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Post by: luvmyshiner on March 04, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
It's nice to see old friends again.
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Post by: I am the walrus on March 04, 2008, 09:36:50 PM
GEO,

That's the way it is around here.  I, unlike Shiner, choose not to use my old sign on.  It's more for the simple fact that the sign-on will no longer be used here.  

I also do not plan on sticking around.  I wasn't trying to stir things up, only prove that the trouble did not leave, it's still here.  I don't need to name people, everyone knows who they are.

For the record, most people that left are not happy with their decision, but were pushed into making the decision based on the atmosphere here and the vulgar, degrading e-mail they received.  Fortunately no one deleted it and the little man is going to have some serious explaining to do.  Most likely Washburn will be sitting right beside the little man.  They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.

So before this thread is also deleted, good luck.

Oh, since this thread has been copied, have fun with your delete button little man.
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Post by: wrmurphy on March 04, 2008, 11:20:54 PM
I also respect that Walrus, and I agree wholeheartedly with Shiners comments. I never had much to say on the forum but i got a lot of advice. Lunaray was right, this forum has lost its personality.

Murph
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Post by: KrisH on March 05, 2008, 07:00:36 AM
Just peeking.  Both of the last two posts I made were deleted.  One was to remind the moderator about the new diktat in a thread devoted to bashing P-Hill.  That also warranted a sarcastic email from the fool.  The other was a response to Sad thanking jwalter for reprinting Pike's old posts.  The post read, in toto, If you can't keep the scholar, lock up his books.  Gone down the memory hole.
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Post by: millenium on March 05, 2008, 08:04:18 AM
I agree with some of the arguments mentionned here... BUT... I always be the cool neutral guy, but this time THIS HAS TO STOP.... To all those washburn refugge from THE FRET forum... if you don't like to be here anymore so just don't come back. I don't see the purpose of coming here on an different nickname just to keep the fire alive. I don't think that people here do the same thing on your forum !!! I've go to the other forum to salutes everyone (my washburns friend)...I've done it an gently way !!! no attack, no messing around...

That been said, I haven't been part of those personality war that been here. It is a sad thing, a good friendship was here before. Now it is not possible anymore, I don't care who's fault it is !!!

VERY IMPORTANT... I still consider the refugge as friend... I read your dissapointment concerning the moderator here. And respect your point of view and opinions.

If some of refugge want to be part of those 2 forum, That is okay with me... ANYONE are welcome here to chat about guitars, you are free to come here as you want and post GUITAR related subject...
If some of refugge decide to ban this place, so fine and enjoy THE FRET !!!!

That being said, that was just my personnal opinion. I don't take part of this debate generaly.. But as a french speaking person, I hope that my point of view is understandable... don't want to be misunderstood !!!
I don't have many forum to go discuss about guitars... This is the place I discover 2 years ago, feel welcome, and start participate... I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS....

So.... Bonne continuité à tout le monde...
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Post by: gregjones on March 05, 2008, 08:18:46 AM
I love the French speaking Canadians and the interpertation differences.  I used to go across Canada just because I liked it better than going across New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio.  Scoot across the border and head east--west whichever.

A few years ago a Canadian border guard was asking me the regular 20 questions----do you have any of this and that type.  He asked Do you own any firearms?  I told him hell yes, I'm from the south.  His eyes got big and he had me pull over to the side.  About three or four officers came out and the one who spoke English ask me about the guns I had in the truck.  I told him I didn't have any.  Finally it came out that the young officer was meaning to ask if I had any firearms in my possession, which I didn't, but instead asked if I owned any, which I do--so I told the truth and said yes.

After a big laugh, I was on my way to Duluth----across Canada.

[:)]

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got eight strings.

My correct email is gregajones@hotmail.com
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Post by: millenium on March 05, 2008, 08:24:52 AM
loll greg... héhéhé... Don't mess with french canadian border officer !!! funny story of yours !
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Post by: Toaster20 on March 05, 2008, 08:35:55 AM
It's good to see some of you checking in.

Two things can happen here. We can really break it down, find the problem and solve it. Or we can reopen the old wounds and start the next battle of the same old war.

I'll bet if we could all get into a room and talk through this like adults, we'd find the common ground that brought us here to begin with. Solving this through posting and email is really hard and hasn't worked at all.

Do we need to be overmoderated? No, I don't think so.
Can we run with no rules at all? No, that won't work either.

We just need to find the right balance and we need to work at treating people respectfully, and we'll get it back again. War is over if you want it.

Dave

PS.  Does anyone think this thread will turn into the usual flame war?  Let's watch and see ...

________________________
Dave
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Post by: millenium on March 05, 2008, 08:40:06 AM
I'm with you Toaster... Heuu... That is real, I'm not in ANY war !!! Just want to enjoy this place with WHOEVER want to participate the RIGHT way !!!
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Post by: SAJay on March 05, 2008, 09:02:41 AM
Well ***** (yes *****, a bunch of squaking ****) this whole thing is BS.
I am a newbie and thought I had found a good place to talk music and guitars but I guess I came along just in time for the feud.

I have tried over the last couple of weeks to become involved with topics and comments but it seems to only come back to a thread about pointing fingers and a witch hunt.

Here is my take: I believe that this falls squarely on browndog and the ownership of this forum. If you do not do something to solve this problem, whether it be appoint a new moderator (nothing against you ship, 1on1 to me you have been fine but I don't know the history or want to) or clean out all the troublemakers (you know who you are, I don't) then this board will not PROVIDE the environment that was intended and will become known as just another BS site to bitch and moan. Your reputation will make or break you!!!

I came here for the right reasons, music and guitars, only to have to listen to the constant bickering.

Someone has to clean up the chicken coup so do your job browndog and ownership and restore some sanity to this or I, like others will not stay long because you are NOT providing the service that was intended.

If I wanted to listen to a bunch of ***** bitch and moan then I can go hang out at the local ****** ****** which would be more entertaining.
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Post by: gregjones on March 05, 2008, 09:07:57 AM
[^]

There are but a few newbies.  Makes you wonder how many just looked around, said Holy crap!!!, and bought an Epiphone.

[xx(]

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got eight strings.

