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Offline Tony Raven

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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2016, 11:42:03 AM »
Okay, activity has continued to decline here. It's happening at most of the gear sites I read. I figure that people want to spectate or snag data, but ever-few want to put any WORK into the Net (without a billion-dollar funding round for their killer app).

Clearly, though, there's demand. When I started looking into the Mavericks three years ago, they were all over the place, & often cheap. Looks like word's got out (finally) that they're good guitars.

Some potential collectibility here, too, & not just high-number BTs. Today, I spotted a green BT-2, an ivory flake BT-5, & a red BT-3 badged only "Billy T" (changed to "Maverick" for 1997 catalogue, no BT-3 in 1996).

Here's the big rarity thus far: a "Billy T," clearly a BT-3 style (the only Mav model with a pickplate) but h-s-s (a 623, fwiw)... but a maple fretboard!! (I'd call it an outright BT-9, but didn't they have a pearloid pickplate?  ???)



Well, in any case, a pretty axe.
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2016, 11:52:41 AM »
Pulling together a little info on the rumoured BT-500, which as it turns out actually DID exist. Per a 2012 thread here, Customer Service said:
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It was a special run we did in late 2009, affectionately called the “boneyard” series.  It was also listed as the “2010 Underground” series.  List price was $1,499.90.

The model technically is a BT500MVWH

It was essentially us constructing a variety of US custom shop guitars utilize what amounts to the remaining stock on parts and bodies we had accumulated over the previous few years.  The company was sold in 2010 and this series was done to liquidate some parts and bodies we had left, while still providing a superior instrument constructed in the US custom shop from top quality materials.

Neck Pickup: Seymour Duncan ST5S5N
Brtidge pickup: Seymour Duncan JB
A year ago, this one sold for $450 + $50.

There's at least two more floating around, & two in black. I passed up a white at GuitarCenter.com last month.
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2016, 12:27:53 PM »
    I'm inching closer to a full analysis of known Maverick / Billy T / BT models. Today's effort was a survey of The Usual Suspects (eBay, GC, MGR, Reverb) & elimination of any overlap.

    16 -- BT-2
    1 --- BT-2Q
    6 --- BT-3
    10 -- BT-4
    4 --- BT-4Q
    1 --- BT-4Q-LH
    3 --- BT-5
    0 --- BT-6 a
    2 --- BT-6 b
    4 --- BT-8
    0 --- BT-9
    1 --- BT-10
    0 --- BT-20
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    • The BT-2 is just a good inexpensive guitar, & the only "collectible" part ever will be odd colors (like the greenie) or badging, or quality upgrades. (You could sell the parts on eBay for $100 or more. A loaded BT-4 body (blue) recently sold for $60 + $20; I've sold a beat-up neck for $40, & that'd still leave you the Grovers.)
    • Much the same for the BT-4, though if you spot a quiltie for cheap, you might get a decent resale because it's pretty -- would someone PLEASE open up their 4Q & tell us how thick the maple is?? ::)
    • The BT-3 is by no means rare, though be aware that black is common & red's easy to find. The ivory looks nice. The only recent CSB sold last month on eBay; I haven't yet seen the Tiffany Blue (1998 only).
    • After that, the list thins rapidly. I haven't yet spotted a first-type BT-6 (black hardware).
    • No surprise that the BT-5 is unusual: it only shows up in the official launch year, 1996.
    • Meanwhile, the BT-8 was sold 1996-1999, yet there's more about than the cheaper 5 & 6. I get the feeling the 5 was a gig axe (or higher-end beginner) & the 8 a "collectible" because it's all so pretty, so the played guitars are still being played.
    • The BT-9 does confuse me: alder body (almost all BTs are mahogany), made the same years as the BT-3, $50 cheaper than the BT-8, yet difficult to find. Seems like it should be much more common, which tends to drive valuation down. If the series becomes belatedly popular, this might be the prize.
    • The 10 & 20? Surprisingly, not much demand, & the few that appear are usually severely price-inflated -- BlueBook actually sets the BT-10 at $25 less than the BT-8. ???
    Speaking of That Book: for the BT-2 through -10 family, they've set value at something like so, from high to low:
    • BT-8
    • BT-9 -10 (tied)
    • {big gap}
    • BT-6
    • BT-2Q -4Q -4QLH (tied)
    • BT-3
    • BT-2 -4 (tied)
    • BT-M
    The bad news: the prices are ALL depressed. In well-played playable shape with no major damage but a few small chips showing wood (or ~80% condition), the BT-M might be worth $100; the BT-8, $325.

