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Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 05:12:07 AM
OK you chaps that went to the London Show, any pics or reports from it to share with us poor souls stuck in the wilderness or otherwise unable to attend in person.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 15, 2009, 05:58:12 AM
biggest let down. last year was amazing, this year was ass.


more like a big shop, less emphasis on new gear or innovations, loads of shops stalling out with 'amazing deals' that weren't amazing.


not enough small time companies, too many big timers.


disorganised (last year each instrument had its own hall, this yea, big jumble)


AND the tubes were up the creak so it was all in all, rubbish.




and i guess you wanna know: Washburn stall was pityful. maybe 12 guitars, crammed into a tiny little space. 1 N4, 1 N2, a few idols, a bass or two. no freebies, just a catalogue.... big wooop.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
Sorry to hear that mate, what do you think the Brum one will be like ? Any better or no, 'cos I'm thinking about going there.
Blast, just checked it's in November and I'm on holiday then. Looks like I'll be missing that as well 'cos I ain't giving up my Hols.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 15, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
Why aint they marketing in the UK??? the feckin London Music show and they have 1 N4???  

Was a sound technology stand Matt?? or were washburn there in person so to speak?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 09:35:35 AM
Personally I think it's about time Washburn sorted out a distributor and dealership that actually cares and gives a S#*t in the UK. Not one UK dealer has shown any interest in the Dealer Section of the Forum and that in itself shows the complete lack of enthusiasm and customer care in marketing our side of the pond.
Everybody In The house Say Aye.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 15, 2009, 09:50:23 AM
completely agree.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 15, 2009, 10:08:37 AM
twas a combined stand with Randall amps, the push being more on the amps as they weren't enclosed and hidden away! even Peavey guitars got it right, and they're hardly big over here!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 15, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
did they have any advertising up for the NBking or was it all the 1/2 space rack kirk hammet module stuff?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 15, 2009, 10:21:06 AM
not even a poster of nuno....


not even a freakin guitar pick....


just a catalogue claiming to be 2009. but it still has Nick Catanese, and last I heard hes left washburn!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 15, 2009, 10:24:17 AM
lame.  why dont we all start a washy distribution company?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 15, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
Washburns generally don't feature greatly in guitar shops from what i've seen, you have to hunt for them.

i can't understand it, for the most part they're not expensive (some of the top end ones are, but that's because they're quality instruments!!)  they just don't seem to be as popular as they should be!!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 15, 2009, 10:36:52 AM
don't have the money, sometimes i like washburn being a bit secret anyway! as selfish as that is.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 15, 2009, 10:38:17 AM
well, i guess from that point of view it is a good thing, you do get sick of looking at strats and LPs!!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 15, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
that reminds me.  A friend is selling a MINT condition LP coppertop.  He doesnt like playing it and goes through kit quicker than a really good metaphor. $800 with OHC if anyone knows anyone interested.  I think its going on fleabay if he dont sell it locally soon.  

Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 11:21:40 AM
Well to my mind there's being A bit of a secret guitar company and a Completely missing Guitar brand!! I've joined a few others in searching for a particular model, finding it, and buying it from the states. It's quicker and easier than phoning or mailing various dealers AND distributors in the UK who I have found less than helpful in every case when asking about any model with the exception of the D10 acoustic, which seems to be available everywhere on the UK net.
The solution is simple
Put some Washburn Guitars in the shops for people to try
You never know someone might buy them......
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Paul C on June 15, 2009, 01:18:12 PM
Definately agree with you. I got my N4 off ebay, and I was starting to worry at the time of bidding because the last time I played one was in a music shop in Bath about 1994! There wasn't a single shop I could find anywhere in the Midlands that had one for me to try out. I made 3 or 4 phone calls to sound technology who kept promising to get one to Birmingham PMT for me to try out but nothing ever materialised.

Doesn't seem a very good way to run a business...
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 04:32:42 PM
Once Upon A Time......
How about a Washburn Tour Bus fitted out with say twenty or thirty different models electric and acoustic, together with a few Amps doing a month long tour covering all (Within Reason) areas of the UK. Surely that's not gonna break any banks to set up. All the gear could be sold off at the end as demo stock which will probably still make a profit over cost to the company. I'm sure the boys here will make sure just about everyone knows about it where they live (And we cover all areas) and definately wouldn't mind actually being part of the show as unpaid labour setting up in different areas. Some of them would volunteer from start to finish just to get a chance of trying some models and talking to people about them. Ambassador Buddah could handle the South Coast, Norfolkngood the East Coast, Cornish Boy his tiny bit, Arykala Wales and so forth.
Ooops sorry I must have taken the Blue pill, go back to bed England all is well............
And They All Lived And Prospered Happily Ever After