My correct email is gregajones@hotmail.com
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Post by: Mike Beatty on March 05, 2008, 09:09:42 AM
I guess it's time for me to step in here and make a statement or two.

1. I've asked those of you who have accused Louis of sending inappropriate e-mails to forward those emails to me. Until I have actual evidence showing otherwise, I have to believe that Louis has NOT engaged in inappropriate behavior.

2. As far as deleting threads, I ahve asked that threads he deems inappropriate be locked and then I will decide if they should be deleted. I can count on one hand the number times I have asked that he delete a thread and it was usually because I was directed to do so from higher up the food chain here.

3. All former members that have not been banned are welcome back under their old name or a new name if they'd like. LEt's stop worrying about who is posting as who now and treat every new member with respect and good grace until they prove they deserve otherwise. If you're point in returning is to stir the pot that will not be tolerated.

4. This forum is intended for the discussion of Washburn guitars and other products. Topics that fall far outside of this purview will not be tolerated.

Any questions comments etc, feel free to send me a PM.


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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 09:26:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

LEt's stop worrying about who is posting as who now and treat every new member with respect and good grace until they prove they deserve otherwise.
How would you recommend we treat them then???
Edited for spelling.
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 09:41:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by millenium

I agree with some of the arguments mentionned here... BUT... I always be the cool neutral guy, but this time THIS HAS TO STOP.... To all those washburn refugge from THE FRET forum... if you don't like to be here anymore so just don't come back. I don't see the purpose of coming here on an different nickname just to keep the fire alive. I don't think that people here do the same thing on your forum !!! I've go to the other forum to salutes everyone (my washburns friend)...I've done it an gently way !!! no attack, no messing around...

That been said, I haven't been part of those personality war that been here. It is a sad thing, a good friendship was here before. Now it is not possible anymore, I don't care who's fault it is !!!

VERY IMPORTANT... I still consider the refugge as friend... I read your dissapointment concerning the moderator here. And respect your point of view and opinions.

If some of refugge want to be part of those 2 forum, That is okay with me... ANYONE are welcome here to chat about guitars, you are free to come here as you want and post GUITAR related subject...
If some of refugge decide to ban this place, so fine and enjoy THE FRET !!!!

That being said, that was just my personnal opinion. I don't take part of this debate generaly.. But as a french speaking person, I hope that my point of view is understandable... don't want to be misunderstood !!!
I don't have many forum to go discuss about guitars... This is the place I discover 2 years ago, feel welcome, and start participate... I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS....

So.... Bonne continuité à tout le monde...

yan
millenium
ANOTHER PROUD MEMBER OF THE MILLENIUM BRIGADE


No disrespect intended Yan, but it's easy to be neutral when you personally haven't been affected by this. You see, everybody, more than anything, would like to talk guitars here without heavy-handed moderation or harassing emails.

You're a member of The Fret too, where 30 or so Washies are coexisting peacefully. Yet, you return, like me and others, to be here in the middle of this rift. Why? I like to think it's because we all love Washburns.

There's a couple here that are not members of The Fret...kind of makes you wonder who really is the problem.
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Post by: nodehopper on March 05, 2008, 09:42:38 AM
I came here for to share my purchase of a new Washburn Parlor and to get advice regarding its condition when I finally received it.

First off I want to state that Stacy and Mike were excellent in responding to my customer service call....thank you guys. I also want to thank ship for suggesting I call them.

Wow this forum is a mess and based on the bit of reading I have done I just want to say that it has tainted everything here. To the point I don't even trust the advice I was given by forum members regarding my guitar. While both Washburn Customer Service and a local guitar tech say it looks fine I get replies saying it is screwed and I should return it. Then I see the same forum members flaming away in other threads. I have to stop and wonder if I am getting negative advice just to sour a new person to the forum here. I am not interested in taking the time to figure it out and those threads seem to be gone anyways, so I just feel that posting here is pretty worthless.

The only good advice I got was from ship suggesting I contact Customer Service.....otherwise I was basically ignored and or feel I was possibly used as a pawn in what ever Cat Fight is going on.

What a waste of a decent forum.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

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Martin D 16 H

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Post by: gregjones on March 05, 2008, 10:00:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

4. This forum is intended for the discussion of Washburn guitars and other products. Topics that fall far outside of this purview will not be tolerated.


The point to remember.

This is a promotional tool for Washburn.  They own it and it is a reflection of their product for the world to see.  They set the standards under which it operates according to their wishes, whims, desires and needs.

It's easy to fall in and feel at home with the great group of guys (and a gal or two) we had.  But, this is not our house.  Nor is it a democracy---it has a king----U.S. Music Corp.

It exists not for our pleasure, but to suit the needs of Washburn.  Sure, we help fulfill that need with our advice and comments---but we are still under their thumb.  It's their image to the world we are playing with.

I feel Washburn has been more than acceptably tolerant with all of this during the past several weeks.  I'd have shut the forum down.

U.S. Music Corp. pays Mike to do a lot more important tasks than babysit.

It would do us all well to remember this.

[:)]



It don't mean a thing if it ain't got eight strings.

My correct email is gregajones@hotmail.com
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Post by: Lunaray on March 05, 2008, 10:05:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SAJay

Well GIRLS (yes girls, a bunch of squaking hens) this whole thing is BS.
I am a newbie and thought I had found a good place to talk music and guitars but I guess I came along just in time for the feud.

I have tried over the last couple of weeks to become involved with topics and comments but it seems to only come back to a thread about pointing fingers and a witch hunt.

Here is my take: I believe that this falls squarely on browndog and the ownership of this forum. If you do not do something to solve this problem, whether it be appoint a new moderator (nothing against you ship, 1on1 to me you have been fine but I don't know the history or want to) or clean out all the troublemakers (you know who you are, I don't) then this board will not PROVIDE the environment that was intended and will become known as just another BS site to bitch and moan. Your reputation will make or break you!!!

I came here for the right reasons, music and guitars, only to have to listen to the constant bickering.

Someone has to clean up the chicken coup so do your job browndog and ownership and restore some sanity to this or I, like others will not stay long because you are NOT providing the service that was intended.

If I wanted to listen to a bunch of girls bitch and moan then I can go hang out at the local beauty parlor which would be more entertaining.

