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D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« on: November 12, 2015, 05:14:10 PM »
Just bought a new old guitar off an internet board  :)
Stamped inside as D-30-SN
Serial #92326 on the headstock and 184 on the upper bracing.
Is it from 1989 or 1992? Anybody here who knows where an when she was made?

It fits to the description of a D-30 S (Second Version), with solid cedar top and bird's eye maple back & sides. Looks in detail like the ones from tio kimo and bikerdave here on this forum, except the MIJ sticker..http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,18010.msg119560.html#msg119560
She has some marks all around, worst are on the top. Nothing structural though.
Intonation is a bit off. Nut and saddle (bone) will need some fixing by a luthier.

The sound is mellow and dark, but with a lot of sparkle and attack.
The colors of the woods are really, really nicely darkened by age. It is made of honey  :D
*The striped cedar grain on the top is amazing*

Hope you enjoy!
Any hints and comments welcome.





« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 05:41:07 PM by MapleFlix »
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2015, 08:10:12 PM »
Wow...simply wow...beautiful! It has been a long time since I bought a guitar with a spruce top, I prefer cedar or redwood. Truly, the top on yours is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen!!!

Cheers!!!

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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 04:04:18 PM »
Hello Dugly,
I found the picture of your D-61 SW 's rosette here:
http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,15346.msg100341.html#msg100341

My D-30-SN has a similar fine, only wood inlay:


Grain and inlay shining through the pickguard:
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 05:42:28 PM by MapleFlix »
My Washburns: D-20SN (1988) - D-30SN (1989) - D-61SW12 (1989) - D-66SW (1979)
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 12:02:45 PM »
its from 1979 first version made in Yamaki factory in Japan the second version was a jumbo and yours has the dread shape
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2015, 12:54:57 PM »
That explains the rosette matching the one on my D61SW,,,another Yamaki build.

When you say "Jumbo", you mean a "Southern Jumbo"...a slope shouldered dread size guitar, right?

Thanks, Ship!

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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2015, 05:13:25 PM »
Hey thanks ship!  :)  :D
Hearing that it's 9 years older (i thought 1988 or 92) and really a Yamaki, Japan built gave me a nice rush of exitement.
I already had a suspect when I saw the resemblance of the neck transition with some of the higher Yamaki builts here on the forum. It's edgier than on my 1988 D-20-SN:



I start to get worried though about the intonation problems I have. I read somewhere about neck problems and that It can happen that the neck block doesn't touch the back anymore. On mine there is a gap:



Any ideas if this is ok?
Well, probably it's time to carry it to the luthier and get a solid estimate.. The bridge will also need a check:



Talking about the shape of this guitar, I can only say i feel it's still a slope shoulder dread, but more sloped than my D-20-SN. Definitely Gibson style.

It also obviously a cleaner, better built quality than my D-20. namely the frets and fretboard quality, much less glue remainings inside, the finish is applied more carefully (thinner?) as there is not this glueish transition from neck to body that find on cheaper ones:



There's also a soundboard transducer installed, but I didn't check if it's functional: (Barcus Berry?)



Inlay at the tail:


Sorry for going over the top, I hope someones still interested :-D
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 05:38:10 PM by MapleFlix »
My Washburns: D-20SN (1988) - D-30SN (1989) - D-61SW12 (1989) - D-66SW (1979)
Other: Alhambra A4 Steelstring (2015) - Epiphone Sheraton (1988) - Walden CG 2010 (~2010) - Epiphone MM-30s Mandolin (~1990)
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2015, 11:52:32 PM »
That little pyramid shaped section on the back of the head/neck junction is called a "volute". It is a very useful tool for positioning the hand correctly on the neck when playing at the first position...and also feeling when the hand is positioned correctly when returning there, too. Yamaki built Washburns are some of my faves!

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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 12:09:12 AM »
Is that an Epiphone "Dot" in the "Maple Family" photo in your album?
If so... I own one, too...did not like the pickguard so I removed it, then had it fitted with a bone nut and all the pots and caps swapped out for the best quality Gibson parts. Now it plays and sounds like a friend's Gibson ES335...when I play it, which is only about once a year...

I looked at one of their "Elitist" line Dots, but it was way over my budget considering how seldom I pick up an electric guitar.

I tried to sell it and had lots of Looky-Lou's, but no takers. It has a very mellow sound, but I find that I prefer the gutsy, growling tone of my cheap solid-body Epiphone LP knock-off better.

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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 02:19:08 PM »
Thanks Dugly!
Here's 2 pictures that show the different neck/head transition. Both have a diamond volute.
First the D-30-SN with edges on the side:


And my D-20-S with a rounded transition:
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(Tuners on D-20 are not original)

I saw the edgy version on some guitars that were identified as yamaki on this forum. Anybody knows the history on this?

