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'04 NV100C Review : The Plot Thickens
« on: July 23, 2006, 12:15:25 PM »
I've moved this response to jimsmithsr's question posed a few days ago from its original spot posted 7/21 in the 'Tascam Digital Recorder' thread, because'upon further review', I've edited it (re-written it)perhaps to pose my own questions of the real Washburn Mavens, or Stacy at Wash Cust. Svc. who might help me confirm suspicions about her specs (not they really matter, in the end, as my review will bear out):
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How do you like your NV 100C ?  I'm thinking about buying one.

Yo, jim,[:D]
It's not your typical classical or a/e classical, that's for sure. That would be more the Wash C64SCE or C104SCE, or an Oscar Schmidt/Wash OC11CE..which I had & traded in toward this.

The NV100C is one of those Wash's that seems to change specifications every year or so. (the EA20SDL, for instance, changed to quilted maple back/sides a couple of years ago)
Mine's an '04 that must be one of those famous  'old new stock' pieces, cuz Wash dragged it out to this year's Winter NAMM for their display. (my dealer buys a whole bunch of that display at special pricing every year for about past 10 years) and I just bought it as new March. Before y'all ask, there's no indications that this is a 'B-Stock' or Factory Second. The s/n decal has 'Made In Korea' as part of it, and it matches the label inside (04111137).

If you look at the current website, 2006 catalog,or the 2005 catalog you won't see this dark mahogany finished back:


It is what it is: a really well-designed, well-built, beautifully finished plug n' play recording or stage nylon string guitar. I thought it had a laminated spruce top, and a thick lam mahogany back & sides, because the '06 catalog & price list don't specify solid woods as they otherwise do. Yet, the 2005 catalog & price list specify solid spruce top and solid mahogany body. The '05 and '06 documents also say it's got the Buzz Feiten tuning system. Mine doesn't have the BFTS logo, but it's got a compensated saddle, so maybe it's got the Buzz Aldrin Tuning System[?] I don't really care. But since it seems to be an '04, and the archives section at the Wash site leaves a gap from 2000-2004, I took the ol' dental mirror to the insides, with a flashlight, and I'll be darned if it's not all solid woods; grains match inside & out, as far as I can tell, but I'm no wood expert.

Anyway, all of that stuff is kinda moot. What I really dig are the design points that make it comfortable to play easily for an electric/thin necked acoustic player. Narrow nut, thin neck profile,ebony fingerboard, thin body and check out the photo on the right for the contour on the back at the heel and the 'strat' one on the upper bout. Oh...ya get both strap buttons on this, too.
She 'fits' like an electric, cuz that's mainly what she is, meant to played standing.

The bolt-on, adjustable neck angle system is a cool feature; I don't know if I'll ever mess with it, but it's cool anyway.
 
Oddly, while it looks like a Jumbo style body from the front, at least in shape, but it's more of a mini-jumbo, since it fits in a standard-size classical git case, the same one I had for the little Schmidt. But that wide bod is part of the good design that helps it sound great.

In the front view pic, another design element that gives her bigger sound is notice the bridge is a 'Tacoma-style' cut, with the wide bass end picking up more top vibes for the low end and vice-versa with the treble end. It actually does sound much warmer and louder than you'd expect unplugged. This quality, and that she's gotten more 'character' as she's logged a bunch of miles in 4 months, lead me to really think she's all solid woods. The B-Band A3.2 preamp with UST is about the best thing Wash has done the past couple of years for their A/E's plugged in sound.

Like I said: it is what it is, but what it is is what you gotta be expecting. I wasn't expecting a 'classical guitar', since I'd A-B'd this to the Yamaha and Ibanez a/e models with narrower nut widths my dealer also had in stock at the time. But even with their more 'conventional' bodies vs. the NV-100C's thick-backed, kinda semi-solid body, they sounded dull & no louder than this babe unplugged.

So, jim, and all, I'm not really sure what the heck I've got here, other than an accidentally marvelous Washburn? I doubt if I'll ever give her up (willingly).


