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Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on February 28, 2009, 06:43:06 AM
Just found this digging through some classifieds in case anyone's after an EC-29???

http://www.adtrader.co.uk/item_detail.php?aid=967921&class_id=53&hdl=Washburn+29-fret+guitar.

Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on February 28, 2009, 07:53:42 AM
Well spotted high boy,
I think that's about the only eighties model that I've stayed away from. Twenty Four frets is plenty, and of course the money doesn't come into it (Yeah Right). Can you imagine taking that to a pub gig and some numb nuts falling on it and you just watching in slow motion as the neck snaps. Calamity just doesn't say enough really. $500 quid up yer shirt and eight years for manslaughter is about right. Still looking on the bright side in eight years you could probably learn loads with the tatty acoustic the prison authorities have allowed you to have, with the added bonus of the mrs selling the house along with all your kit and divorcing you while you're away. Mmmm ?
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on February 28, 2009, 11:17:46 AM
they're ugly as sin.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on February 28, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
Wash your mouth out BB - they're bloody gorgeous!

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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on February 28, 2009, 12:35:28 PM
You sound like you're speaking with the voice of experience Cornish!! =O)

Ugly?? yes, but it's another one of those that i've loved for a long time, i remember seeing one in  second hand shop on holiday in torquay in '92 with some friends, been facinated ever since, soon as money allows...
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on February 28, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
dude they're so ugly! they look like an accident, like the buy making fretboards got sleepy and went toooooo far. and the paint jobs are painfully hideous.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on February 28, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
But it would be so wrong to refinish one!!!
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on February 28, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
if i had one the first thing that I'd do would be to strip all that HIDEOUS paint off it! but i think i'd rather not have one. and that trem is so over designed and vile!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on February 28, 2009, 04:17:07 PM
If its the original trem on it - then its the same one the G8v had and its actually quite an interesting take on double locking. They clamp down over the string and (IIRC) mean you don't need to snip off the ball-ends - so they were quite ahead of their time.



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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on February 28, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
its a good idea, not knocking that aspect, but they're fugly! Schallers Floyds Gotohs all look asthetically pleasing, mechanically sound etc.


but seriously....29 frets? the intonation up there is gonna be gnasty,


if it was: Natural oil finish , Schaller or Gotoh Floyd, some high end pickups. then it'd rock

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on February 28, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
But they're not the only good ones - Kahlers Steelers (IIRC they were Kahler's take on the twin point ide), Ibanez's Edge and Edge Lo-Pro are pretty good, but they're all pretty much inferior in my opinion to the ZR trem's which remove the weak point (flucrum over a knife edge) and replace it with a ball-bearing joint and some neat ideas for adjustment!

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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on February 28, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
the point i'm making is that that trem on the EC29 looks skank!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on February 28, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
I fail to see it - I think they're beautiful ;_)

I played on ein oo must be about 92, and one day I'll have a 29 ;)



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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 01, 2009, 06:22:29 AM
Now 36 frets, that's silly!!!
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 14, 2009, 10:54:53 AM
Hi,

What are EC29's worth these days; ballpark figure!...(it's only worth what someone will pay for it...quote).

I have a pristene condition model, from 1983, in Blue/Pink(?) crackle, which I've had since almost new (got it off a relative, 2nd hand, in the mid 80's..it had cost him $750 new; bought in Cardiff).

I've no real intentions of selling, as it is such a nice guitar to play, but I don't do the Metal thing anymore(so I may be tempted to sell). It lives in its case most of the time. I've just serviced it and changed the strings...it looks brand new and plays like new!! As for the trem, its the only one I've ever used that actually stays in tune..ALL THE TIME!!! and its a doddle to re-string..no cutting off balls etc....Looks are irrelevant IMOH..it plays and feels like a dream!!

I'm not a big lover of the tone of the EMG(?) active pu's; very clean on their own, but great thro fx processors. I was gonna upgrade to ALNICO 5 pu's a few years back, but decided to keep it all original.

ANyway, any feedback/chat welcome!!!.......
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 14, 2009, 11:15:35 AM
Hi Guitar Bodd, and welcome to the forum.
Well as you say price is difficult to judge, I've seen a couple go on ebay for under $400 but on the US ebay there's one starting at $999. only thing I can suggest is keep an eye on others that crop up and if you do decide to sell put a feeler out on here in the electric forum, maybe the Americans are more interested or have more loose change. Would appreciate a couple of pics if possible, always good to see a nice guitar.

