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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 15, 2008, 01:03:18 PM
Hi,

I'm a newby looking for a good quality guitar at a price I can afford. I have been impressed with what I read about Washburn guitars and have been looking on eBay and Craig's list. I'm surprised at how low some of the prices are on ebay.Some under $100.

The D10N is on Craig's list, and is listed for $225. Like new.

I am a small woman, and am currently taking lessons on a borrowed classical guitar. The neck seems to wide for my small hands and I was wondering if it's reasonable to be able to find a good guitar that is not so difficult for me to handle. It is hard to find out things like that on the internet..so thought I would ask here.

Any tips on what certain things mean in model #s.. difference in sizes between dreadnaughts and other models would be helpful information.

Thanks.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: millenium on January 15, 2008, 01:11:48 PM
that is obvious that an classical guitar neck is wider then an dreadnaught accoustic guitar. If it is possible for you, go in a local guitar store and try one, you'll see a big difference. Purchasing an washburn for a first guitar is a good move. There is a member on this forum who sale washburn guitar: RGG music (Dave)... you should try to get in touch with him, he could probably help you out !!!
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Pike on January 15, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
Hi countrylady, for a little more money you could get a D10S, which has a solid top (the D10N does not) and will not only sound better initially, but will also improve over time. Any guitar you purchase will benefit from a professional set up, which will make it easier to play.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 15, 2008, 02:04:10 PM
Welcome countrylady, well you have shown good taste by starting off on a Washburn and a D10 is a great guitar to start with, bu5t as Pike mentioned aa D-10S is the better choice and if you find the Dread to big you could always look at the folk size guitars which have a slightly smaller body and as Yan has mentioned we have a fellow here who gives great service and ( if you ask nice ) great deals for forum members RGGMusic.com,he has a good reputation here and else where for his guitars, so welcome aboard and have fun with what ever you decide on.louis[:)]

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 15, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
Another thing to keep in mind is that the D10N hasn't been produced in years. They typically sell used for $100 or less and it would have to be in exceptionally good condition before I'd even pay that. I have both the D10N (with the laminated wood top) and the D10S (with the solid wood top) and the sound is like night and day.

Dreadnaught is the most common steel string guitar size. Jumbo is bigger and folk is smaller. There are other sizes/styles but those are most common. Most (if not all) steel string guitars have thinner necks than classicals. Many young children play dreadnaughts with no trouble so you should be fine with one. Your best bet for sure would be to try several at your local music store. You can get a feel for what you like and buying at a store is a great foundation for a relationship with local experts.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: gregjones on January 15, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
Since you describe yourself as small, I would suggest that you play a D sized guitar before you by one.  They are big.  Reaching around one might not be comfortable.  The sad part is that over-sized guitars seem to be the norm these days and the pickin's are slim in entry level folk sized guitars.

There would not be any disadvantage with a F10S, unless you are planing to play against a banjo player, and the advantages should far outweigh that single negative.



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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: donny341 on January 15, 2008, 08:03:14 PM
Hello, Countrylady and welcome to the forum. I can understand the need for the narrower neck as well as a shorter scale length. Keep in mind you will have to suffer through the callous building phase when you switch to steel strings. I would definitely recommend going with the smaller Folk guitar style. You will find the comfort of reaching to the next fret much easier, as well as the reach across the strings. By scale length I am referring to the dimension from the NUT (where the strings go over to the pegs) to the SADDLE (where the strings ride on the bridge by the soundhole) Standard is 25.4 or 25.5 inches. a smaller acoustic scale length will be 24 inches. You will find that length much easier to play. I can recommend RGG Music for good advice and good service also. But if he cannot get you a new Folk size guitar, I DO recommend this seller on Ebay. I have bought from him twice and have been quite satisfied. This Folk guitar ad I am posting would do the trick in size for you, plus it is also able to plug in (acoustic/electric) and has a nice cutaway for reaching those lower frets. I has a solid spruce top which is much better than the D10N laminated top, and at about the same price as you mentioned. I would not buy the D10N for over $50.  Good luck in your hunt.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburns-New-Washburn-F10SCE-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar_W0QQitemZ130188314992QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33032QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Pike on January 16, 2008, 12:18:34 AM
Folk guitars are easy to handle, but you also give up some sound. My 12 year old grandson has no problem at all playing my dreadnaughts. I'd do like Dreadman says and go out and play a bunch of different ones and compare.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: zzzip on January 16, 2008, 12:55:56 AM
Hey, I'm new to the forum also. I just sold my Washburn D10s to a friend to give to his teenage daughter for Christmas and it was a big hit. Thin neck, easy to play and a SOLID spruce top. Not a problem for any woman or child. As advertised: Best selling guitar for under $500. The D10s is the best beginner guitar and more that I've seen or played, especially for the price. Whatever you decide, buy a SOLID top guitar. Good luck!
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 20, 2008, 07:02:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by donny341

Hello, Countrylady and welcome to the forum. I can understand the need for the narrower neck as well as a shorter scale length. Keep in mind you will have to suffer through the callous building phase when you switch to steel strings. I would definitely recommend going with the smaller Folk guitar style. snip..