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'04 NV100C
'05 WI66PROG
'05 M6SW Jethro Burns
'05 B16
'04 Oscar Schmidt OU3

& The Others:

'70 Guild D-40NT
'99 Ovation Celebrity Deluxe CS-257
'05 Tacoma JK28C
'96 Yamaha FG411CE-12
'04 Seagull/Godin SA-12
'82 Rick 360/12BWB
'81 Fender The Strat
'01 Epi Sheraton II
'02 G&L ASAT Semi-Hollow
'78 Fender Musicmaster Bass
'91 Fender JP-90 Bass
'57 Fender Studio Pro Lap Steel
'46 Rickenbacher Model B Lap Steel
« Last Edit: July 26, 2006, 10:45:41 PM by wingsdad »
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2006, 10:22:05 PM »
Way cool.louis[8D][8D]

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 10:42:31 PM »
Well, this must be really boring [:I], but just the same,  I hope Deacon's well enough and not hurting from PT so he can compare his '04 NV100C to mine...or any of the various catalog or online descritpions of it.

While waiting for days, I finally emailed Wash Customer Service, trying to find out whether I've got some kind of oddball '04 NV100C here and wouldn't ya know it: came home tonite to an informative reply from none other than good ol' Stacy P, and the plot thickens:

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Attached is the page from the 2003-2004 Washburn catalog.  It states it has the BF tuning system, but does not state solid woods anywhere.  

Unfortunately, specs changed in mid 2004 and the buzz feiten tuning system was dropped from all import acoustic guitars midway through the year, so the catalog isn’t necessarily correct for every guitar manufactured that year.  A more current description of the NV line can be found at the Washburn site.

http://www.washburn.com/products/acoustics/nv/


Here's a link to the '03-04 catalog page Stacy sent me as a jpeg:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/wingsdad/292b9b7b.jpg

[:0]Here, once again, like every other catlog or website photo of the NV100C I've (and I hope, at least most of you all) have seen, the neck, back & sides are a much lighter, practically natural shade of mahogany, than mine.[?] Of course,from the Genreral Specs,  now I think I confirmed the body is a 'one piece solid Peruvian Mahogany' body. And mine's got the B-Band A3.2, since B-Band made that upgrade to the 3.0 after this catalog.

Well, sorry about all this dumb minutiae rocking y'all to sleep [:(]

EDIT: Woah! Howdy up there in my mother-land, Louis. I was beginning to think this thread was only on my machine...[:D]
« Last Edit: July 26, 2006, 10:46:06 PM by wingsdad »
 

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'04 NV100C Review : The Plot Thickens
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 11:02:44 AM »
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Originally posted by wingsdad

I hope Deacon's well enough and not hurting from PT so he can compare his '04 NV100C to mine...or any of the various catalog or online descritpions of it.
Well, you know I had to take pictures and all of that. [:)]

My 2004 NV100C is a bit older than yours.  S/N: 04081360, and it looks almost identical to yours.  It has a solid piece back and sides, it was routed out and then topped with a laminated top.  The website used to say solid top, but it appears that they canged it sometime ago since I bought my first NV100.  Here are some pics that I took.











Here are a couple of pics of my steel string NV100 too for comparison sake:







I have never seen an NV guitar as light as the one they show in the ad.  Hope that helps.  I love my NV100C.  I got it for $250, and it came with a $50 gig bag for a dred (which I wanted to buy one anyway!)

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Jim Dirkes - aka Deacon
Charleston, SC
The Pack:
2005 Washburn D34SCE Augusta
2004 Washburn WD18SW
2004 Washburn NV100C Classical
2001 Washburn J28SCEDLM Cumberland
1996 Washburn D46S Cheyenne
1998 Washburn XB925 Zebra wood

The Rest:
2005 Epiphone Les Paul Classic
2003 Dean Tradition QS12GN 12 String
1981 Electra Phoenix X140N

ANOTHER PROUD MEMBER OF THE CUMBERLAND BRIGADE
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Jim Dirkes - aka Deacon
Charleston, SC
The Pack:
2006 Washburn J56SW Timbercraft
2004 Washburn D52SWCE Timbercraft
2005 Washburn D46SCE-12 Southwestern
2004 Washburn WD18SW Solid
2004 Washburn NV100C Classical
1996 Washburn D46S Cheyenne

The Rest:
2005 Epiphone Les Paul Classic
1981 Electra Phoenix X140N

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2006, 12:13:52 AM »
Well, thanks, Deacon. Good to see a similar NV100C. My pix are lame, yours are almost pornographic[:D]

I've had quite an email exchange with Washburn's finest CSR, Stacy Puckett. Really did a bunch of reseach, and to sum it up, you've got one of the few '04's with the BFTS. Stacy is leaning towards mine being a prototype of some sort because he checked the s/n & it isn't in their system, which, he explains, they don't put the s/n's of protos in. Maybe yours is, too? It's probably also why mine wound up at this January's NAMM as a display model. Lost in the shuffle for a couple of years?

