothing to do with temperature changes and would happen regardless of how good it was treated over the years because this kind of warp is caused by the wood grain wanting to go back to the way it was when it was a tree and that Washburn obviously used a bad piece of wood for the neck of this guitar.