Thanks for all the information. I will check with Dave and also the eBay sale.

Pat
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 20, 2008, 07:28:10 PM
I'd like to thank everyone who replied to my question. Some seemed to wonder if I really needed a smaller guitar. I am 5'2' weigh 105 dripping wet, and am small framed. At my last lesson we had a discussion about hand placement and our instructor (Heidi Muller)  http://heidimuller.com/ i mentioned that often folk players curl their thumb around the neck of the guitar. Heck ..there is no way I could do that!
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 20, 2008, 07:34:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by millenium

that is obvious that an classical guitar neck is wider then an dreadnaught accoustic guitar. If it is possible for you, go in a local guitar store and try one, you'll see a big difference. Purchasing an washburn for a first guitar is a good move. There is a member on this forum who sale washburn guitar: RGG music (Dave)... you should try to get in touch with him, he could probably help you out !!!





I was hoping I could get enough information to order a guitar on line. I would love to go try some out, but we have to music stores where I live and the nearest would be about 2 or more hours away depending on how much it is snowing out. (Right now it's snowing alot![:)]

Thanks for tipping me off about Dave, I will contact him.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 20, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
Well, I went to  Dave's website and posted a question about the sizes of the D10S and the F10SE. Hopefully someone will respond fairly soon. I am itching to order my new guitar!

Thanks to all for your help. I'll let you know what happens.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 20, 2008, 08:52:28 PM
Some folks here are very comfortable recommending RGG Music to newcomers but always fail to mention that it's a one person mail order operation run out of the basement of a near novice in his spare time. If a new player is going to get a recommendation I think they should know exactly what's being recommended. I'd certainly want to know.

Just my two cents.......

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 20, 2008, 09:29:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dreadman

Some folks here are very comfortable recommending RGG Music to newcomers but always fail to mention that it's a one person mail order operation run out of the basement of a near novice in his spare time. If a new player is going to get a recommendation I think they should know exactly what's being recommended. I'd certainly want to know.

Just my two cents.......

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Thanks for that information. I have also looked at the Washburn folk guitar for sale from an Oklahoma guitar company.They seem to have a good reputation.

Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 20, 2008, 10:20:19 PM
____  is right.  The Oklahoma guy's reputation is stellar. Clearly ____ has your best interest at heart!

____, you might want to know that I'm not a one-man shop anymore and I'm not just working from my home office anymore - not that there's anything wrong with those things.  But what do you call it when you start out small and then your business grows?  Wait.  Why am I asking you?

Thanks for the carefully worded sucker punch but do be more careful.  People might start to think that this is one of your personal attacks.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 20, 2008, 10:43:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by RGG Music

Dreadman's right.  The Oklahoma guy's reputation is stellar. Clearly Dreadman has your best interest at heart!

Dreadman, you might want to know that I'm not a one-man shop anymore and I'm not just working from my home office anymore - not that there's anything wrong with those things.  But what do you call it when you start out small and then your business grows?  Wait.  Why am I asking you?

Thanks for the carefully worded sucker punch but do be more careful.  People might start to think that this is one of your personal attacks.


Nothing personal at all Dave, just telling a buyer what any careful shopper would want to know - and congrats on the business growth. Where's the store? How many employees? I'm really surprised that you're just mentioning it now. How long ago did these changes occur?

And for the record I find absolutely nothing wrong with a one-man business run from home. In fact you're well aware that I'm one too (although I've never hid it from my customers). It's just that people recommend you like you're a big professional guitar store and that's just not accurate.

Also, maybe you should read posts a little more clearly before jumping down someone's throat. I didn't recommend Oklahoma or anyone else. I also didn't tell anyone not to buy from you.

Any special reason you're posting my real name? You know damn well that I don't publish personal information. Want to remove it or should we play tit for tat? I know as much personal info about you as you do about me.

Hey Ship - that's got to be against the rules. Will you please fix it if Dave doesn't?


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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 20, 2008, 10:51:02 PM
....and ya know what eles is funny Dave - You never have a problem when someone posts an embarrassing truth about another guitar dealer, in fact you often jump in and bash other dealers. What gives you the privledge of being untouchable? Do you own this forum? Are you a paying sponsor?

