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UK Section => UK Washburn Lovers Unite => Topic started by: N4ESA_UK on April 20, 2009, 09:36:57 AM

Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 20, 2009, 09:36:57 AM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WASHBURN-N3-NUNO-BETTENCOURT-SIGNATURE-MODEL_W0QQitemZ140315603345QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item140315603345&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

I like the trem posts.... philips screws!!!  I wont be bidding but thought id get it on here.  These are really early 90's models with a fake SEC line. Probably about the right price, depending on how it plays.



N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 20, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
I always think that without the proper SEC it's not really a Nuno!!

the N2 really should have one too, they can put it on a cheaper guitar as has been proven by the NX3!!

be a nice collector's item though!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 20, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
that body looks even smaller than an N4! looks like a kids half size with a full size neck!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 20, 2009, 10:58:04 AM
But then no-one would buy an N4 [:)] what would be the point?? One better pickup and a schaller floyd rose would be the only difference! maybe $220-250 quids worth of stuff you could change in about an hour doesnt really make it worth the $1500+ price tag really.  

What they should do is ditch the N1 and lower the price of the N2, and maybe put one of those contoured heel joints on it.

N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 20, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
yea there really is no point putting the SEC on the N2. It'd put the price up too.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 20, 2009, 11:13:18 AM
I imagine a large part of the SEC cost is the copyright/patent.  hence why you can get a body for $60 on ebay and a neck cost $300 inc vat

I dont think there is enough difference between the N1 and N2 to cover the market it is aimed at. An N3 equivalent would sit quite nicely in the lineup (such as the NX3)......But lets not forget the N61. If you want the SEC but without a huge prictag thats the guitar to get. But ive heard that the necks arent up to scratch.  An N41/N3 eguivalent would sell alot better IMO.


N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 20, 2009, 01:38:34 PM
well there does need to be a lower priced double bucker model, i tried a 61, was through a horrible amp in a shop, so that won't have helped, but i really wasn't feeling it!!!

but yeah, if you can buy an NX3 for about $300 new, it's really not good that you the only one that looks like a nuno guitar with an SEC sets you back over a grand.  let's face it, if there was an affordable option that would be what i buying rather than my project!!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 20, 2009, 03:07:18 PM
hmmm. can't say I agree to be honest. its like saying there should be a budget Aston Martin, the quality will suffer just to make it look more like the real deal.

ever played an NX3? they feel like a $300 guitar for a good reason.

Perhaps N4's are priced quite highly, but they totaly rinse over N1,N2,N3, NX3s, N61.


I played an N61 in danmark street, felt cheap and Gnasty with a capital G.


an N4 gets you Grover tuners, Schaller or OFR, BLUSA, Seymour Duncan, Ebony board, decent body/neck wood, SEC......

If my N4 disappeared I'd save up and get another, I wouldn't get a cheaper version even if it had an SEC.



What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 20, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
hmmm, but considering i only have one guitar that has a new price of over $350, and to be honest it's not one of my favourite guitars, you can see why i struggle to part with that quantity of cash!!

i know you've made the comment about my '57 reissue strat before that it's based on old technology Matt, but that's my only 'expensive' guitar, my other favourites are my epi les paul and my faith acoustic, and i could play them forever!!

maybe i haven't played enough quality guitars!!  

who knows, maybe if the 20th aniversary models knock me off my feet i may have to take a hit on a credit card (maybe two, depends on how much they are!!!)
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 20, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
guitars don't have to be expensive to be good, but the features of the N4 are by nature expensive.

my PRS SE is a really nice guitar and it was only $400 new!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 20, 2009, 04:03:45 PM
hmmm, i need to sell some stuff!!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 20, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
lol so do I, i have a horrible fear that lush new White SI75 might be first to go

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 20, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
So from what you've seen on the funkymunky forum, you think they're jsut doing a nuno stage guitar replica for the aniversary model???
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 21, 2009, 03:03:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha

Perhaps N4's are priced quite highly, but they totaly rinse over N1,N2,N3, NX3s, N61.




I dont think N4's are expensive for what you get on the guitar.  Compared to similar guitars, particularly signature models, they are quite reasonable.  

So the 20th Anniversary Nuno is going to be..... a Relic?????  with a bit more relic done to it??

That would be shyte. Wheres the innovation in that??

N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 21, 2009, 03:17:47 AM
Take a look here

http://www.armleg.com/funkymunkymusic/viewtopic.php?t=276&mforum=funkymunkymusic

then here

http://www.armleg.com/funkymunkymusic/viewtopic.php?t=283&mforum=funkymunkymusic

from what i gather they're taking measurements from the early davis models, as well as having taken profiles of the neck on Nuno's stage guitar, so kinda points towards the recreation of the early models.

i agree, no innovation there at all, you'd expect the anniversary to has some real flair to it, and really stand out!!!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 21, 2009, 03:46:30 AM
what a load of hype.  Sorry, but I do NOT see the point in producing that guitar for anyone other than Nuno to use.  Its interesting to see the history Jon's uncovered (and that he has busted some of the myths too!...like the person who said about 1pc bodies I saw Nuno and went to get it signed and he looked it over and said to me .... I thought I got all of these?)...Its all Hype of the biggest order.

