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Probably just standard h-s-s feeding to V & T (one each).

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: washburn d30 s first or second
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:46:42 AM »
D-30S v.1 -- dreadnought (square shoulders), "snowflake" inlays. 1978-~1983.
D-30S v.2 -- Southern jumbo (sloped shoulders), dot inlays, birdseye maple veneer on headstock. 1985-1994.

Hollowbody & Jazz Series / Re: HB35 very dark sounding
« on: August 07, 2017, 10:11:07 AM »
Not scientific, but my experience is that the tone you describe means the pickups are overly hot for that guitar's natural tone.

Buying for a brand name isn't necessarily the best way to go about it, sorta like shopping for the nicest-looking box. ;) I'd recommend GFS pickups on price alone, like under $40 for most models. (I've got friends who swear by Artec, too.) The site's become a pain to navigate, but some digging might be worthwhile --

Specifically, consider the "Vintage 59."
Classic output levels- wound like a good solid set of late 50's PAF's- 8.5-8.8K for the Bridge, 8.0-8.2K for the neck. Vintage construction with classic bobbin shape and size, Formvar 42 gauge enamel wire, Nickel polepieces and adjusting screws- All thoroughly wax impregnated with BEESWAX

Southwest Series / Re: D46SK Build in China 2007
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:51:34 AM »
Tacoma Guitars was shut down in 2008. They made five Washburn models, one of which is the D-46 Cheyenne, which Blue Book claims was 1996 only. Tacoma never had a line in Red China.

The D-46S Cheyenne has very distinctive markings & a bolt-on neck. It is impossible to confuse with a D-46S Southwest. (The"K" stands for "kit," meaning gig bag or case. For this one, it would be a dark-brown branded case, which presently sell for $79 new.)

Generally, solid-wood guitars made in the United States are better than solid-wood guitars made in Red China, & a well-maintained 1990s guitar will sound better than a well-maintained 2010s guitar.

General Discussion / Re: serial numbers: before you ask...
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:26:15 AM »
Most likely, it had its s/n on a paper tag, either between the tuners or down at the neck heel.

My BT-3 has its number typed (:o) on a narrow white strip of paper that's stuck to the back of the headstock.

FWIW, the XB-100 was 1996-2004. If it's anything other than Gloss Black, the color narrows it down a little.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Washburn D66SW Prairie Song Custom
« on: July 31, 2017, 11:10:08 PM »
Dunno. I though that early steel-string acoustics were all snakehead. Certainly, it's unusual even for Washburn.

Much lack of information. It's not in the condensed Blue Book, I can't find my Big Book, & it's not on their site.

Someone on eBay sold one as a "1973," which is impossible. That leads me to suspect its s/n was 73xxxx, & that therefore this doesn't have a two-digit year code, but one-digit. If all that conjecture holds together, I'd guess it at 1987... okay, maybe 1997. ::) Something about the headstock inlay says "1990s" to me, but now I can't find my notes. But really very unlikely to be 1979.

In any case, please keep it humidified!! A lovely instrument.

There's a guy on eBay, who sells N4 "replacement" necks & N4 "replacement" bodies. He pretends that these are intended (of course!! :o) ONLY to repair proper Washburn instruments, NOT to make illegal copies.

I mean, ::).

Heck, buy a real N4 for $2,000, stick the neck onto a clone body & a clone neck on the original body, & sell 'em for $1,500 each...

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: 1930's Collegian archtop
« on: July 29, 2017, 02:16:41 PM »
Just because the bridge looks the same doesn't mean it's original. I'm unable to see that photo, but I thought  the original tailpiece didn't have the acorn nuts. Here, try one that doesn't require Photobastard...

Yah, certainly the tuners drive up value for the restoration market.

But I'll stand by my opinion that the guitars, while overall good, don't have enough demand to justify most "book" valuations. Firstly, there's simply less demand for F-hole guitars & archtop guitars.

While well-maintained, this guitar is not anywhere near Mint. And ANY instrument is "guilty 'til proved innocent," ESPECIALLY acoustic, MOST especially OLD acoustics: until it's been checked out (for a fee) by a skilled luthier, any sane buyer will NOT go to the high end of the "value" range. Can anyone tell by the photos whether the neck -- no trussrod, remember :o -- is bowed or twisted...?

And there's further inflation: 1938-1940, a few Washburn-branded 52xx guitars were actually built by Gibson, including the 5242, of which Gruhn says there were no more than 50. It's probably NOT one of those, but the rumor starts going around that SOME Washies are Gibson, & pretty soon everyone's saying ALL Washies are Gibson ::) & prices get an undeserved bump upward.

Here's a (non-Gibson) 5242 listed for $895... AFTER a full structural restoration --

With original case (even in bad shape), I'd say it'll fetch maybe $400, tops.

You guys found 2 at $326 and $375 at a pawn shop and ebay
To clarify, "those guys" haven't been around much in recent years. The $375 eBay find had distinct cracks, which might need hydration & cleats (not cheap!) to ensure ribs don't start popping off. :o The other guy seems to know he got a bargain. ;)

It's all rather relative, anyway. I got a MIM P-bass for $180 + tax. But anyone who wants to own a Standard Fender in the foreseeable future probably ought to have an actual $250-$350 in hand, rather than hoping for a stroke of luck.