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: larrylee13 on January 20, 2008, 11:38:32 PM
COUNTRYLADY:

I would also probably suggest a smaller bodied guitar like the F10S. The solid spruce top will improve with age, the the folk-type body will probably be more to your liking...

I have one which I'm considering selling to get another Washburn, 'cause I find the neck too narrow for my somewhat fat fingers!!

Let me know if you might be interested.  It's literally like new. I live in Florida, so could ship...

Larry
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 20, 2008, 11:45:41 PM
Mr. X, I removed your real name.  I'm not sure why I used it.  Maybe because I'm tired of watching you attack people on the board once a week while hiding behind a code name.  Why not be a man and tell people who you are?  

Mr. X, you said: people recommend you like you're a big professional guitar store and that's just not accurate  How do you define big and professional?

I sold guitars to 3 different continents this month!  That's kind of big.  Customers are happy and prices are good. That's what I do.  It's fun.  It was never intended to be more or less than that.  And since I'm really not driven by profit to the same degree as the stores you shop in, why wouldn't people here want to recommend me?  I sold guitars to 3/4's of the people reading this and some of them got some really nice deals!

Go ahead and be the consumer watchdog if you want, but when you're constantly attacking everybody about everything, you lose a little credibility.  And you know what?  An internet tough guy who hides behind his handle is really not so tough.  It seems kind of cowardly to me.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 12:44:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by RGG Music

Why not be a man and tell people who you are?
Seriously? Someone's not a man unless they post personal info on the internet? Maybe you ought to get some sleep and try assassinating my character when you're more rested. That was weak.

How do you define big and professional?
Anything more than a guy selling guitars out of his basement after work. LOL I think everyone knows what I mean - including you.

I sold guitars to 3 different continents this month!  That's kind of big.  Customers are happy and prices are good. That's what I do.  It's fun.
Cool, I think that's great. (but I personally wouldn't brag about selling three guitars in a month. [;)])

......I'm really not driven by profit to the same degree as the stores you shop in
You have no idea where I shop and I've seen your drive.

why wouldn't people here want to recommend me?
Who said not to recommend you? I sure didn't.

I sold guitars to 3/4's of the people reading this and some of them got some really nice deals!
Only some of them? I guess the rest were like me. Remember you charged me $40 more than the usual selling price for that HB32DM? Since you brought it up, I'm real curious about this forum discount I keep hearing about. Neither you nor anyone who claims to have gotten one has ever said what it was. Exactly what is the deal with that and why didn't it apply to my purchase (and others)?

Go ahead and be the consumer watchdog if you want, but when you're constantly attacking everybody about everything, you lose a little credibility.
Why would a consumer watchdog bother you so much? Most businesses love consumer watchdogs. Keeps the dishonest competition down.

And you know what?  An internet tough guy who hides behind his handle is really not so tough.  It seems kind of cowardly to me.
Are you calling me a coward from 500 miles away? [:D] I'd call that a cowardly personal attack.




Look how much fuss you've made over one simple, honest comment, that wasn't even directed at you. Get some sleep dude.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
Countrylady ( love your handle, by the way ) please forget the non-sense, I myself have no problem recommending www.RGGMusic.Com I have had dealings with Dave and found him to be an honest dealer.
Either guitar you look at the D10N or S or the folk size guitars (F10S )that Pike mentioned, they are both very nice guitars and I am sure you will get many years of joy and satisfaction of play time from either one,so I think who ever you buy your guitar from doesn't matter to any of us, and we just want to get you started on some fun playing, so welcome and lets play some music.your friendly moderator.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 21, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ship of fools

Countrylady ( love your handle, by the way ) please forget the non-sense, I myself have no problem recommending www.RGGMusic.Com I have had dealings with Dave and found him to be an honest dealer.
Either guitar you look at the D10N or S or the folk size guitars (F10S )that Pike mentioned, they are both very nice guitars and I am sure you will get many years of joy and satisfaction of play time from either one,so I think who ever you buy your guitar from doesn't matter to any of us, and we just want to get you started on some fun playing, so welcome and lets play some music.your friendly moderator.louis



Hi Louis,

Thanks for the post. and the welcome.

I am used to seeing disagreements on forums..been on quite a few through the years.. too bad it has to be public instead of taken private...but oh well.

I contacted both Dave and the Oklahoma eBay seller.

Dave was by far the most complete with his answers and if I buy a Washburn I am sure it will be from him.

I was discouraged this am though after reading his last explanation to discover these less expensive Washburn (and I guess other brands that are touted to be USA companies) are actually made in Asia.