I Roll With The Eighties And Rock With The Washburns
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 15, 2009, 05:24:58 AM
ONce I've sussed how to put the pics on ,I will!!...

If the guitar is not that high value then I may decide to fit passive pu's ,but keep the original electronics safe, should I ever need to revert it back to original spec. MY daughter wants to Inherit it, so it's unlikely I'll ever sell, unless someone offered my $1k+. Even by todays build standards, it is an exceptionally well made guitar and would DEFINATELY be over the $1000+ in today market,if it were a new model. (I believe only 200 were made for the UK market..is this true?)(http://)
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on March 15, 2009, 07:25:02 AM
its just not worth that dude, honestly.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 15, 2009, 07:25:49 AM
Hi again, finding reliable evidence on Washburn guitars made late seventies through the eighties is like digging in sand, just when you thought you had it sussed someone comes up with a model in a series that's just different to the others. As for the number of these guitars produced I don't think even Washburn knows. If they can't tell how many Dime Slimes were made (quite recent) I don't hold out much hope for a definate number on the EC series. It's only by the various posts on this forum that we get reliable info on specs etc from other owners of the same models.
As for pics, try http://photobucket.com/ it's free to join and relatively simple to use. If you don't mind I will copy one or two of them to add to a small collection i'm getting together of the eighties models for comparisons etc.
You could try mailing Washburn customer service any questions you have about numbers and I really hope they can enlighten you, but going by past questions sent, the records leave big holes through that period on all series.
Anyway Happy Hunting, and if you find out anything new please post it here. Cheers CB
Here's a link to the Bass version of your EC Well worth a look.
http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14994
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on March 15, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Actually they ARE worth about $750 - 1k  - particularly in vgc condition - cause they're pretty early examples of the SEC and have some other features that Washburn prototyped with them. N series guitars reach over and above that with a SEC, and they're far rarer and now more desirable to the collector (particularly in the US) then most Washburns of a similar time scale (roughly 86-89). . On ebay EC's regularly reach up to this amount and the few I have seen that are still quite stock hit that target easily - its just rare to find them in VGC condition and unblemished

They're late 80's rather then 70's CB ;-)

Numbers are difficult to ascertain for the EC series but they're not common - and rarer still as stock rather then modified items

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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 15, 2009, 11:57:58 AM
Value is a wierd one!!  if guitar bodd says he won't sell for less than a grand then that's how much it's worth to him.  i think if i had spare money i'd be willing to pay a lot of money i'd be willing to pay quite a bit for one, maybe not that much, but there's just something about them that appeals, dunno why!!!

but i don't have spare money, so it's irrelevant!
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 15, 2009, 12:29:25 PM
Here's one on ebay UK going soon. Now I know it's not in the best condition but a refinish would cure that. Let's see what it goes for.  Item number: 180334283544
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on March 15, 2009, 12:44:51 PM
Is that the one with the gap where the humbuckers been reseated?

Ah yes it is... thats a shame, still wish I had the cash!

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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on March 15, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
crazy moving the pickup. i'm aware that it can get it away from a harmonincally dead spot or add more mid/bass to the tone, but damn, it leaves a mess.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 15, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
No bids on $360, I don't believe nobody in the country had the cash, and it's only a finish problem so personally I reckon a fair price on the same model in good condition would be in the $400 to $500 region. I would also prefer the Bass version if I could win more than a tenner on the lottery. No need for the extra frets in a studio, get everything I need with 24.
Title: EC-29
Post by: BlueBuddha on March 15, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
and that model had a more traditional floyd rose too, without the eye burning paint job! Its just not that sought after i guess.

22 frets is enough for me, bending up to the imaginary 24th fret sounds better too :P



What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 15, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Think it's the same one i found in the classified ads a while back looking at the location!!

that could make for a small project to restore it to how it should be.  but you're right, there's something very very nice about the bass version!!!
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 15, 2009, 03:26:36 PM
does any one know muc habout the EC series electronics??  i've been googlying them, and have noticed (it's not taken me long to sport it now has it!!!)