    The good news: lack of demand means that you can readily find an excellent workhorse Gibson-scale axe at a great price.
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2016, 07:03:05 PM »
Well I found a BT-9 and now only need a 5 to have my collection consisting of:
BT: 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10 and WM 100 and 200.
Decided against the BT 20 but I suppose if I run across a cheap one I'll snatch it.  ;)

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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2016, 07:05:14 PM »
BTW Tony-

Are you on the FB Washburn page that was just started not too long ago?

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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2016, 08:20:58 PM »
Nope -- not yet on Facebook, & the only Washburn page I know of is the company's. ??? But I'm willing to check it out.
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2016, 01:59:37 PM »
See what happens when I resolve to stick to my budget??  >:( A red BT-8 in 90%+ condition --



https://reverb.com/item/1683630-washburn-bt8-red-maple

Asking $215 + reasonable s/h ($33 to me)... but willing to entertain offers of less. :o
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2016, 11:27:52 PM »
More mutants sighted. :o

One of the few BT-9 I've seen on the market -- the only maple-fretboard model. This one sold for $420 -- with MSRP $699, that's an amazing valuation even if the guitar's in pristine condition.


At first glance, this one's just another BT-3.

Then you notice the headstock.


I'm especially curious, because the "Billy T" part was retired after 1996, the BT-3 first appeared 1997, & how the heck did the Bantam series get mixed up in all this? :o
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2016, 05:31:51 PM »
Last week (as detailed elsewhere), I received a JB-80 "Jennifer Batten."

It took a couple of days to sink in, but I'd now contend that the three JB models are part of the Maverick line, halfway between the BT & the WM.
  • same body shape
  • controls layout almost identical to the BT-6
  • bolt-on neck
  • rectangular headstock
  • centered fretboard dots
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2016, 11:24:51 AM »
If only for the sake of completeness...

Here's a Lyon version of the BT-2, right down to the offset dots.

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Lyon-by-Washburn-Electric-Guitar-for-Parts-29713559.html

With 5.5 days to go, it's up to $25 plus $41 s/h -- the fullsize hard case is a definite sweetener.

Goodwill.com is a hoot. Some truly rare guitars show up, cleared out of Grandma's attic all across the nation, but often fetching prices 50% higher than what they'd get on eBay. Right now, there's a BT-2Q up to $45 + $25, 4.5 days to go; I expect it to get $100+, based on a black WI-64 that just topped $150 + $15.
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2016, 05:07:16 AM »
I just bought a BT-3 that was made in Indonesia.  The body is noticeably smaller than the BT-4....(about 96% the size of a BT-4)  Anyone know if the size difference is common to all BT-3s or just the Indonesia built ones?
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2016, 01:07:26 PM »
I've found nothing definitive on the body-size issue. You could ask Customer Service, or maybe do a poll of the BT fans here & collect measurement & serial number data -- me, I'm too lazy.  ;)
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A little shopping before chores...

At GuitarCenter.com, three Mavs & a Billy, NONE tagged as BT -- shop wisely, y'all -- in the $85-$100 range. :o

For you hardcores, the fourth is what I can only guess to be a one-knob BT-5: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Washburn/Billy-T-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-112122545.gc Same model, different site --


Over at MusicGoRound.com, a turquoise flake BT-5, $150 + $50. They're also flogging a blue BT-2 at a goofy $130+$50, & are clueless enough to trumpet this as a "Price Reduction."

A few Mavs at Reverb. Another turquoise, $200 + $25 OBO. The BT-3 was only offered 1997-1998, & the contagious CSB just '98, so I'm inclined to forgive the seller for asking $175 (OBO) + $55. Is he correct about the "maple body" bit, or just talking about the top? And is that a veneer or film?

Though $120+$36 is a little high for a BT-2, another seller's probably tiring of it hanging around so make an offer -- especially if that case is part of the deal. He can be forgiven for saying the guitar's 2005 or newer. :o

Over on eBay, not much but a decent-looking BT-2Q in need of TLC, & some "wtf?" tuners too, $100 delivered.
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Per an older discussion, the Cherry Sunburst slapped onto so many BT-2 can vary wildly. I could probably start a gallery of the whole eye-killing spectrum, but here's two that'll give an idea.




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« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2016, 01:14:35 PM »
FWIW, the JB models really do look to fit between BT & WM.


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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2016, 11:52:27 PM »
I spotted a red "Billy T" BT-3. While maybe these early versions will have an enhanced collectibility valuation, there's one significant lack --


no Grovers.  :'(
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Re: the BT/Maverick line
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2016, 10:28:34 PM »
Currently available, $220 delivered, with OHSC. Sure looks like an early BT-10 to me but I'm open to suggestions.



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