I am a stanch made in USA kinda countrygal. Too much outsourcing going on, but that is a political discussion and I won't belabor it here.

Anyway.. is there no reasonably priced acoustic guitar available that has good quality made in the USA or maybe Canada? I didn't really want to pay $800 for a guitar.

Thanks.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Arzy on January 21, 2008, 12:08:48 PM
countrylady, you ask: Anyway.. is there no reasonably priced acoustic guitar available that has good quality made in the USA or maybe Canada? The Godin/Lasido family of guitars from Canada (including the Seagull, Simon & Patrick, Norman, and Art & Lutherie brands of acoustic guitars) include many affordable models. The Seagulls are the best known in the U.S. but have pretty wide necks at the nut (1.8) except for the Entourage models (1.72), which are also pretty affordable (under $300 retail)  (example (http://elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SER.htm)).

As for the U.S., Taylor makes a small (15/16 size) dreadnought called the Big Baby that sells for under $500 and would probably fit your size very well, but Taylor moved production of the Baby line from California to Mexico awhile back. There are relatively inexpensive Martins, but they too are moving production of their low-end guitars to Mexico, and their low-end guitars are not what made (or presently make) their reputation.

As some people have noted in this thread, you may want a smaller-bodied guitar (which might be called a folk, OM, 000, grand concert, etc., size). I also should note that dreadnoughts aren't all the exact same size. Some have noticeably deeper bodies than others, and so if you played two different brands, they might feel quite different when you add up body size, neck profile, etc.

Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 21, 2008, 12:37:57 PM
Thanks Country Lady.  I think your political discussion is really one that's worth having. Obviously we can't get into the Presidential race here, but the guitar issue should be safe.

Is anyone else ever troubled about buying Asian imports?  It's unfortunate that the US can't build a decent $500 guitar, but it really looks like we can't.  

If you found two identical guitars; one made in the US goes for $800 and one made in China goes for $200, which would you buy?

Let's look at the D82SW.  This is made in Chicago.  It's a solid spruce/rosewood dreadnought and it lists for $2,399.90.  Compare that to the imported D56SW which lists for $1,449.90.  On paper they're practically identical.  So which one do you buy?  Is there even a difference in sound?

Is it right that our role models are all playing American guitars while most of us average Joes can't afford them?

Arzy,  Just saw your post and I was wondering about the entry level Seagulls.  Are they made in Canada, or are they imports? Just curious.
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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 12:50:59 PM
No worries Countrylady, as for North American well there are a few that are made here in Canada, they were listed by Arzy (big thanks for that Arzy )how ever almost all lower priced guitars are made abroad these days, and you would be surprised how many parts are made in Asia, then assembled in NorthAmerica and called US or Canadian, its a sign of the times, I don't think its so much political as much as to do with trade agreements, they have to find a balance, you'd might be surprised as to how much even our respective goverments buy from the Asia's to achieve this so called balance.Well all thats important to me is that you find something you like and to be honest some of those Asian guitars aren't to bad.louis[;)]

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: magoo99 on January 21, 2008, 12:54:04 PM
I'm loven Seagull Guitars, they are made in Quebec.
I have played a lot of them and love the pick up system that they come with. A band mate has one and it sounds great he paid around $500 for it.
I think ship or yan knows a little about these Guitars maybe they could tell us more.
I found the neck a little wide on the ones I played so maybe they are not for everyone but well worth a look.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Arzy on January 21, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
countrylady, the Seagull, etc., guitars I listed are all made in Canada, in towns like LaPatrie. Again, given your body and hand size, if you're interested in the Seagulls I would steer you toward the models with a narrower nuts (the Entourage and Slim models--see http://seagullguitars.com/specs.htm). The regular ones would be too wide for you. And then there are the other Godin brands made in Canada, like Art & Lutherie (http://elderly.com/new_instruments/items/ALDC-SUN.htm) (they say the neck is 1.75 wide at the nut in that store listing, but actually it should be 1.72--see Art & Lutherie's specs page (http://www.artandlutherieguitars.com/specs.htm)).

Larrivee is a great Canadian guitar maker, but their least expensive models nowadays are probably around $800 U.S. when bought new.

The depth and shape of a guitar neck matter a lot in determining its feel. Even regarding the width, though, the nut width is just one part of the equation. Some necks are wider at the nut and wider all the way down as well (like Martin OM models and other guitars modeled on them), such that they are, say, 2 1/4 wide at the 12th fret. Others (Seagull, Taylor, etc.), may be wide at the nut but aren't terribly wide at the 12th fret (2 1/8 and so on).