If I were a woman, I would be very offended by your pathetic sexist comments, no wait, strike that, I like women and I am very offended by your pathetic sexist comments! Do you have a swastika tatooed on your forhead too?

Ray
www.southforkmtnmusic.com  
Antique Washburn Parlor, Model 5200 (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/362392562_21204d0cd2_o.jpg)
Music is best when it's played around a campfire!
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 10:07:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

To the point I don't even trust the advice I was given by forum members regarding my guitar. While both Washburn Customer Service and a local guitar tech say it looks fine I get replies saying it is screwed and I should return it. Then I see the same forum members flaming away in other threads. I have to stop and wonder if I am getting negative advice just to sour a new person to the forum here. I am not interested in taking the time to figure it out and those threads seem to be gone anyways, so I just feel that posting here is pretty worthless.

What a waste of a decent forum.
It's headed that way.



Let me ask you a question Node. Did you think that there maybe something wrong? Your instincts were pretty good. Just from the picture, it looks as if your top is sunken or concave. Is this normal? No, usually the sign of low humidity. Is a little bit of movement normal for solid tops? Yes, because they are sensitive to humidity and temperature changes. Do I think the movement in your top is more than a little bit or abnormal? Yes. Is there a difference between a guitar tech and luthier? Tons. Do a google search for sunken or concave top, include guitar in your search string.
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Post by: magoo99 on March 05, 2008, 10:09:56 AM
Thanks  For trying BD...WASHBURN has new mandolins
I know ya don't care...LOL

I LIKE CHEESE...LOL
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Post by: millenium on March 05, 2008, 10:16:06 AM
Strumalot... no effenses taken... I can take your comments. I just wanted to say my point of view. I understand that maybe some of you have been hurt personnaly from the moderator acting. Offline trashtalking might get the opposition stronger. I totally disapprouve harrassing e-mail.. Even if I'm not concern, I know that some of you probably says things hurtfull from each other !

It is right that I don't have been include in this rumble, and god thanks for it !!! but I'm here everyday, and most of the discussion here is fighting. That ain't interresting for me... and as some new member says, they feel the tension here...

PLEASE, I don't want U.S. corp to close this place, let's give time !

I give you an big hand shake my friend and you're right LET'S TALK GUITARS...
and for Maggoo !! LET'S TALK MANDOLINS !!!
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Post by: magoo99 on March 05, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
LMAO Thanks Yan...ya got to go look at washburns new mandolins...Even if ya don't play one you have to admit the 118sw and 116sw are nice looking well built mandolins.
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Post by: millenium on March 05, 2008, 10:41:39 AM
Maggoo... I play mandolins.. Don't own one actually, but I'll buy another one one day... Now, I must tell that I don't pretend playing mandolins perfectly. Probably not as your level. But, I've played it for fun. I like tickle it in guitar store. I once record a song with mandolins tracks... Don't have the file now, maybe old member forum still got it on their PC... that was in the How to share a song threat in general section I think !!!
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Post by: mrmudcat on March 05, 2008, 11:08:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

I guess it's time for me to step in here and make a statement or two.

1. I've asked those of you who have accused Louis of sending inappropriate e-mails to forward those emails to me. Until I have actual evidence showing otherwise, I have to believe that Louis has NOT engaged in inappropriate behavior.

I did just that recently,you even replied asking if it was safe to open the forwarding email at work.You then said it wasnt right and you would speak to your boy.I can post the reply to my email if you like.Lets be clear mike are you saying now publically you havent recieved any evidence of inappropiate emails and that louis hasnt engaged in this behavior?  
Frankly I forgot you sent an attachment and the email got deleted before I had a chance to look at it. The rest of the email was void of content so I have no way of knowing what kind of vulgarity you are talking about. If you forward teh attachment to me I will look at it.

2. As far as deleting threads, I ahve asked that threads he deems inappropriate be locked and then I will decide if they should be deleted. I can count on one hand the number times I have asked that he delete a thread and it was usually because I was directed to do so from higher up the food chain here.

Wow so only a handful of threads have been deleted from ship ok so what happened to the who knows how many  other deletions?? Sorry mike but simply a naive statement as anyone here knows the truth.

[Not what I said. I said I have only requested taht a couple of threads be deleted. Guess I wasn't clear./blue]
3. All former members that have not been banned are welcome back under their old name or a new name if they'd like. Let's stop worrying about who is posting as who now and treat every new member with respect and good grace until they prove they deserve otherwise. If your point in returning is to stir the pot that will not be tolerated.

My point in returning is to  point out the B.S.
That's not needed. For that reason you've been removed from this site

4. This forum is intended for the discussion of Washburn guitars and other products. Topics that fall far outside of this purview will not be tolerated.

Not this again ,maybe one should look in-house to see if this rule/law is being enforced
I will make sure that happens.

Any questions comments etc, feel free to send me a PM.

After being told everone that left were just trouble makers along with some other statements(not a direct quote) I blocked you from my email.Alot of good people left even ones who were very chummy with louis but yet they were all classified as easily replaced.Now you reply here stating you have seen no evidence of wrong doing and louis has done nothing wrong along with hiding your head up your ...errr I mean in the sand has really opened my eyes to the problem.The fact you are going to do nothing about it despite im sure more evidence than just mine obviously points out your grasp/lack of on the severity of email harrasment and vulgar spam emails.The fact it originated from a usmusic rep,it is illegal ,makes me wonder why you wouldnt acknowledge it publically [:(]

No one has offered up ANY evindence of inappropriate emails sent by Louis other than teh attachment that you sent which I didn't view before it was accidentally deleted.



Mike Beatty
Customer Service Manager
U.S. Music Corp.


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Post by: KrisH on March 05, 2008, 11:14:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lunaray

If I were a woman, I would be very offended by your pathetic sexist comments, no wait, strike that, I like women and I am very offended by your pathetic sexist comments! Do you have a swastika tatooed on your forhead too?


Speaking only for myself, it was quite offensive -- especially seeing as it was meant as an insult.  Remember: your mother was a woman!  How little regard do you hold her in?

