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Offline pwsusi

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'91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« on: February 03, 2014, 07:37:39 AM »
I recently posted some photos in another thread of a '91 N4 I'm considering selling.
https://plus.google.com/photos/100519304535299549701/albums/5973744059758995169?authkey=CIqggaGJlrTwYg


If you look at the pictures at first glance you will say it is not a Davies N4 as it does not have many of characteristics of a Davies N4 (i.e. output jack, bridge and back cavity). In addition to this guitar I also have another '91 that is in fact a Davies N4. I was comparing the two guitars and noticed something interesting; both have a sloped Stephen's Extended Cutaway which is one of the characteristics of a Davies N4. Here are the two for comparison

'91 "non Davies"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A26Lm2-Pv_M/Uu-Gyra225I/AAAAAAAADL0/tdQHhROic_c/w775-h581-no/IMG_20140203_070704.jpg

'91 Davies
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pcuJcDYtX1M/Uu-LXaOR0DI/AAAAAAAADMI/u1CkIujVL7g/w775-h581-no/IMG_20140203_072445.jpg

For comparison I also took a photo of my '93 Paduak which is much flatter, and what i expected a non-davies would have..

'93 Paduak
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HiWk_N_0rMo/Uu-LU7EKwoI/AAAAAAAADMA/Sc5k3PG9sDI/w775-h581-no/IMG_20140203_072534.jpg

So, I'm thinking the '91 "non Davies" i'm considering selling is somewhat of a hybrid. While not a true Davies, I'm guessing it was made at a transitional time and some of the Davies characteristics carried over, while others didn't . This is just speculation on my part.

N4 experts, what do you think? I'm hoping this increases the value somewhat  ;)

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: '91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 11:00:08 PM »
Man, that's interesting.  I think you're right about this being a transitional model.  I've heard of them over the years but never really saw one. 

I'm interested in your full-on Davies.  I'm trying to figure out why some have the year at the end of the serial #.  I have two, both made in July 91 and both have all the Davies attributes but the year is at the beginning of the code.  Is 91 at the beginning or the end of your #?

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Re: '91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 05:55:14 AM »
My Davies has a shorter serial number and has the year (91) at the end. The other one (partial davies?) has the longer serial number with the year (91) at the beginning. I don't believe the month of production is part of the shorter serial number, so i'm not sure exactly when in 1991 it was built. I'm assuming prior to July. The other guitar clearly has December build in the serial number, which i suspect was a transitional model.

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Re: '91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 08:22:57 PM »
Your guitar has me puzzled.  As you stated, it doesn't have a lot of the "Davies" attributes (i.e. barrel jack, different back plates, etc) but it obviously was made at the end of 1991.  However, here are pics (from the N4 Forum by Funky Munky) of a 1992 that has the attributes.  Why would a later model look more like a "Davies" than an actual 1991?  I'm confused. 

http://www.armleg.com/funkymunkymusic/viewtopic.php?t=283&start=0&mforum=funkymunkymusic

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Re: '91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 06:37:38 AM »
According to wikipedia "Starting from July '91, some bodies were also produced in Lahoya (California), while necks were produced in a cabinet factory in Chicago. Those parts were then sent to either Washburn or Stephen Davies for assembly. ". My guess is that this '92 was made during that transitional time, and this was one that was sent to Davies for assembly. Perhaps mine (which is a little older...late '91) was sent to Washburn for assembly. I'm thinking though both are transitional guitars. At least that's my best guess.

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Re: '91 N4 - Partial Davies?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2014, 09:32:14 PM »
Interesting.  Than maybe this is one way to tell who put the transitional models together.  If it looks like yours it was assembled in Chicago, if it has the "Davies" attributes than it was assembled in Seattle.