Whatever you get, I agree with the recommendations to get a solid-top guitar. If you want to get a guitar made in North America, watch out for some of the guitars from the Godin lines--they make some models with laminated cherry tops. Get a solid top. At $279 with free shipping, for example (I refer to the one I linked to above--maybe it's cheaper elsewhere), there's no reason not to.

Of course, a solid-top Washburn is also a fine choice. I'm just addressing the made-in-US/Canada-at-a-low-price element of your questions.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 21, 2008, 01:41:58 PM
Good info, Magoo.  I'm looking at adding Seagulls next; I played phone tag with their US rep all last week (everyone's been at NAMM).  But that's definately something I wanted to verify.  As Arzy mentioned, Seagull opens the door to all the other Godin brands.  

Canadian guitars are ok, aye Louis? :-D
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 01:47:48 PM
You betcha Toaster, they are great.And Arzy what do you think of Simon and Patrick's I believe they make a folk size with a solid top for around $350.00 ( have to check for the model number when I get a chance ).louis
And isn't it funny how I have been buying more Washies, and said good bye to my Larrivee ( she wasn't working out for me )

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: magoo99 on January 21, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Didn't larrivee move there shop out of Canada?
I didn't think much of the Simon and Patrick brands but I do like the Norman I think they are great sounding guitars are they not all made by the godin brand?

How about Morgan Guitars?  the ones I have played are all expensive in the $2000 + range.
Do they have cheaper models?
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Arzy on January 21, 2008, 02:21:52 PM
ship, I've played some Simon & Patrick models over the years, and they really have a narrower neck feel than the standard Seagulls. The present spec, at least, for the S&P models is 1.72 at the nut. They (S&P) all have solid tops, at least nowadays, and they do have folk models (for example, this (http://www.simonandpatrick.com/vintageburstfolk.htm)).

And the Seagull folk has a very wide nut (bad news for countrylady), so actually among the Godin acoustics, the Simon & Patrick folk or one of the solid-top Art & Lutherie folks (not all of the A&L ones have solid tops) might be the best bet for countrylady unless she really likes the booming dread sound--the folk guitar sound would be more boxy. (I'm not sure about the Norman nut widths, so I'm leaving them out--others here might have that information.)
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Arzy on January 21, 2008, 02:24:49 PM
magoo99, Larrivee makes some guitars in California, but does not outsource to Asia or Latin America, etc. See here (http://www.larrivee.com/5_features/history/locations.html).
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: magoo99 on January 21, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
Thanks Arzy,  good to know they are still here.
I love their guitars but find them a little pricey.
but then again you get what you pay for.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 02:43:36 PM
Larrivee's just around the corner from me Magoo, and yep Morgans are on the higher price list, but then for a hand built their prices are very reasonable and they make some very nice models, had one for about 4 years but traded it for something else.Arzy, Normans are almost the same size as the S&P.Wow its great when one can share this kind of information on this forum and enjoy it.louis[:D]

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 03:21:27 PM
I saw it too. Double standard?

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: magoo99 on January 21, 2008, 03:30:54 PM
LMAO I was waiting for this...LOL
You guys don't miss a beat.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
nope you two aren't worth my time or effort,try harder.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 04:58:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ship of fools

nope you two aren't worth my time or effort,try harder.louis

Try harder? Okay......

You're always harping on people for discussing things that aren't Washburn or US Music related but at the same time you go on and on regularly about every Canadian guitar brand out there (among many other unrelated things). It's very irritating when you make up rules then break them.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 05:10:52 PM
So is either one of you ever going to stop.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 05:23:46 PM
I think it's a legitimate forum issue. Are you ever going to address it?

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 21, 2008, 05:26:42 PM
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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 05:27:10 PM
Sorry folks he won't talk to me off line, so what is your legitimate forum issue, please bring it forward.I hide behind nothing I have tried to make peace with you and Rocket, so please by all means, lets see what your concerns are and then maybe we can discuss guitars again.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 05:40:25 PM
Huh? I ignore your emails because of the incessant harrassment and sharing of personal info. That has nothing to do with this and it's not going to change.

The legitimate issue is you making up rules that aren't in the posted forum rules then breaking them. You let some people say whatever they want and you moderate the crap out of others. Dave posted my real name to get a shot at me and you didn't say a word! To be honest it looks very much like you're aiming your new-found powers at certain people (that don't care for you) and letting others continue as usual (and then some). THAT'S the issue.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 05:46:01 PM
Sorry I am not as articulant as you and Rocket, so please spell it out like you might for those of us that aren't as well educated as you two are.You will have to be very specific and you will have to have proof of what you are saying, so please, I am still here.louis  and please I still have the last several e-mails I sent to you, they were regarding postings from newbies who had a question re-whatever.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 05:48:25 PM
....and my apologies to CountryLady for all of this coming up in your thread. This forum has had a balance problem for a while now and it shows up from time to time in inopportune places. Generally a fun bunch though - feel free to ignore the crap, join in or chastise us all! Through it all though you will find plenty of answers and helpful information.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
I'm sorry Ship, I can't make it any more plain than that. Do you speak another language better? French perhaps? I'll translate if it will help.