Acoustic Guitar Players Post Comments & Questions / Re: WA90CE
« on: July 29, 2017, 01:13:19 PM »
When Washburn doesn't brag about every little detail, this usually doesn't indicate high-end. :( A few dealers still have them, for ~$170.

One site says the guitar is all "linden," more commonly called basswood.

The model number is misleading, much like the D-100 -- a useless zero makes it look more valuable. The WA-90 is roughly comparable to the D-9: a decent low-price "entry level" guitar.

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: First Washburn, HB35
« on: July 29, 2017, 12:50:45 PM »
Somewhere around here is a thread where me & a few others tried to put together notes on the evolution of the HB-35. My hope was to make it easier to date a 35 on sight aloneby these changes: "ear" shape, pickplate shape, logo, placement of knobs & switch & jack, headstock shape, logo...

You do have a lovely guitar, which has been well-played but cared for. The tailpiece (Schaller?) is a nice upgrade.

At a glance, though, I doubt 1991. Others may correct me, but two points stand out.

First, those look like Grovers. If so, & they're original, it's NOT a 1991. Washburn didn't start putting Grovers on their midrange guitars until the late 1990s.

Then there's the block inlays. They were split-block until the late '90s. (And they stop at fret 19 rather than 21.)

Yours has "Mickey Mouse ears" for cutaway horns. I vaguely recall someone saying that was a brief period in the 35's history, but can't remember further. While I don't mind the thicker, rounder ears, I find the almost-pointed "cat ears" more aesthetically pleasing. (Here's a short article about 335 ears:

I'm sure there's other stuff, so I'll pull up the 1993 catalogue --
Yep, there we go: split blocks, no Grovers. Also: smaller pointier horns, switch on upper bout, reverse knob layout, different tonehole shape, side-mount jack. In recent years, Washburn has gone back to these old specs, even the soundhole shape.

The seller was well-intentioned -- at least he didn't try to claim it was MIJ ::) -- but so far as the serial number, he's kinda got one part of his anatomy stuck up another. ;) (Many Washburn dabblers do, if not most.)

Briefly, if an s/n doesn't have one or two prefix letters, it's probably not current. If less than 8 digits, it's not recent past. Six digits is probably before 2000, so I'd guess 1999 (one-digit year code) & call it a "transitional" version, maybe the first run from an Indonesia or Red China factory, & possibly some other brand's ES-335 sorta-clone, rebadged to fill a rush order for Washburns.

Anyone care to shoot me down on this? :)

So long as it feels good, sounds good, & plays good, that's all that really matters. It's a very lovely axe, morseso than some of the "standard" 35s I've seen.

Idol Series / Re: What is this?
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:40:51 PM »
What is it about the number that you find confusing...?

Idol Series / Re: What have I bought?
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:39:58 PM »
Washburn used to allow dealers to order special runs of Korean made Idols, as long as they order 50 of them.
Yah, certainly. They're good MIK guitars, though I've seen a couple of sellers try to fob them off as "Washburn Custom Shop." ::)

I tried to make a complete list of ALL the Idols, but it bogged down -- in part from the proliferation of WI-66 variants, which I couldn't fathom at the time. But my notes say the WI-66PRO appeared in the 2005 catalogue (with the WI-67PRO, the slightly larger semihollow version). In 2007, WI-66 appeared (with less-fancy hardware & electronics). The USA-made WI-566 showed up for 2008. The "old Idol" line pretty much came to an end after 2009. (I've got a WI-66V, 2002-2003.)

In 2014, Boogie Street somehow discovered four NOS 2008 WI-566, which they sold at $1,575.

I have an unattributed quote, which I think is from somewhere on this site --
washburn did have some rare limited run models, like the WI66PROSP (Spalted Maple), WI66PROIA (Indian Apple), WI66PROCO (Cocobolo), and WI66PROZ (Ziricote).

I have the WI66PROZ and I found out that it was a limited run of only 15 made!

There was the WI-66ANC, the MIK version of the NC-70 "Nick Catanese" signature.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: 1930's Collegian archtop
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:12:29 PM »
Very little info to be had. That was the period when the brands "Washburn," "Tonk Bros.," "Lyon & Healy," & "Regal" were almost interchangeable.

I've seen the roundhole archtops go past for $700-$1,000. Pretty good guitars, really, & often either played to death or left in an attic for 50 years. Even a well-kept example generally needs a neck re-set, maybe a bridge lift& reglue as well.

Here's all that Blue Book offers --
Steel string guitars were introduced around 1930. ... Archtop models appeared in the early to mid-1930s. Models include the 5250 Archtop Collegian, 5255 Archtop Superb, 5258 Archtop Deluxe, 5259 Archtop Super Deluxe, 5242 Collegian Super Auditorium, 5248 Superb Extra Super Auditorium, and 5243 Aristocrat Super Auditorium.
All guitars were 52xx models. In that era, the last two digits roughly indicate relative prices; the more desirable guitars are usually easy to spot as they have large inlay work (often extensive). As you can see from the above list, your 5242 is numerically the lowest for archtops (though there may have been a 5240 &/or 5241), & has just a bare minimum of ordinary dots.

The tailpiece has been replaced, & likely the bridge assembly. However, this tells me that the guitar was probably cared for & stored properly. A "played in" guitar will always sound better than an identical instrument that was played briefly then stuck in a closet.

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