By the way, I never said I was leaving, just stopped posting to see how everything shook out.  It is possible to be be in 2 (or 3 or 4) places at once.
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Post by: Mike Beatty on March 05, 2008, 12:02:17 PM
Ooops. I didn't mean to edit Mrmudcats post but rather reply to it. The comments in blue are mine.
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Post by: sad_fingers on March 05, 2008, 12:18:40 PM
Do I say my goodbyes to everyone now? As the way things are going I will be loosing a lot of friends, I've already lost some to The Fret.....

I am guilty as many others of stepping out of line and was prepared to take the consequences, however as I am still here, I have chosen not to reply to some rather nasty and childish threads that where put up a day or so ago some aimed at me. But thats in the past.[|)]

I will not fuel a fight that is going to inevitably pull this forum down.

I am not an angel here and maybe sometimes I do need to put a filter between my brain and the keyboard ( I ain't got much brain though[:D][:D]))

As I said in a previous post I would love to see all the guys and girls back irrespective of past issues.

I have only a couple of real loves in life ( behave[:D] ) and one is my love of Washburn guitars and this forum ( I don't want to lose the forum ) but the way things are going thats what will happen.

If we all truly love Washburn guitars and have this forums welfare at heart then it is time to accept many of us have made mistakes, but to keep it going now will just add to the growing pressure which in turn will destroy the forum. ( I don't want that DO YOU? )

If so! I would just like to say on the whole it's been a pleasure chatting and gaining loads of support and info from people.

And wherever you find yourselves in life take care and goodbye.

If the forum survives this I would like to welcome all new members to what is a great place to be.

Regards & Respect SAD[:(]



My Girls

Washburn D10SCE
Washburn W166 Pro

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Post by: SAJay on March 05, 2008, 12:20:54 PM
quote:
KrisH     Posted - 03/05/2008 : 11:14:13 AM

    quote:Originally posted by Lunaray

    If I were a woman, I would be very offended by your pathetic sexist comments, no wait, strike that, I like women and I am very offended by your pathetic sexist comments! Do you have a swastika tatooed on your forhead too?


Speaking only for myself, it was quite offensive -- especially seeing as it was meant as an insult. Remember: your mother was a woman! How little regard do you hold her in?

By the way, I never said I was leaving, just stopped posting to see how everything shook out. It is possible to be be in 2 (or 3 or 4) places at once.


Oh please, grow up everyone!
You should be embarrassed at your behaviour but instead you are offended by the comparison.

This is a total joke, listen to yourselves, act your age, wise up and act you age. If you are offended then it is you that have the problem.

I have better things to do than this so have a frustrating life.

Over and out of here!
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Post by: workknot on March 05, 2008, 12:26:10 PM
As a new member, I feel whomever the moderators are have every right to stop any flaming or personal attacks on each other in this forum. Why cannot everyone just agree to disagree and move on with life. I am here to learn about music and instruments and in my opinion much of this is just not adult behavior for a Washburn Guitar Forum. Those who keep this alive need find something better to do with there life.
Regards; Pop's

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Post by: onewilyfool on March 05, 2008, 01:28:21 PM
When I first came to this forum, it was to ask information about an antique Washburn guitar. I was welcomed warmly as a new member. A guy named PIKE took me under his wing, and introduced me to some people who were in the know about the old Washburns. I learned that a fire destroyed most of the Records of the old Washburn factory, and that the new owners really just took over the old name from a company that had abandoned operations. The new company, US Music Corp, couldn't help me at all. When I posted pics of my guitar, two other guys posted pics that enabled me to verify by the Herringbone pattern that this was indeed a Washburn/Lyon and Healy guitar. A guy named Keef, who has written a book about the old Washburns, was able to identify and date my guitar!!! I enjoyed the humor and ribbing of the posts, and really this Forum is HEAD and SHOULDERS above most of the others. I was actually sent a very aggressive message from a monitor of the Taylor Forum, because I asked a guy what he payed for his Guitar?????? Other forums are very clique-ish, and I wound up feeling not part of the in crowd This group represents a wealth of knowledge and support for Washburn guitars and music and guitars in general. I think because of this comraderie, I purchased a couple of more Washburns (R308S and R316) which I enjoy greatly and enjoy sharing about in this forum. I miss Pike, I miss that general warm fuzzy feeling I got following the links, and participating in the back and forth.  So guys......please remember, everything written in this forum is JUST AN OPINION!!!! And all opinions are equal. Nothing more, nothing less.....just little words on a screen.....LITTLE WORDS ON A SCREEN!!!! lol......what on earth is there to get upset about???? Surely any upset has to be in the eye of the beholder......just little words......Let's keep sharing with enthusiasm and inspiration.....this is a great place....let's keep it that way!!! This is one of the best guitar forums going.

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Post by: SilentLegume on March 05, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
I'm relatively new here, but looking back , I note that one of the threads I posted in seems to have been deleted... In it I did no bashing but merely mentioned that a guitar sold on eBay (by a store w/ an initial for a first name, let's call it A. Bluff) was being sold as new despite an obvious scar on the side.  

Hell, do you know how many times people respond to people's problems with Musician's Friend with a not-so-subtle bash on MF?

I really like to consider myself part of the Washburn community, but if my time on the board ends with my few messages being deleted, then what's the point?

--SilentL

WI64/TR w/ GFS pickups
WI64 Proto w/ Quilt Red Sunburst (no VCC or BF, more like a WI46 in size/shape)
D11/AN
D10/WHT
D100M/TR
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by workknot

As a new member, I feel whomever the moderators are have every right to stop any flaming or personal attacks on each other


Who then stops the moderator from this?
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SAJay

Well ***** (yes *****, a bunch of squaking ****) this whole thing is BS.
I am a newbie and thought I had found a good place to talk music and guitars but I guess I came along just in time for the feud.

I have tried over the last couple of weeks to become involved with topics and comments but it seems to only come back to a thread about pointing fingers and a witch hunt.

Here is my take: I believe that this falls squarely on browndog and the ownership of this forum. If you do not do something to solve this problem, whether it be appoint a new moderator (nothing against you ship, 1on1 to me you have been fine but I don't know the history or want to) or clean out all the troublemakers (you know who you are, I don't) then this board will not PROVIDE the environment that was intended and will become known as just another BS site to bitch and moan. Your reputation will make or break you!!!

I came here for the right reasons, music and guitars, only to have to listen to the constant bickering.