I know the emails you're talking about. The ones where you were directing me as to which threads I need to reply to after you were asked not to email me. If you don't mind I'll read the forum and reply at MY leisure. I know a lot about guitars and I do like to help people but I'm not anyone's personal resource. It's the OTHER emails that I was referring to, from before you mysteriously became a moderator. The ones where you'd constantly tell me what my opinion should be and tell me what to post and what not to post. No one wants to hear that crap from anyone.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 06:11:19 PM
Would it help you if I puplicly say I am sorry and we move on, common that was a long time ago, how big of an olive branch do you need to move forward let it go and lets move forward and forget the past.I have not sent you a private e-mail since way back,so lets find something else, as for another language how is your Hungarian or maybe you know biker language.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 06:17:22 PM
I had a feeling English was a second language for you. This ought to straighten it out:

A törvényes kérdés van ön gyártás megjelöl szabályok amit aren't -ban kifüggesztett fórum szabályok akkor ablak betörése õket. Ön enged néhány ember mond akármi akarnak és ön mérsékelt a szar kívül másikak. Dave kifüggesztett igazi nevem -hoz munkát szerezni szemcsésedik -on én és ön didn't mond egy szó! -hoz lenni becsületes ez néz nagyon sok szeret you're célzás -a új - alapít képességek -on bizonyos emberek ( amit ne törõdj vele érted ) és bérlet másikak folytatódik mint mindig ( aztán némely ). Amit a kérdés.

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 06:21:53 PM
I speak biker too but I have a feeling you'd delete my post if I translated it that way. LOL

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 06:26:17 PM
Well ,sorry your hungarian is not too great either, you can't translate it like that,but then it is one of the toughest languages to write and speak,so I guess you won't grab the olive branch and let the past go,what more can I do for you, I have already gone off-line with Dave, so what more can I do to make you happy.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Dreadman on January 21, 2008, 07:09:20 PM
What's this about the past? We're discussing right here and now - your selective moderating - TODAY. The past has already been dealt with - let it go.

Don't feel like you need to make me happy. I just asked about the double standard moderating but it's pretty clear that you're not going to even attempt to address it. Whatever......

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 21, 2008, 07:24:36 PM
So what is the double standard, talking about another brand of guitar is that what you are referrring to, if so, its the only thing I can think you might be talking about or are you talking about what Rocket posted, which was taken completly out of context, but then like I said I am not as articulant as he, when it comes to the American English language and sometimes my sentences may not follow my thought process, so my bad.Selective moderating I am only on line when I can so, please if I have missed something please point it out I am far from perfect, so let me know where I have missed something that doesn't belong.
As for this long winded conversation I have already apologized to countrylady and I hope she finds the guitar that best suits her, and with any luck it will be a Washburn (see I am loyal, I even bought one again )louis[:0]
I would only delete anything not fitting for children to read Dreadman, when it comes to biker language.louis
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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: RGG Music on January 21, 2008, 07:57:37 PM
This used to be such a fun place.   Now we're fighting in Hungarian.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: strumsalot on January 21, 2008, 10:38:52 PM
Welcome to forum Country Lady! We're just one big dysfunctional family.[:D][:D][:D]

I posted this a while back.

http://www.washburn.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11295

Its got a pic of a folk and 3/4 guit next to a dread. The funny thing is, the one with the smallest neck is the largest guit. The USA built D82SW has a 40mm nut. Now I would think that the D10S would have a larger nut width, 43-44mm, that's what my WD32SW has.

BTW - Ship, what size nut is on your D78SW???

Edited for spelling.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 27, 2008, 11:29:05 PM
I thought I would let those who were kind enough to advise me know what I ended up doing.

And I enjoyed catching up on the discussion that has been going on while I was gone. It is also interesting that my further research led me to the same conclusion many of you suggested.

I ended up buying a Seagull Coastline Grand Parlor. It is 1.72 inches at the nut, and made in  Canada. It has a solid cedar top and laminated rosewood sides. It retails for over $450, but many discount houses offer it in the $369-$379 price range. I was somewhat tempted to buy from one of these, but was concerned about it not being set up, and have no place here to get that done. What do people do who buy from those places with no set up? Are they all experienced guitar owners who know how to do that?