Basically everyone who got a relic because its built to similar specs as his no.1 guitar...will have to pony up more dough to get the guitar thats gonna replace it!  

Any idea's on what the price tag will be???  I bet I could get a very good UK Luthier to read that thread, use my drawings and make me a true davies replica...if anyone other than Nuno knows what a true davies really is???  that thread just shows theyre all different and that some of the ones produced in early 1990's were embarressing.

Why go to all that effort to create a product thats all ready on sale???  come up with something new I say.


N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: WB-Nick on April 21, 2009, 03:04:01 PM
Be Patient guys.  You may be surprised by the Anniversary model.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: Cornish Boy on April 21, 2009, 03:18:59 PM
Well we may be surprised Nick, but will the UK get any ?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 22, 2009, 03:12:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

Be Patient guys.  You may be surprised by the Anniversary model.



Didnt think youd notice my rant to be honest Nick!  Well, if its made of alder, has the same p/ups, the same neck joint and the same trem....can you really call it an anniversary model? Changing the neck dimensions by 3-4mm here and there and using a different router bit on the SEC 'sloped' neck joint doesnt warrant any big celebration in my book.

BUT...I seriously hope that the above is wrong and that Washburn pull something new and original out of the bag.  Im guessing you dont though.  Youve had a go at the N5 and N6 and even Nuno isnt using those on tour much if at all. When will the new model be unvieled Nick?

N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 22, 2009, 03:54:30 AM
Sam, i think we need to be hang on and trust Nick!!

If he says we might be suprised, let's hold of any judgement till then.

i'm excited again!!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 22, 2009, 04:25:57 AM
I really hope so mate.  Im hoping that the 'Relic' will be replaced with this Davies replica and the anniversary model is something really new.



N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 22, 2009, 04:46:43 AM
perhaps it might get some Parker influence? Nuno is more of a gearhead than he lets on!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 22, 2009, 04:53:48 AM
I just hope they make a new guitar and that Nuno makes some cool new music with it!!!

N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: WB-Nick on April 22, 2009, 04:46:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by N4ESA_UK

quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

Be Patient guys.  You may be surprised by the Anniversary model.



Didnt think youd notice my rant to be honest Nick!  Well, if its made of alder, has the same p/ups, the same neck joint and the same trem....can you really call it an anniversary model? Changing the neck dimensions by 3-4mm here and there and using a different router bit on the SEC 'sloped' neck joint doesnt warrant any big celebration in my book.

BUT...I seriously hope that the above is wrong and that Washburn pull something new and original out of the bag.  Im guessing you dont though.  Youve had a go at the N5 and N6 and even Nuno isnt using those on tour much if at all. When will the new model be unvieled Nick?




I can't yet, but soon.  We've started building the prototype and we need Nuno's approval.  It's a little more exotic than what you've described and Nuno will play it i'm told.
thanks,
Nick
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: WB-Nick on April 22, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Cornish Boy

Well we may be surprised Nick, but will the UK get any ?



I hope so.  We will definately offer them to the UK distributor.  

thanks,
Nick
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 22, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
put me down for 1! lol i will find the money somehow. I'd sell my body, but what can you get for $3.56?

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 23, 2009, 02:32:15 AM
hey, let's all go busking to start the funds rolling!!
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: Cornish Boy on April 23, 2009, 04:35:41 AM
Don't get your hopes up chaps, if the distributor doesn't think they are a viable proposition (As per the Eagle and Stage series reissues) then we won't see any. Strongly advise that if you really want one to write to Soundtech or whatever distributor you can find and hassle them until they get fed up with people asking and actually import a few.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: BlueBuddha on April 23, 2009, 04:58:46 AM
Nah, if i want one i'll just import it myself, its cheaper too! UK washburn prices take the biscuit.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: the_high_number on April 23, 2009, 05:46:04 AM
mmmm, biscuit.
Title: N3 on the bay
Post by: N4ESA_UK on April 23, 2009, 06:58:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick
I can't yet, but soon.  We've started building the prototype and we need Nuno's approval.  It's a little more exotic than what you've described and Nuno will play it i'm told.
thanks,
Nick



Cool.  Thanks for the update Nick.  Looking forward to see what comes of the whispers that are going on!  If its a padauk anniversary model...I will be importing one too.  

Just to be cheeky, is there any way you can get me a set of blueprints for the N4? [:)]  


N4 Swamp ash
Half an N4 paddy
Gordon Smith GS2
80's Korean Strat
Warwick Streamer LXBN 5 string
Antoria Star Bass

Hartke 3500 stack - 4x10 + 1x15
Marshall TSL122 spec. Ed.