Someone has to clean up the chicken coup so do your job browndog and ownership and restore some sanity to this or I, like others will not stay long because you are NOT providing the service that was intended.

If I wanted to listen to a bunch of ***** bitch and moan then I can go hang out at the local ****** ****** which would be more entertaining.

Griping about all the griping.

Pot and Kettle.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: nodehopper on March 05, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by strumsalot

quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

To the point I don't even trust the advice I was given by forum members regarding my guitar. While both Washburn Customer Service and a local guitar tech say it looks fine I get replies saying it is screwed and I should return it. Then I see the same forum members flaming away in other threads. I have to stop and wonder if I am getting negative advice just to sour a new person to the forum here. I am not interested in taking the time to figure it out and those threads seem to be gone anyways, so I just feel that posting here is pretty worthless.

What a waste of a decent forum.
It's headed that way.



Let me ask you a question Node. Did you think that there maybe something wrong? Your instincts were pretty good. Just from the picture, it looks as if your top is sunken or concave. Is this normal? No, usually the sign of low humidity. Is a little bit of movement normal for solid tops? Yes, because they are sensitive to humidity and temperature changes. Do I think the movement in your top is more than a little bit or abnormal? Yes. Is there a difference between a guitar tech and luthier? Tons. Do a google search for sunken or concave top, include guitar in your search string.

Chad
My Guits (http://www.washburn.com/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=9144)



So you are saying that Stacy and Mike (Stacy told me he would get Mikes opinion) after looking at the same picture you did are doing what when they respond it is OK and normal? Are you calling them liars?

I have googled and everything I am seeing showing dryness problems, the concave behind the bridge in the lower bout where there is less bracing. On mine the concave is in front of the bridge directly over the X in the X bracing....meaning there is significant support for the top in that area.

Again with all the hostility and turmoil on this forum I just don't know who to trust so my instinct is not to trust anyone here. I probably should have just posted my questions over on the UMGF ....even though it is a washburn I am sure I would have gotten a lot more feedback.

So if Mike or Stacy see this and feel I am unclear: Based upon Stacy and Mikes evaluation of the photograph and the lifetime warranty. My dated receipt, UPS tracking showing when I accepted delivery and the dated email response from Washburn and Stacy telling me that if there is a problem it is under warranty. I am going to keep my Washburn Parlor and hope for the best.

I hope you all decide to make these forums an inviting place for people to post and read!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 01:49:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SAJay

Oh please, grow up everyone!
You should be embarrassed at your behaviour but instead you are offended by the comparison.

This is a total joke, listen to yourselves, act your age, wise up and act you age. If you are offended then it is you that have the problem.
Sounds to me as if someone has taken offense. Who, has the problem?
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: onewilyfool on March 05, 2008, 01:52:19 PM
Node.....I hope you have HOURS and HOURS of fun and enjoyment playing your guitar....
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 02:16:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

So you are saying that Stacy and Mike (Stacy told me he would get Mikes opinion) after looking at the same picture you did are doing what when they respond it is OK and normal? Are you calling them liars?

I have googled and everything I am seeing showing dryness problems, the concave behind the bridge in the lower bout where there is less bracing. On mine the concave is in front of the bridge directly over the X in the X bracing....meaning there is significant support for the top in that area.

Again with all the hostility and turmoil on this forum I just don't know who to trust so my instinct is not to trust anyone here. I probably should have just posted my questions over on the UMGF ....even though it is a washburn I am sure I would have gotten a lot more feedback.

So if Mike or Stacy see this and feel I am unclear: Based upon Stacy and Mikes evaluation of the photograph and the lifetime warranty. My dated receipt, UPS tracking showing when I accepted delivery and the dated email response from Washburn and Stacy telling me that if there is a problem it is under warranty. I am going to keep my Washburn Parlor and hope for the best.
Not calling anyone liars.

I just don't think it's normal, as did Geo, 29er, and mrboult. Even the tech at Washburn said, that it looks to be normal. He then went on to say, you should probably look inside with a inspection mirror and flashlight to be 100% certain there is nothing unusual going on here. If you don't know what to look for, I suggest taking it to a luthier.


From Washburns Website - Warranty Page

What is not covered:

Instruments that have been modified after original shipment from the Washburn factory.
 
Instruments whose serial numbers have been altered or removed.

Instruments that have been subjected to extreme humidity or temperature conditions.

Instruments that have been damaged due to misuse, neglect, or accident. .

Normal wear and tear to serviceable parts such as strings, tuning machines, electronic controls and frets.

Instruments that have been purchased from an unauthorized Washburn dealer.

Warranty claims by anyone other than the original purchaser.

Freight charges to and from the factory or authorized service center for customer owned goods.

Any and all charges incurred from priority service requests (Rush Service) or priority shipping for replacement parts.

Any and all charges if no problem is found
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 05, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

Again with all the hostility and turmoil on this forum I just don't know who to trust so my instinct is not to trust anyone here.



Nodehopper, I sincerely doubt that anyone here has given you any bogus advice.  Despite what catfighting has ensued on this forum, it has been my experience in the slightly less than a year I've been a member here that everyone, to a person, who has given me advice has been well meaning.  I've frequently provided advice and suggestions on this forum, hoping only to help someone who enjoys this pursuit in which we have all engaged, and having gotten advice from many of those who have now departed this forum I would bet a paycheck that they were not attempting to sabatoge the forum--they were all very knowledgable and the advice they gave was spot on, IMHO.  

Re: the catfighting you've seen going on, those issues do not seem to be related to the forum in general, but seem to be personal issues between a few of the members who chose to air their laundry in public rather than privately, which IMHO is the way in which those disputes should have been discussed.  I'm terribly saddened at the loss of our forum friends, and all I have to say (similar to what Yan has to say) is that I don't have to attend every argument to which I am invited is a pretty good attitude to practice in regards to that issue.  

Just curious, too, if anyone has noticed that there is a new moderator, or if there was more than one I didn't know it.  Look for deltacaster, 5001 posts, been a member since 10/4/05, but only posted on one thread recently, and that was today.  

Hmmmmmm.......I'm hoping deltacaster will post a thread introducing himself.  Did a search for non-archived posts and it looks like deltacaster hasn't posted in any thread that was active since August, 2007, until today.  