the EC-29 seems t ohave volume, tone (or another volume??) pup selector, and what looks like a rotary switch, what's the switch for???
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 15, 2009, 03:34:21 PM
Trouble with the one just gone is stripping it back would require a wood infill of matching timber. I've no doubt it's possible and you would finish up with quite an instrument. I still can't believe that guitar had a dead spot that necessitated such drastic action in the first place. No guitar manufacturer would let out a limited edition with a dead zone, and even if this particular guitar did have one, surely raising or replacing the actual pup would have been a better option than cutting out and resiting .
Title: EC-29
Post by: arykala on March 15, 2009, 03:37:07 PM
There were active electronics on the original EC's so the third rotary control was an active mid boost IIRC

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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 15, 2009, 03:51:42 PM
cool, ta!!!
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 17, 2009, 04:48:19 AM
JUst to confirm, the 3 controls are vol, tone, mid boost and a 3 way selector switch. Guitar pu's will not work without a battery and low power is usually identified by the sound turning crackly(as if you have a faulty lead).
Battery does last for ages tho, provided you don't leave the lead plugged into the guitar(this acts as the on/off switch). The only problem I have with the pu's is the huge volume diff between the s/coil and the H/B...the s/coil is really too quiet for this guitar, but it does a good impression of a strat(Apache, anyone?).

As for the high frets(past 24), they are practically useless...more of a style statement of the era, I'm afraid. Personally, I'd have been happy at 24 frets and then they could have moved the s/coil pu a bit further forward, away from the H/B....but it is what it is!
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 19, 2009, 08:54:09 AM
Message for Cornish Boy....I'm on oldy worldy dial up, so putting pics onto photobucket is a potch. I tried emailing you, but I'm a newby and it won't let me!! If you want some pics of the EC29, email me and I'll send them directly to you..you can do with them what you like!!! Guitar Bodd
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 19, 2009, 10:45:50 AM
You got mail.
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 20, 2009, 04:52:50 AM
SO should you by now!!!!! enjoy the pics.....GBODD
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 20, 2009, 05:05:17 AM
Here ya Go.
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/WashburnEC29Full3.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/WashburnEC29BOdyside.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/WashburnEC29BOdySide1.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/Re-sizeWashburnEC29Joint.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/WashburnEC29Head1.jpg)
Nice one Guitar Bodd
Title: EC-29
Post by: the_high_number on March 20, 2009, 06:00:48 AM
Wow!!!

that's in spectacular condition for its age.

never have been keen on that colour scheme though!!
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 20, 2009, 07:06:15 AM
I suppose the colour and style is indicative of its era. I like it(the colour), but I don't love it.
However, imo, it was the best of the bunch(the other finishes spatter were a bit garish, even for me). What you do get from this guitar when you pick it up, is a feeling of quality and solidity. The body wood is very dense and even though it looks quite small, it's quite heavy..excellent sustain and natural tone. Anyway, a good guitar is a good guitar, irrespective of colour!!!! The neck is extremely easy to play; fairly slim neck profile, but not skinny(like some Ibanez)..closest modern guitar to it would be a PRS MIRA in regards to the neck profile.
So, now you've seen it, what kinda price(range)do you think? (The trem arm is in the case)..I ain't selling tho!!!(but...you never know!!!)

On the subject of garishness, do any of you remember the Washburn Explorers (Black body with ORANGE BINDING!!)..I get a migraine just thinking about it(ha ha)
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 20, 2009, 07:12:45 AM
Ah now you're talking The A series
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/46traveller/ASeries.jpg)

Just give me a shout if you see one of these going in the UK, I could well be interested.
Title: EC-29
Post by: Cornish Boy on March 20, 2009, 08:22:49 AM
As for price on your EC 29 Challenger, that's open to debate. Google it, just found a couple on there in the US and to be honest I think they want stupid dosh $1000, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if someone really wants it the sky's the limit I s'pose.
Title: EC-29
Post by: Guitar Bodd on March 20, 2009, 09:01:25 AM
Well, besides being in A1 condition, the EC29 has centimental value (it was originlly bought by my Cousin, from new, who died tragically a few years ago..)..and my daughter wants it as part of her inheritance!!Kids 'ey!! Everything has a price(almost!)...it would take serious wongga $$$ or financial problems for me to sell.

As for the A Series ORANGE MONSTER, I played one in Pete NObles MUsic store, in Llanishen, Cardiff. I was actually buying the VOX125 head that I'm currently selling(1983??) and the Washburn rep walked into the shop. Apparently, so he said, it was one of the 1st in the counrty(blah blah blah..it might have been???) and did I like it. After playing it for about 3 minutes, I politely said, NO!!....but again, beauty is in the eye............now CREAM would have been a different matter!!!!