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Offline Lunaray

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« on: January 10, 2007, 04:43:06 PM »
I have an old Washburn that I've been told is a valuable antique and I'm wondering if there are any sites on the web where I can do a little research to see exactly what I have?  It was made by Lion and Healy in Chicago and the company logo inside says Patent applied for, it also has some numbers on the back of the neck, just above the tuning keys, along with Washburn, these are lightly stamped into the wood.  As soon as I get it cleaned up I'll post some pictures, but for now I'm looking for some links that might tell me what the numbers mean.

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 04:49:40 PM »
The number will be the serial number. The first two digits of this usually represent the year of manufacture. If you could post the number, we will be able to tell you a bit more information.

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 04:58:16 PM »
Thanks,

There are two sets of numbers, the first set (larger digits) is 5200, the second set is about an inch below and the digits are a bit smaller, it is 2132

Hope this helps!

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 05:02:36 PM »
Ok, I'm not brilliant with the serial numbers. I know they can tell you year of manufacture and where the guitar comes from, but I don't know how to read them very well. Apparently the first two digits are the year so would that make this guitar a '52?(Dread?Accept?Anybody?)
If you wait a couple of days, this post will be filled with info on this guitar for you, especially when you put up pics.
Sorry I couldn't be of more assisstance, but someone will be along to help you shortly [:D]

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 05:30:47 PM »
Hold up there!  Check the Lion and see if it's Lyon.  Lyon and Healy made thousands of guitars marked Washburn...it was George Lyon's middle name.  The name Washburn was originally a designation for the top of the line L&H guitars.  The Washburn brand was sold just before 1930, and no more L&H Washburns were made.  This guitar is definatly pre-1930, and could be from the 19th century for all we know.

Pictures, please!

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 05:32:39 PM »
See, told you I wasn't any good. Does that mean the SN doesn't state year of manufacture?

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 05:41:45 PM »
The 5200 is the model number and the others are the serial and possibly trim level numbers.

Washburn suffered a fire, possibly two, at the turn of the century and a lot of the paperwork has been lost.

As far as I know Washburn guitars, the company that was re-built after the Tonkin Brothers bought the name and then gave it up, begins the serial with the year.

But this is a whole different animal.  This is a Lyon and Healy from before the Washburn name was sold to Tonkin in 1929.

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 05:44:43 PM »
You're right, it's Lyon and Healy, I mispelled it!  As soon as I get it cleaned up and polished, I'll post some pictures.  Going by other similar Washburns that I've seen, I guess it's called a Parlor Guitar, it's a pretty small guitar!
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 05:57:59 PM »
As far as I know Washburn guitars, the company that was re-built after the Tonkin Brothers bought the name and then gave it up, begins the serial with the year.

But this is a whole different animal.  This is a Lyon and Healy from before the Washburn name was sold to Tonkin in 1929.

I've seen two really old L&H guitars that were numbered 306 and 108, which denoted the size (1-3) and trim level (1-8).  But the later guitars had more definative model numbers (I found a mandolin with a 5300 and the Tonkin era guitars continued this.  

If I had to take any kind of semi-educated guess. I'd say this is a model 5200 built in 1921 due to the second set of numbers 2132.  It can't be a '32, so I'm guessing possibly the 32nd guitar of this model built in '21.

This is just a guess based on internet research and deductive reasoning.


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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 06:03:12 PM »
If it is old, be careful cleaning it up.  If it's classified as a antique, cleaning it could depreciate value.  I would post pictures as is and see what sort of recommendations you get from some of the people on the forum.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2007, 06:15:00 PM »
I am with you on this one Strum do not clean it up take and post pictures first please and let us help you ,there is really no spot where you can go and see if it was made in 1921,they did have two major fires which destroyed a lot of info.But we do have some local residents here who know a lot about Washburns so please no cleaning,post the pics and we will find whatever info we can for you.louis

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 06:24:46 PM »
keef knows these oldies, look him up in the members section and send him an e-mail.
 

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 06:32:45 PM »
You don't have enough posts to e-mail a member. I'll do it for you.
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2007, 07:28:45 PM »
Okay, I posted some pictures in the Show us your Washburn section, that is, I posted a link!

But here's the link:  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lunaray/album?.dir=/7115scd
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2007, 07:50:27 PM »
A little more information:

When I first obtained this guitar (many years ago), it had a floating bridge and a tailpiece with steel strings and it didn't play very well, so I took it to a guitar shop and the guy's eyes widened and he said: do you know what you've got here?  Then he told me a little about it and he suggested that to improve its' playing and to reduce some tension on the neck (he said it was slightly warped), he would install a folk type bridge (as shown in the picture) and install nylon strings.  That did the trick and I proceeded to learn how to play.  It's been with me ever since, over 40 years ago!

Thanks for all of your help!

Ray
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