So, deltacaster, how about introducing yourself, or better yet, post a bio on What makes you tick on the General Discussion board--I'm sure we're all going to want to know more about you!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 02:38:08 PM
Good questions Geo.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 03:30:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

Just curious, too, if anyone has noticed that there is a new moderator, or if there was more than one I didn't know it.  Look for deltacaster, 5001 posts, been a member since 10/4/05, but only posted on one thread recently, and that was today.  

Hmmmmmm.......I'm hoping deltacaster will post a thread introducing himself.  Did a search for non-archived posts and it looks like deltacaster hasn't posted in any thread that was active since August, 2007, until today.  

So, deltacaster, how about introducing yourself, or better yet, post a bio on What makes you tick on the General Discussion board--I'm sure we're all going to want to know more about you!



Noticed that too, Dugly.

BTW have you made any progress on the 61?
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: sad_fingers on March 05, 2008, 03:47:43 PM
Ship has stepped down as the moderator, as he felt it was better for the forum if he past the role onto someone who is not as personally involved.

Moderating is a tough job, I know as I am a class A referee with my association and a class B with the World karate & kick boxing association and the post is an unforgiving post.

I know Ship will be around and will be back posting soon once things settle down and I for one will bid him a warm welcome back as I would hope any other adult would on the forum.

Regards SAD

My Girls

Washburn D10SCE
Washburn W166 Pro

-------------------------------
Quote

The way to learn to do things is to do things.

- Benjamin Franklin
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 05, 2008, 04:07:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by strumsalot

BTW have you made any progress on the 61?
Chad



I've been playing the '61 now for almost a month.  I got tired of seeing it sit there waiting for the luthier to find time to work on it, so I cut up one of those fake plastic credit cards that comes with many of the credit card come-ons you get in the mail and used a slice of that to shim between the forward margin of the saddle slot and that bizarre plastic saddle.  It eliminated the slop and now the saddle chicklets sit perfectly perpindicular to the top rather than angled forward.  I'll still have the luthier make an envelope to hold a more standard saddle, but for now it sounds beautiful as an acoustic (the pickup and electronics actually work, but I don't care for the sound--I suspect there may actually be some damage to that old pickup, or perhaps it is just my amp, but it's too shrill and metallic).

I might make Pearl in April, how bout you?  If so, I'll bring it and let you play it--you'll like it!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Rocket on March 05, 2008, 04:11:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

So, deltacaster, how about introducing yourself, or better yet, post a bio on What makes you tick on the General Discussion board--I'm sure we're all going to want to know more about you!

Everybody who's anybody around here knows Stacy!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: sad_fingers on March 05, 2008, 04:14:03 PM
I and many others are obviously nobodies because I and many others don't know anything about this Stacy.



My Girls

Washburn D10SCE
Washburn W166 Pro

-------------------------------
Quote

The way to learn to do things is to do things.

- Benjamin Franklin
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Rocket on March 05, 2008, 04:21:07 PM
Look at his profile and go to his links and learn all about him.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 05, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

So, deltacaster, how about introducing yourself, or better yet, post a bio on What makes you tick on the General Discussion board--I'm sure we're all going to want to know more about you!

Everybody who's anybody around here knows Stacy!



I never claimed to be anybody, Rocket--in actuality, I admitted to being a relative noob--I was just curious, considering all the grief and anxiety that's been passed around on the forum lately, what this person's plan was, and considering that he hasn't posted ANYTHING on the forum at all since well before this whole blow up took place, he might not actually know anything about it, anyway.

It just seems to me that if he hasn't cared enough to post on the forum for 6 months, that he might not have much of an investment in the goings-on here, anyway, but like I said, since I'm a relative noob I missed most of what he posted, anyway--it happened well before I joined, obviously--so I'm still curious to hear from this new moderator.

As I always say, Enquiring minds want to know, you know.

BTW--good to see you back, Rocket!  We've missed you!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: magoo99 on March 05, 2008, 04:22:23 PM
I don't know much about Stacy, but I have heard of Him a few times.
Its hard to welcome Stacy when I figure he has been here a while.
So I'll just say Hi Stacy.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: deltacaster on March 05, 2008, 04:33:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

Quote
Originally posted by YerDugliness

So, deltacaster, how about introducing yourself, or better yet, post a bio on What makes you tick on the General Discussion board--I'm sure we're all going to want to know more about you!

Everybody who's anybody around here knows Stacy!



Sure thing.

First and foremost, I'll dispell the most common misconception.  I'm a DUDE, not a girl.  That should get rid of most interest in who I am here :)  You wouldn't believe the number of emails I get from guys who have sent me their photo's because my name is Stacy.    

I'm customer service for Washburn, going on 3 years now.  Got a pretty good understanding of the product lines, talk to you guys on the phone all day every day, and answer your emails sent through to customer service.  I'm on the frontline, and believe in the product.  Despite the homemade guitars pictured on my myspace page http://www.myspace.com/stacypuckett I still use Washburn electrics and acoustics as well in my own music.

I'll be around keeping an eye on things here, and trying to help where I can.  You want to contact us in a manner more timely than this forum, just send a request through the Washburn website.  We see every one of them and will reply if we can make ANY sense out of the question whatsoever.

Glad to be here, hope to get to know some of you guys better.

Stacy Puckett
Washburn Customer Service
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: onewilyfool on March 05, 2008, 04:33:34 PM
Why can't we all just get along?, Rodney King, 12:15
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Rocket on March 05, 2008, 04:36:36 PM
Sorry deltacaster... that is definitely Off Topic and you'll need to start a new thread. We do have rules, ya know.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

All kidding, of course!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: skip77 on March 05, 2008, 04:37:17 PM
I wasn't planning to post here again but want to say something to Browndog and any Washburn representative about the forum. I have published a number of websites out of my own interest over the years, mostly community service type websites. Some even included a live chat room similar to this forum. I never charged a dime and was happy to provide webspaces where visitors could come without being bombarded by ads and banners and where nothing was asked from them. I paid all fees for domain names and webhosting, bought many software applications along the way, etc, to support the websites. Why is it that we are reminded from time to time that this is a Washburn guitar forum and that discussions too far from the tree or with negative comments about Washburn products are not welcome? Why can't the sponsors of this forum do what little ol me has always done, just create a nice space and let guests say their piece regardless? Wouldn't it be a better statement on behalf of Washburn to allow discussion of any kind so long as it is about guitar playing or products?

