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Offline Sir_Palomid

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WI66 Pro pickup and pots replacement?
« on: October 14, 2010, 10:52:38 AM »
Hi, everybody!

I decided to change pickups on my lovely Washburn WI66 Pro from Seymours to Bareknuckles (Cold Sweat\\Painkiller combo), and also change volume\\VCC pots, and wiring to standard one (volume-tone controls).
But I have some questions:

On Bareknuckle's site there is two options for pickup baseplate leg length, short (1/4) and long (1/2), which one should I choose for WI66?

Also, I see two option for CTS 500K Audio Taper - short shaft ( 3/8 ), and long shaft ( 3/4 ). So which one of them should I use?

Thanks for replies!

My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Gold Lace Sensors
- Washburn J12S
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2010, 09:28:01 AM »
Palomid,
Man, I saw this and made a note to share info, and COMPLETELY forgot about it.

The VCC pots are 3/4 stem, and I replaced mine with the same(CTS 500k). Works perfectly, sounds awesome.

As for the p'ups, Duncan only uses one dimension for the '59 (below), and thats a .550 leg.



Cheers. Let us know how it sounds.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 03:29:18 PM »
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Originally posted by Tio Kimo

Palomid,
Man, I saw this and made a note to share info, and COMPLETELY forgot about it.

The VCC pots are 3/4 stem, and I replaced mine with the same(CTS 500k). Works perfectly, sounds awesome.

As for the p'ups, Duncan only uses one dimension for the '59 (below), and thats a .550 leg.


Cheers. Let us know how it sounds.





Thanks, man!
I removed the strings, and pots and did some measurements myself,
so cavities are suitable for 1/2 leg, and pots - size of threadened shaft is 9.5 mm, using metric system, which turns to 0.37, so 3/4 pots are too long, and standard length (not short 1/4) will be OK.
My Washburn is 2009 Indonesian-made one, just for notice.


Package is on the way, I've ordered switch, jack, and capacitors too ... waiting to try my upgraded beast, but it won't be too soon... I'll post the review ASAP.

Peace!


My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (upgrades are on the way!)
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2010, 06:45:12 AM »
Hi everybody!

I've received and installed pickups, pots and input jack at Friday,
and tested this new rig at the studio - wow, I'm pretty amazed!

Sound became more open, not fight me, I'm behind the amp, and I love that now I have tone controls and coil split at the same time :)
Now CTS 500K volume pots are nice - volume decreases slightly when you roll the knob, which I prefer instead of previous nothing or all :)

As for pickups - they are awesome! I play progressive\\fusion rock with some metal influences.

Cold Sweat at the neck position gives me less vintage, more bright but fluid sound, also good for riffs and excellent for lead work.
When you roll volume and tone down you can achieve some nice bluesy\\jazzy sound with vintage taste.

Nailbomb at the bridge - very organic, balanced and aggressive in a good way, with nice roar and without nasal mids, that Custom Custom has. Plenty of bass, well defined and controlled, and cutting treble, without being too harsh. Rolling volume down - and you have nice hard rock crunch.

About installation itself - pots holes are too narrow, so we had to drill to the new radius. 3-way Switchcraft switch doesn't fit also, so I left old switch. No problems with jack, though :)
Why not to use standard dimensions for pots\\switch? I dunno.

So, if you want to upgrade your pickups - don't hesitate to buy new pots and jack, and rewire it to standard volume\\tone combination (maybe with push-pull coil split, which I did).

My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2010, 07:47:41 AM »
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Originally posted by Sir_PalomidWhy not to use standard dimensions for pots\\switch?


Because there's no such thing as 'standard'. There are a couple of common sizes, i.e. Imperial (3/8 I think) and Metric (9mm usually) for pots but nobody really is in a position to define what 'standard' is.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2010, 07:00:48 PM »
First of all, hallo to you all from a new member.

If possible i would like to be pointed out at the exact kit (or separate elements) to perform rewiring on my wi66prof (without any need to drill something in the guitar body :)); it would be great to have some links to stores that do ship internationally (e-bay would be perfect since not all stores do ship to Croatia).  

I tried to like VCC but it simply isn't for me and original volume pots leave a lot to be desired.

Thank you all in advance.

p.s.
i never done anything like that so i'm far from experienced in this area :(
« Last Edit: November 02, 2010, 07:02:16 PM by kiklop »
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 08:05:38 AM »
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Originally posted by ncmreynolds

quote:
Originally posted by Sir_PalomidWhy not to use standard dimensions for pots\\switch?


Because there's no such thing as 'standard'. There are a couple of common sizes, i.e. Imperial (3/8 I think) and Metric (9mm usually) for pots but nobody really is in a position to define what 'standard' is.



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I've meant standard radius - I know that there is difference in shaft length, but radius is the same in CTS and other pot's brands, so why Washburn don't use that dimensions? My tech came through a lot of guitar repairs, and before he never saw a guitar, which don't fit standard pot's and switch radius.

My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2010, 08:14:25 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by kiklop

First of all, hallo to you all from a new member.