For awhile, I looked at a couple of smaller, family owned shops on line that advertised free set up. The guitars ran about $400. More than I wanted to pay, but worth it to buy made in N. America.  Then I ran across two on ebay that looked practically new. In fact I think one was.. maybe it was a second. Anyway.. last night I bought the used one for $281.00, right over $300 with shipping. I think it is a good deal, and am excited about getting it.

As far as the politics of products made in Asia..

ship of fools said. its a sign of the times, I don't think its so much political as much as to do with trade agreements, they have to find a balance, you'd might be surprised as to how much even our respective goverments buy from the Asia's to achieve this so called balance.Well all thats important to me is that you find something you like and to be honest some of those Asian guitars aren't to bad.

Although I agree some of those Asian guitars are good guitars, I disagree completely about the politics of trade agreements. They certainly are politics and they are doing our country no good. Ask any small business owner who has been run out of business because of it or auto worker who has been laid off, and on and on...

Free trade agreements are not free!

Anyway.. I hope you don't mind if I hang around after my Seagull comes in. This is a very nice place, and I appreciated all the help in making a decision on a guitar.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 27, 2008, 11:35:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dreadman

....and my apologies to CountryLady for all of this coming up in your thread. This forum has had a balance problem for a while now and it shows up from time to time in inopportune places. Generally a fun bunch though - feel free to ignore the crap, join in or chastise us all! Through it all though you will find plenty of answers and helpful information.





[:)] I accept your apology dread. I think it's best to take an opportunity to hammer out an agreement than to let disagreements fester.

I wonder though, since I didn't buy a washburn do I have to leave the forum? [:(]

Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 27, 2008, 11:46:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by strumsalot

Welcome to forum Country Lady! We're just one big dysfunctional family.[:D][:D][:D]



Hi Chad,

Thanks for taking the time to find the post with the measurements. Lots of variations among different brands and models I discovered as i read about many.

The Seagull Coastline Grand Parlor I bought measures:

nut width. 2.72, upper bout 9.28, lower bout 13.00, body length 18.3, body depth 4.2, total length 39-40, (I never got an exact figure on that)...but it appears to be a nice smaller guitar that should work well for me.

Thanks also for the welcome. I'm pretty good at sifting the oats from the chaff so was able to find the useful posts in this thread while smiling at the humaness in the rest.
[:)]
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 27, 2008, 11:49:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by larrylee13

COUNTRYLADY:

I would also probably suggest a smaller bodied guitar like the F10S. The solid spruce top will improve with age, the the folk-type body will probably be more to your liking...

I have one which I'm considering selling to get another Washburn, 'cause I find the neck too narrow for my somewhat fat fingers!!

Let me know if you might be interested.  It's literally like new. I live in Florida, so could ship...

Larry



Larry,

Thanks for the offer. I really ended up being wowed by the Seagull parlor. I am sure yours is a very nice guitar. I hope you find it a happy owner.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 27, 2008, 11:56:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Arzy

ship, I've played some Simon & Patrick models over the years, and they really have a narrower neck feel than the standard Seagulls. The present spec, at least, for the S&P models is 1.72 at the nut. They (S&P) all have solid tops, at least nowadays, and they do have folk models (for example, this (http://www.simonandpatrick.com/vintageburstfolk.htm)).

And the Seagull folk has a very wide nut (bad news for countrylady), so actually among the Godin acoustics, the Simon & Patrick folk or one of the solid-top Art & Lutherie folks (not all of the A&L ones have solid tops) might be the best bet for countrylady unless she really likes the booming dread sound--the folk guitar sound would be more boxy. (I'm not sure about the Norman nut widths, so I'm leaving them out--others here might have that information.)



Hi Arzy,

Since you didn't mention the Seagull Coastline Grand Parlor, I hope I didn't misinterpret something about its smaller size since I have bought one.[:p]

What do you think of it?


Title: Model # D10N
Post by: ship of fools on January 28, 2008, 06:39:58 AM
Funny thing is RGG and I where just talking about you last night, and no I don't mind that you got something else, this is a music forum and I am glad you are going to stick around, you are quite the Lady,and some.louis

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Title: Model # D10N
Post by: larrylee13 on January 29, 2008, 12:34:28 AM
We'd like to see pictures!!!


quote:
Originally posted by countrylady

quote:
Originally posted by Dreadman

....and my apologies to CountryLady for all of this coming up in your thread. This forum has had a balance problem for a while now and it shows up from time to time in inopportune places. Generally a fun bunch though - feel free to ignore the crap, join in or chastise us all! Through it all though you will find plenty of answers and helpful information.