I am grateful for all the things I have learned about acoustic guitar here at the WGF. I feel that I have met some new friends and in fact, appreciate all of you. I hope new members will not judge too harshly, the bickering that has taken place. You'd have to be here and walk a mile in all our shoes to really get it and since you can't do that I only ask that you not pass judgement at all. Instead, enjoy the forum and let it go at that. Take care everyone and keep playing those babies!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 05, 2008, 04:43:35 PM
Thanks, deltacaster!

Now, a bit more, what kind of Washburn guits do you play, what kind of music do you like, whereabouts are you located, etc--and welcome back!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: deltacaster on March 05, 2008, 04:52:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

Thanks, deltacaster!

Now, a bit more, what kind of Washburn guits do you play, what kind of music do you like, whereabouts are you located, etc--and welcome back!

Dugly [8D]



I have a J3, HB30TS, WI64TR, T24NM, OG10CETR (Oscar Schmidt) and I'm sure some other bizarre things related with this job (keyboard, violin, ??)  will get more, I'm sure.

Working on more, in in the Chicago area.. ya know.. where Washburn is?  Thanks for the Welcome.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: onewilyfool on March 05, 2008, 05:06:25 PM
SKIP....There is an old Indian saying, Walk a mile in another man's moccasins.... which is really neat, because you will be a mile away from the guy, AND you will have his moccasins!!!!!

Deltacaster.....Welcome, may you moderate with the wisdom of Solomon......
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: KrisH on March 05, 2008, 05:34:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SAJay
Oh please, grow up everyone!
You should be embarrassed at your behaviour but instead you are offended by the comparison.


It wasn't a comparison -- it was an actuality.  There are more than guys on the forum.

-- Kristine
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: KrisH on March 05, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by deltacaster
First and foremost, I'll dispell the most common misconception.  I'm a DUDE, not a girl.

I understand the problem.  In reverse. [:)]

Hello, Stacy!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Lunaray on March 05, 2008, 06:54:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by deltacaster
Sure thing.

First and foremost, I'll dispell the most common misconception.  I'm a DUDE, not a girl.  That should get rid of most interest in who I am here :)  You wouldn't believe the number of emails I get from guys who have sent me their photo's because my name is Stacy.    

I'm customer service for Washburn, going on 3 years now.  Got a pretty good understanding of the product lines, talk to you guys on the phone all day every day, and answer your emails sent through to customer service.  I'm on the frontline, and believe in the product.  Despite the homemade guitars pictured on my myspace page http://www.myspace.com/stacypuckett I still use Washburn electrics and acoustics as well in my own music.

I'll be around keeping an eye on things here, and trying to help where I can.  You want to contact us in a manner more timely than this forum, just send a request through the Washburn website.  We see every one of them and will reply if we can make ANY sense out of the question whatsoever.

Glad to be here, hope to get to know some of you guys better.

Stacy Puckett
Washburn Customer Service


So I guess that's why my long stemmed roses were refused?  I was wondering about that.

Ray
www.southforkmtnmusic.com  
Antique Washburn Parlor, Model 5200 (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/362392562_21204d0cd2_o.jpg)
Music is best when it's played around a campfire!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Rocket on March 05, 2008, 09:43:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by luvmyshiner

It's good to see some old friends again.

Now it smells like methane & tractor fumes... who left the gate open?
Scrape those shoes Shiner!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: nogin007 on March 05, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
Nodehopper, it's normal, from string tension, for a guitar to have a slight bulge below the bridge, and for the guitar to have a slight dip in the area above the bridge. Don't worry too much about your guitar. And I wouldn't worry too much about receiving bad advice from people here. If someone gives out any bad advice, there will be 2 or 3 to correct them. Just play your guitar, and have fun with it. If you need to know something, just ask, even if you might think it silly. You will get an answer.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: deltacaster on March 05, 2008, 10:59:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness
It just seems to me that if he hasn't cared enough to post on the forum for 6 months, that he might not have much of an investment in the goings-on here, anyway, but like I said, since I'm a relative noob I missed most of what he posted, anyway--it happened well before I joined, obviously--so I'm still curious to hear from this new moderator.



If anyone here thinks I'm not aware of what goes on in this forum because I don't post here often, you should probably consider my occupation :)  I talk about what you talk about on here 40 hours a week, etc.

I am one of a very small group of people who field any concern about any instruments we make.  If there is a trend, I know about it.  I have personally played this parlor guitar, and honestly wanted one PRETTY BADLY, but things being what they are personally, it wasn't in the cards right now.  

To my knowledge, I have not set up a return, or fielded a complaint about a single one to date, honestly.  The specs on them are so true to the originals that some of the parts have even been used to retrofit the original series of guitar they duplicate faithfully.  I have little to no reason to doubt this guitars from what I know of it, or the expert opinion of our senior technician who advised me based on these same photos.  We made sure the bracing was checked, the wood for structure, everything seems fine.  I wish I had this guitar, I'll leave it there I guess.  

I will be checking this forum out more frequently, but really just to help, and keep persoal flaming away if possible.  Not necessarily about differing opinions on guitars, but to make sure everyone here has a enjoyable experience on the forum.  We're here to talk about guitars, mandolins, banjo's, basses, and ultimately about making music with them, which is a beautiful and creative thing.   If you want to flame, buy an electric and join a punk band :) (not that I don't love acoustic punk as well)  We're here to help, and I'm here right now, Im not at work, I love these instruments and I like supporting them.  We would never offer anyone advise that we didn't stand behind, and we remember more of the names and people than you could imagine (model numbers and phone calls fill my dreams dude).  Take issues up with us directly info@washburn.com I believe is the email address.  This isn't the place for it really. We listen.  

Peace

Stacy



Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 05, 2008, 11:06:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by deltacaster

If anyone here thinks I'm not aware of what goes on in this forum because I don't post here often, you should probably consider my occupation :)  I talk about what you talk about on here 40 hours a week, etc.