On the other hand, I was wondering if the D-30 can be from 1979 with those tuners.
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 02:27:30 PM »
Is that an Epiphone "Dot" in the "Maple Family" photo in your album?

It's an Epiphone Sheraton II, from 1988 I think. I don't play it anymore, it's very heavy and I'm not interested in playing electric at the moment. A nice guitar though, but it would need a good setup finally.
My Washburns: D-20SN (1988) - D-30SN (1989) - D-61SW12 (1989) - D-66SW (1979)
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 06:00:10 PM »
Hey  :)
I'm coming back to the production year. Somehow I’m not sure with 1979.  :-\

I scrolled through a lot of photos. Look at those washburn branded chrome tuners, to me they are not late 70’s but I might be wrong also.
What I found on the forum:

D30 S (SECOND VERSION)
- Southern Jumbo style, solid cedar top, round soundhole, tortoise pickguard, bound body, three-stripe purfling, five-stripe rosette, bird´s-eye maple back/sides, mahogany neck, 14/20-fret rosewood fingerboard with pearl dot inlay, rosewood bridge with pearl dot white pins and bone saddle, bird´s-eye maple peghead veneer, three-per-side chrome diecast tuners, available in Natural finish, mfg. 1985-1994.
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Last MSR was $750.

In Jim Smith’s collection there’s this D-30 S (second version) which looks exactly like mine:
http://www.vintagewashburn.com/Acoustic/Jim%20Smith%20photos/Page%202/Washburn%20D-30%20S%20%7B2nd.%20version%7D.jpg


Mine surely doesn’t match with this D-30 S (First version, Dreadnought, 1977-1981):



I also compared my guitar to this one from BIKERDAVE:
http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/board,8.0.html
I couldn’t find any difference!

Or did I miss something?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2017, 02:29:31 PM by MapleFlix »
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2015, 02:28:08 PM »
Yours certainly does not have the square shoulders commonly associated with dreads...washburn's "Southern Jumbo" is a slope-shouldered dread. Yours certainly has the V-head as shown on the second version...not the Martin-style head shown on the first version.

Ship is very knowledgable about the Washburn vintage items, so I hope he will correct me if I'm wrong, but I usually associate the Martin-style head with Beckman products.

I would not put too much stock in the tuners...many musicians change out for upgrades on that item.

Whichever it is...it's definitely a keeper and compliments the others in your collection!!

Cheers!!

Dusky 8)
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2016, 04:23:40 PM »
I found this today, for the detail interested, a funny mix of styles:
https://reverb.com/item/2533930-washburn-d-30-s-1991-spruce-birdseye#&gid=1&pid=1
Washburn D-30 S (said from 1991), it looks like the known "base" model like mine (& bikerdave's) D-30 SN, with the following differences:
- Snowflake inlays on fingerboard (we have silver dots)
- Headstock veneers is Rosewood (we have birdseye maple)
- Heelcap cream coloured with "W" logo (we have dark wood)
- Rosette is b/w plastic (we have wood stripes)
- Pickguard looks like the one on my D-20 S (we have unicolour with transparency)
- Rounded Headstock/Neck transition, not the edgy type as on mine
- To me, the top looks more like Spruce, but not sure (we have Cedar)
Most striking I found this:
- Headstock inlay "Washburn" & a similar symbol as on 80s SW models (we have only golden print logo)
My Washburns: D-20SN (1988) - D-30SN (1989) - D-61SW12 (1989) - D-66SW (1979)
Other: Alhambra A4 Steelstring (2015) - Epiphone Sheraton (1988) - Walden CG 2010 (~2010) - Epiphone MM-30s Mandolin (~1990)
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 11:14:14 AM »
It is possible that I might have been wrong but you have to remember that the Yamaki builds only lasted for s it the old slot ao long before they moved from Japan and because of the obvious Yamaki features well it has to have been built and also the size.
As for your intonation problem well it could be a fairly simple fix believe it or not by having the saddle re-positioned ( filling in old slot and having a new one cut at the right angle ) with a new saddle made I doubt that little gap with effect the intonation. ship
The move from Japan to Korea was done in the mid 80's and they did not do the Voloutes
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Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 02:00:40 AM »
Hi all!
Here is a recording that I recently made with this guitar:
https://soundcloud.com/tonflix/arc-et-senans-john-renbourn-cover
Enjoy!

Be aware that processing has been applied to the recording.
My Washburns: D-20SN (1988) - D-30SN (1989) - D-61SW12 (1989) - D-66SW (1979)
Other: Alhambra A4 Steelstring (2015) - Epiphone Sheraton (1988) - Walden CG 2010 (~2010) - Epiphone MM-30s Mandolin (~1990)
Music: soundcloud.com/tonflix