If possible i would like to be pointed out at the exact kit (or separate elements) to perform rewiring on my wi66prof (without any need to drill something in the guitar body :)); it would be great to have some links to stores that do ship internationally (e-bay would be perfect since not all stores do ship to Croatia).  

I tried to like VCC but it simply isn't for me and original volume pots leave a lot to be desired.

Thank you all in advance.

p.s.
i never done anything like that so i'm far from experienced in this area :(


Hello, kiklop, and welcome to the forums!

As far as I know, you need to drill the holes anyway, so I suggest you to find local guitar tech that will help you with that.

Pot's that will fit you guitar must have 9.5 mm long threaded shaft (which turns to 3/8 in Imperial system). CTS 500K pots are fine, also push-pull, or push-push options are available.
Jack is standard though.

I've ordered all the parts at www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk directly.
 
Still looking for appropriate switch...

My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2010, 09:43:53 AM »
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Originally posted by Sir_Palomid
As far as I know, you need to drill the holes anyway, so I suggest you to find local guitar tech that will help you with that.

Understood.
quote:
Originally posted by Sir_Palomid
Pot's that will fit you guitar must have 9.5 mm long threaded shaft (which turns to 3/8 in Imperial system). CTS 500K pots are fine, also push-pull, or push-push options are available.
Jack is standard though.

Thank you !
Would these be ok for the purpose?
http://cgi.ebay.com/CTS-Matched-500K-Gibson-Epiphone-LP-ES-SG-Pot-Kit-/120642416916?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c16d93114

ATM i'm not interested in complicating things with push-pull pots; i just want a simple two independent volume and tone controls.

Thank you !
 

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 04:57:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Sir_Palomid
Pot's that will fit you guitar must have 9.5 mm long threaded shaft (which turns to 3/8 in Imperial system). CTS 500K pots are fine, also push-pull, or push-push options are available.
Jack is standard though.

Thank you !
Would these be ok for the purpose?
http://cgi.ebay.com/CTS-Matched-500K-Gibson-Epiphone-LP-ES-SG-Pot-Kit-/120642416916?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1c16d93114

ATM i'm not interested in complicating things with push-pull pots; i just want a simple two independent volume and tone controls.

Thank you !

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I've ordered those pots
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_54&products_id=148
Fits nicely in terms of height (9.5mm shaft). Same pots (CTS) separately -  much cheaper, than kit you've mentioned. Also shipping from UK to Croatia (12 GBP) must be cheaper than from USA.

Also, if you order from BKP, I suggest you to buy this jack
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_58&products_id=153
It's tight, and also would not unscrew, after you plug-unplug cable often.

And don't forget - you will need 2 capacitors also.
I installed 0.022 paper-in-oil capacitors, but it's matter of taste, you may go ceramic or paper-in-oil, and what capacitance.  

Best regards.

My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )
« Last Edit: November 05, 2010, 05:07:32 AM by Sir_Palomid »
My axes:

- Martin DX1r with LR Baggs M1 Active pickup
- Yamaha LL16
- Fender 50th Anniversary Strat Plus with Kinman Woodstocks Plus Set and K9 harness
- Washburn WI66 Pro (with Bareknuckle Cold Sweat(neck)\\Nailbomb(bridge) and without crappy VCC =) )

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Re: WI66 Pro pickup and pots replacement?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 09:14:43 AM »
Hi,

If anyone is still reading this post then here are a list of parts available in the U.K for direct replacement for the Washburn WI66 Pro without needing to make the holes in the body of the guitar any bigger.

I will also include a wiring diagram to give you:-
1 x neck pickup volume with push pull coil tap
1 x bridge pickup volume with push pull coil tap
1 x neck pickup tone with push pull in / out of phase
1 x bridge pickup tone with push pull series / parallel

This will give you any combination you desire similar to the Gibson Les Paul Jimmy Page for around £40.00 ( at todays prices ).

4 x 500k Audio Taper ( Log A ) Alpha Push / Pull Pots ( 2 for tone and 2 for volume )
http://www.axesrus.co.uk/Medium-Shaft-PushPull-Alpha-Pots-p/medpushpullalpha.htm

2 x Sprague Film and Foil Caps 0.022 @ 200v ( for the tone pots )
http://www.axesrus.co.uk/2-x-Sprague-Film-and-Foil-Caps-p/sprafilmfoil-0022-200v.htm
OR
2 x Sprague Orange Drops 0.022 @ 200v ( for the tone pots )
http://www.axesrus.co.uk/2-x-Sprague-Orange-Drops-p/m0.htm

1 x Switchcraft Mono Jack Socket
http://www.axesrus.co.uk/Switchcraft-Mono-Jack-Socket-p/switchcraftsocket.htm

Pot wire 60" Cloth and Wax wire, Insulated, Cable, in a Yellow and Black sleeve
http://www.axesrus.co.uk/Pot-wire-60-Cloth-and-Wax-wire-Insulated-Cable-p/clothwax-yw-bk.htm

Here is the wiring diagram :-



Hope that helps someone.