I will be checking this forum out more frequently, but really just to help, and keep flaming away if possible.  Not necessarily about differing opinions on guitars, but to make sure everyone here has a enjoyable experience on the forum.  We're here to talk about guitars, mandolins, banjo's, basses, and ultimately about making music with them, which is a beautiful and creative thing.   If you want to flame, buy an electric and join a punk band :) (not that I don't love acoustic punk as well)  We're here to help, and I'm here off the clock, I love these instruments and supporting them.  We would never offer anyone advise that we didn't stand behind, and we remember more of the names and people than you could imagine (model numbers fill my dreams dude).  Take issues up with us directly info@washburn.com I believe is the email address.  This isn't the place for it really. We listen.  

Peace

Stacy



It's good to get to know more about you, deltacaster, but as one who sat back and didn't join in the flaming, but watched as the forum deteriorated to the point that it was difficult to get new members to stay, I'm hoping you can understand my specticism regarding the investment you might or might not have had in the forum.

Knowing you are a Washburn employee, I have no doubt about your loyalty, it is as it should be for Washburn.  My concern as a member of this online community, who feels as if he has lost a number of friends (or at least lost contact with them) as a result of the grief that has been passed around on the forum lately, was simply to question how much the new moderator cared about the forum and the individuals who made up this community.  Surely you can understand that if a new moderator was appointed who hadn't posted a single post since last August, regardless of the number of posts he had posted, it might not be exactly indicative of having the interest of the forum at hand.

However, I have high hopes.  Those who left will return or they won't, it doesn't make much difference to me, I know where most of them went and I even post there on occasion, but as a noob here who has, IMHO, established my agenda, which is to engage in discussions related to this artistic endeavor in which we have all engaged, I feel that we will have to wait and see.  There is a place for spirited discussion, again IMHO, but at some point there also has to be a way to get people to ...give it up and move on.

Best of wishes to you, deltacaster, and here's hopes we'll be seeing lots more of you around the forum.  I notice BrownDog has been posting more recently than I've noticed in the recent past.  In fact, I emailed BrownDog with a question on a totally unrelated topic and didn't get a reply, perhaps I'll see if I can get an answer going through you.

Dugly [8D]
YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Rocket on March 05, 2008, 11:44:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

...at some point there also has to be a way to get people to ...give it up and move on.

What are you suggesting Dugli?
Should the Washburn moderators show up at offending member's homes and beat them to submission or just until they aren't physically able to operate a keyboard anymore?
A person (or moderator) does as much as they can do, not to exceed their authority. Anything more is just petty vindictiveness and the sole domain of ex-wives!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: workknot on March 06, 2008, 07:13:56 AM
The very odd thing about this topic It's Interesting seems to me is what would be called Off Topic and belongs into the General Discussion and not here in Acoustic Guitar Players section. When I logon to this forum and look for information, it gets very frustrating to see this type of communication going on and on. Why is it that someone does not move this type of thread to the proper section of the forum and then those person's who care to keep beating a dead horse can do just that. Think about it, this is a guitar forum not a back stabbing blog.
Regards; Pop's

MY HERD HAS THINNED !!!
Gibson ES 339!
Washburn HB35WR
With Gibson 57 Pickups!
Washburn OS OG8CEN soon to be STEREO capable!
Behringer Ultracoustic ACX 450 with extension cabinet!
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: Mike Beatty on March 06, 2008, 08:29:40 AM
Dugli,
I'm sorry I missed your email. If you resend it I will try to help you out the best I can.
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 06, 2008, 10:19:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

What are you suggesting Dugli?
Should the Washburn moderators show up at offending member's homes and beat them to submission or just until they aren't physically able to operate a keyboard anymore?
A person (or moderator) does as much as they can do, not to exceed their authority. Anything more is just petty vindictiveness and the sole domain of ex-wives!



Wow, Rocket, I'm not sure how to respond to this--I know there's some sort of history that involves something of the sort to which you allude, but I joined too late to know anything specific about that.  Rockette mentioned something about a previous forum member being jailed for something of this nature..........but, this is the first time I've been led to believe that person was more than just a contributing member.

However, if vindictiveness is a requirement for a moderator, I suggest Washburn/U.S. Music Corp. contact my second ex-wife, she's the meanest witch I can imagine, and even if she might not be able to physically beat someone into submission, at over 300 pounds now she could certainly squash any life there might be left in you after she tried [:o)] !  

Geez--imagine having a vindictive ex-wife as the moderator on a fourm to which I belong [xx(] !

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 06, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

Dugli,
I'm sorry I missed your email. If you resend it I will try to help you out the best I can.

Mike Beatty
Customer Service Manager
U.S. Music Corp.




Thanks, Mike--PM sent!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: YerDugliness on March 06, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by workknot

The very odd thing about this topic It's Interesting seems to me is what would be called Off Topic and belongs into the General Discussion and not here in Acoustic Guitar Players section.
Regards; Pop's



If I had to hazard a guess, Pops, I'd say that the brouhaha that brought about all of this happened here on the Acoustic Guitar Player's board, not in the electric guitar players board or the bass player's board.  As such, IMHO it doesn't really belong in the General Discussion section--it really does belong right here, where it happened.

I watched it all happen from the sidelines, as I frequently quote one of my guiding principles is I don't have to attend every arugument to which I am invited.  I doubt that the forum members who frequent only the other boards even know anything about the whole issue, so (again, IMHO) it would be inappropriate to move the thread to the General Discussion board and subject them to what was a rather spirited but at times unsavory and very personal debate (understatement is only one of the many fine services I offer [:o)] ).

It's my sincere hope that as ragged nerves heal, members who left the forum might return--after all, many of those who migrated away were those very members who possessed such a wide range of knowledge, the very information you mentioned in your post.  

Dugly [8D]  



YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S, WD61SW project guitar
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: It's Interesting
Post by: workknot on March 06, 2008, 01:56:06 PM
Dugly; Thank you and well said.
Pop's

MY HERD HAS THINNED !!!
Gibson ES 339!
Washburn HB35WR
With Gibson 57 Pickups!
Washburn OS OG8CEN soon to be STEREO capable!
Behringer Ultracoustic ACX 450 with extension cabinet!