[:)] I accept your apology dread. I think it's best to take an opportunity to hammer out an agreement than to let disagreements fester.

I wonder though, since I didn't buy a washburn do I have to leave the forum? [:(]



Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 29, 2008, 04:41:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ship of fools

Funny thing is RGG and I where just talking about you last night, and no I don't mind that you got something else, this is a music forum and I am glad you are going to stick around, you are quite the Lady,and some.louis




Well, gosh, thanks. I am very flattered. You have all been very nice and patient with me.[:D]

I am looking forward to learning from you more experienced than I, (which is everyone.. )[:D]

Actually, I am loving practicing.. my fourth class is tonight. I am starting to get a decent set of corns on my fingers from the old borrowed Harmony I'm playing.

BTW, my name is Pat.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 29, 2008, 04:51:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by larrylee13

We'd like to see pictures!!!








Hi Larry,

I'll be pleased to post pictures when it arrives. I am quite impatiently waiting!

Sunday I ordered a new gig bag, a guitar stand, a music stand, some cool picks.. more than i will use in years probably but enough so I can change around and pick with different ones, a pick bag, a pick holder that sticks on the guitar (is that ok to do) a Johnny Cash song book, from Musician's Friend, and a scale book from eBay.

I have questions about other things to get, but will search the archives and other threads first.

Thanks for the nice welcome.

Pat[:)]
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: 1 Cal on January 29, 2008, 05:28:53 PM
countrylady,
looking at your list I immediately thought... why a gig bag Vs a hard case?  And what about a tuner (unless you have perfect pitch [:0])?
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 29, 2008, 05:49:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 1 Cal

countrylady,
looking at your list I immediately thought... why a gig bag Vs a hard case?  And what about a tuner (unless you have perfect pitch [:0])?



Good questions. The gig bag because I paid more for the guitar than I had in my budget. Sea Gull has a new case out I will get eventually. The only place I will be taking it for awhile will be my class so it should be pretty safe til I get a hard case.

 and my instructor bought tuners and I will buy one from her. Anything else you can think of? Thanks for the ideas. [:D]

Pat
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: 1 Cal on January 30, 2008, 06:33:20 PM
Hey Pat

Don't forget your Planet Waves Pro-Winder (http://www.rggmusic.com/pd_planet_waves.cfm) ready for your first string change.  And obviously a spare set of strings would be a good idea. [;)]
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on January 31, 2008, 12:13:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by 1 Cal

Hey Pat

Don't forget your Planet Waves Pro-Winder (http://www.rggmusic.com/pd_planet_waves.cfm) ready for your first string change.  And obviously a spare set of strings would be a good idea. [;)]



Ok, now I need to learn about strings and what the best kind to use on my guitar is. I know nothing about strings. I'll check out the pro-winder.

Thanks.

Pat
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Pike on January 31, 2008, 01:54:25 AM
quote:

Ok, now I need to learn about strings and what the best kind to use on my guitar is.
D'Addario EJ16's are nice for the price. I like Martin Acoustic SP's MSP4100's too. Both are phosphor bronze lights. The Martins are a little spendy, but worth it.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on February 04, 2008, 12:41:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pike

quote:

Ok, now I need to learn about strings and what the best kind to use on my guitar is.
D'Addario EJ16's are nice for the price. I like Martin Acoustic SP's MSP4100's too. Both are phosphor bronze lights. The Martins are a little spendy, but worth it.



Hi Pike,

Thanks for the info. I have made a note of both those kinds of strings. Can you tell me anything about types of strings? Why a person would want one type over another? Thanks.

Pat
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Pike on February 04, 2008, 12:54:44 PM
Just the differences in tonal qualities they provide. Heavier strings produce a little more volume, lighter strings are easier to play. There are so many different variations, phosphor bronze, 80-20 bronze, coated, etc. Do an internet search, there's a lot of info out there.

This might help.
http://www.maurysmusic.com/guitar_string_reviews
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: countrylady on February 04, 2008, 10:40:47 PM
Ok, thanks. I did discover this guitar comes with phosphor bronze.

It came today and I can hardly put it down. It is pretty and plays really, really nice. So much easier than the old guitar I had borrowed for class and practice til this one arrived. I LOVE it.
Title: Model # D10N
Post by: Pike on February 05, 2008, 12:36:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by countrylady

Ok, thanks. I did discover this guitar comes with phosphor bronze.

It came today and I can hardly put it down. It is pretty and plays really, really nice. So much easier than the old guitar I had borrowed for class and practice til this one arrived. I LOVE it.

Right on Pat, good for you!
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