Bit of a postscript here,
Surely if a UK dealer - distributor organized such a tour, it would be Tax Deductible as Advertising. HHmmmmm !!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 15, 2009, 04:53:26 PM
I'd do it, but Washburn never would :(


they don't seem to keen on UK success

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 15, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
Hi bud, i've got friends that drive Little Feat round when they're in the UK, they're part of a group of fans who actually do most of the groundwork in advertising finding small venues and manning the sales stalls at their gigs. They do it for pleasure and as a bonus get to spend time with a great band of fine musicians.
Washburn could triple their UK sales in six months at very little (If Any) cost with an Enthusiastic Dealer prepared to give it a go. If Washburn can't see that then they will lose more business to well known and more expensive makers. I'm pretty sure most of the Washburn guitars sold in the UK are through ebay, how sad is that????
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 16, 2009, 03:18:18 AM
Id do it!  Jeez, if they dont start marketing N series in the UK I may start making my own after all.  By the way, got my N4 paddy strung up last night......smug mode  [:)]

Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 16, 2009, 04:19:40 AM
Well if a few like minded people got together, fifty to be precise, you could order the bodies and necks from Korea then shipped here for finishing. Of course China would be slightly cheaper but the cost wouldn't be that different on a limited run. It's just the Patent on the cutaway neck that could cause problems, i'm not sure of the legal side of that, but pretty sure any one of a dozen factories in Korea would take the work at a decent price point.
Check Out

http://www.alibaba.com/product/kr102030680-101416347-100618909/Electric_Guitar.html

Thats just one of many manufacturers advertising for work.

Congrats to N4 on showing the way.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 16, 2009, 04:45:01 AM
I'm not really sure that bootlegging guitars is the best plan!!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 16, 2009, 05:16:33 AM
I dont see how its possible to patent a wood working joint anyway.  I remember hearing that the patents have expired.

Im not sure Chinese bootlegs are what I had in mind!  I was thinking more along the lines of me sat in my shed with the radio on, making a few dozen NIV's
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 16, 2009, 05:33:38 AM
you mean this one???

http://www.google.com/patents?id=r4ACAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0_0

doesn't actually state what the expiry date or length of the patent is.  think i said over on the funky monkey forum, it makes no sense that this isn't on more guitars!!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 16, 2009, 05:33:59 AM
Ah but you see it's not bootlegging they could be classed as Tributes just as Brad is having a Dime ST made in Russia to the specs of the Washburn original with very minor adjustments.
I just want Washburn to wake up to the fact that there are customers in countries apart from the USA that actually want to try and buy their products but are getting Cheesed Off (to put it mildly) with the attitude of distributors and dealers in the UK who just can't be bothered to even answer questions about availability of lesser known models, let alone order one for you.
When I was searching for my Eagle reissue I could have ordered one from France Germany and even Checkeslovakia, but not the UK. I finished up buying one from the states at a good price and paying the VAT when it entered the UK. I wouldn't have to do that if everything was as it should be over here. Being honest about the situation the Hannah Montana line just doesn't do it for me, but the country seems to be flooded with those. So they're getting sent over by the container load with a whole pile of D 10 acoustics. Where's my choice??
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 16, 2009, 05:38:59 AM
So we brand them as a tribute then???.....wishburn 'for those players who wish they cud get their feckin hands on a guitar they want to pay money for  [:D]
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 16, 2009, 05:49:21 AM
Oh Yeah !! Like it. Wishburn sounds cool.
In the meantime I'd like everyone to find out if they can get a Specific Washburn Hard Case for their guitar in this country from any of the dealerships. If it doesn't come with one, you can't get it.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 16, 2009, 06:21:04 AM
Here's the rub, Matt sent me some pics of the Washburn Resonators, hey they look the business and I would love to try one but life's too short and so I've just bought an Ozark instead. Oh yeah and after five minutes searching I've found a case for it in the UK no problem next day delivery.
Good service, right price Sold simple as that.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 16, 2009, 06:37:40 AM
I got the old form fit case for my N4 cos I bought it from canada.  I think you do get the ATA hard case with N4's, but they arent that good as they aint a snug fit.  

I use gator cases for absolutely everything.  Rack, Amps, effects, guitars, bases.  Theyre a good price and seem to stand up to the level of abuse that I give them.  If I was touring across Europe then maybe an ATA flightcase would be needed, but Im not.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Paul C on June 16, 2009, 02:20:31 PM
Ha! Funny this came up, I e-mailed sound technology to ask if they could get me a hard case for my N4. I'll give you one guess what the answer was!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 16, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
I had the same problem but with a different model Paul, but if they can't supply you with a case for a best selling top of the range N series, then it's just about as bad as it gets as far as the Spares And Accessories dept is concerned. OK we all use the Gators and Stagg cases and they do their job, but if anyone else is like me I would prefer to turn up with a Washburn Guitar in a case with Washburn on the side. I even went as far as buying stick on vinyl signs for my cases, they just look better when you turn up at the gig, a bit more professional if you like. It just seems to me that Washburn are losing touch with the grass roots buyers and going more into the Custom and Signature market where hell, you even get nail varnish AND a case.
Hey Paul give Soundtech a call and ask for the black nail varnish 'cos it was missing when you got your N4.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 16, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
hmmm. i like unmarked cases TBH, don't like to give away whats inside.

frankly i'd like a case that said: 'junk guitar, pretty much firewood'



What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: norfolkngood on June 16, 2009, 05:56:58 PM
It looks like we've moved a piece away from the LIMS show. If I've got the picture, we're going to have a Wishburn tour bus from which we will attempt to flog knock-off Washburns/ Wishburns. These will be sourced in kit form from Korea for assembly in China or Russia or by N4ESA in his shed.