I do remember my dealer getting the original USA NV's in, and he had one of each including a light finished NV100C like the website & catalogs; I just couldn't muster the funds for it at the time; hence the OS OC11CE for a fraction of that price, then, I satisfied my nylon string craving.

Like you, I love mine, and now that it seems to have this wayward past as a history, I'm feeling lucky to have it, and like I'm bound by some sort of kharma to hang on to her forever and take care of her. It hleps that she plays & sounds awesome, and tunes really spot-on with her Buzz Aldrin Tuning System[8D]
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2006, 02:43:29 PM »
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Originally posted by wingsdad

Well, thanks, Deacon. Good to see a similar NV100C. My pix are lame, yours are almost pornographic[:D] I've had quite an email exchange with Washburn's finest CSR, Stacy Puckett. Really did a bunch of reseach, and to sum it up, you've got one of the few '04's with the BFTS.... Like you, I love mine, and now that it seems to have this wayward past as a history, I'm feeling lucky to have it, and like I'm bound by some sort of kharma to hang on to her forever and take care of her. It hleps that she plays & sounds awesome, and tunes really spot-on with her Buzz Aldrin Tuning System[8D]
Heh heh heh... porn?  Oh no!!!  Stacy is certainly top drawer, and I am like you in appreciating my guitar for what it is, and the deal that I got on it.

Having had the C104SCE, I am sorta sad about not having mine anymore.  Although, I gave it to my brother because he loved it.  There is no trading that, so I have to save and buy another from Dave.  

Speaking of buying guitars from Dave, I made a deal with my wife that if I lose 75 lbs., then she will give her blessing on my purchasing a brand spanking new EA52SWCE with case.  Now... where did I put that salad?

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Jim Dirkes - aka Deacon
Charleston, SC
The Pack:
2005 Washburn D34SCE Augusta
2004 Washburn WD18SW
2004 Washburn NV100C Classical
2001 Washburn J28SCEDLM Cumberland
1996 Washburn D46S Cheyenne
1998 Washburn XB925 Zebra wood

The Rest:
2005 Epiphone Les Paul Classic
2003 Dean Tradition QS12GN 12 String
1981 Electra Phoenix X140N

ANOTHER PROUD MEMBER OF THE CUMBERLAND BRIGADE
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Jim Dirkes - aka Deacon
Charleston, SC
The Pack:
2006 Washburn J56SW Timbercraft
2004 Washburn D52SWCE Timbercraft
2005 Washburn D46SCE-12 Southwestern
2004 Washburn WD18SW Solid
2004 Washburn NV100C Classical
1996 Washburn D46S Cheyenne

The Rest:
2005 Epiphone Les Paul Classic
1981 Electra Phoenix X140N

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2006, 03:44:21 PM »
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Originally posted by wingsdad

I have never seen an NV guitar as light as the one they show in the ad.  Hope that helps.  I love my NV100C.  I got it for $250, and it came with a $50 gig bag for a dred (which I wanted to buy one anyway!)

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Jim Dirkes - aka Deacon
Charleston, SC
The Pack:
2005 Washburn D34SCE Augusta
2004 Washburn WD18SW
2004 Washburn NV100C Classical
2001 Washburn J28SCEDLM Cumberland
1996 Washburn D46S Cheyenne
1998 Washburn XB925 Zebra wood

The Rest:
2005 Epiphone Les Paul Classic
2003 Dean Tradition QS12GN 12 String
1981 Electra Phoenix X140N

ANOTHER PROUD MEMBER OF THE CUMBERLAND BRIGADE




I'm being lazy and not reading the whole thread, but whre did you manage to get this for $250?

Mark