We will offer a choice of cases, either with a stick-on Washburn label or for the Buddah N5 (well, we can't call it an N4) signature copy, a hand-scrawled plywood case labelled unplayable s**te-plank, not worth nicking.

Well, I guess we can hold back the unsold stock (of which there will be plenty!) to sell on Ebay in the future as lawsuit models[B)]

Returning to reality for a moment, yep, it's a pet gripe with me that Washburns are mostly sold with hard cases in the US, we get padded gig-bags. I really would welcome a dedicated Washburn dealership in the UK (can't speak on Sound Tech as never used them, Richtone Music in Sheffield have been helpful in the past, not bought anything from them recently).
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 17, 2009, 03:47:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by norfolkngood

I've got the picture, we're going to have a Wishburn tour bus from which we will attempt to flog knock-off Washburns/ Wishburns. These will be sourced in kit form from Korea for assembly in China or Russia or by N4ESA in his shed.

We will offer a choice of cases, either with a stick-on Washburn label or for the Buddah N5 (well, we can't call it an N4) signature copy, a hand-scrawled plywood case labelled unplayable s**te-plank, not worth nicking.

Well, I guess we can hold back the unsold stock (of which there will be plenty!) to sell on Ebay in the future as lawsuit models[B)]




ok ok...when you put it like that it does seem a bit far fetched. I would probably have to use the kitchen as the shed aint big enough [:D]

But I think the message is pretty clear.  Send us some washburns to try and we are likely to buy them.  AND, stop UK dealers charge a high mark up as this only means that if ppl do find a guitar they like, they are going to pay less for it online from USA or Canada. How can a guitar in the USA, with delivery charges, and import tax, and VAT be less expensive than one hanging in a shop window 30-40 miles away from my chair????!!!!!!!  

Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 17, 2009, 06:45:34 AM
OK chaps, I fully expect WB Nick has been monitoring our latest UK customer care moans and he seems to be able to get things done on the hurry-up judging by the new sections on this forum.
So Nick would it be too much to ask for Washburn to put a FULL catalogue of their models including RRP in Euros available in the European Union on your site available for download?? And to make things even better a list of recommended spare parts suppliers which has been a common subject on the Forum worldwide. All we are asking for at the end of the day is a chance to continue sourcing Washburn guitars and a reliable dealership. Cheers.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 17, 2009, 07:54:33 AM
I did pop an email to Nick the other day just to make sure he was aware of this, he said he's seen it and following it up with the UK sales rep.

from his tone in the mail, i'd say he's pretty concerned about making sure he get's it sorted!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 17, 2009, 08:06:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha

frankly i'd like a case that said: 'junk guitar, pretty much firewood'


i'm sure Sam will appreciate this...

'Kampha wood?  your guitar must have been worth a fortune!!'
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 17, 2009, 08:19:51 AM
That's in good hands then. Maybe if the UK dealers were to actually visit this forum they might get the picture we are trying to paint here. Nick set up a dealers section and as I expect you've noticed Jon at Funkymunky has really got things going for his part and fair play forum members have written glowing reports about his service. The absence of any UK or European dealers speaks for itself, I seriously doubt that any of them have ever visited the forum, now that is sad......
If you don't know what your customers want, you don't deserve to have customers at all !!!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 17, 2009, 08:29:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number

'Kampha wood?  your guitar must have been worth a fortune!!'



spin my nipple nuts and send me to alaska!  you gotta love the dwarf [:D]

Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 17, 2009, 09:33:59 AM
Though it seems that there is only one dealer worldwide that seems to have any input.

Maybe funky munkey needs a UK branch!!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: BlueBuddha on June 17, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
not a bad idea.



the rest of the dealers/distributors don't deserve to stock Washburn if they're not gonna push them.

I coul sell more in a week than they do in a month if i had the monies!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: JIMNM on June 17, 2009, 10:42:34 AM
What do you guys think of Martin guitars?  Pricey but are they as good as they are reputed to be
My Guitar teacher is a Taylor man

Opinions!
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: the_high_number on June 17, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JIMNM

What do you guys think of Martin guitars?  Pricey but are they as good as they are reputed to be
My Guitar teacher is a Taylor man

Opinions!



Dude, random much!!!

i've never played one TBH, but to look at them they don't make me want to, it's not a good way to judge a guitar, but that's how it is!!! =OP
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: Cornish Boy on June 18, 2009, 03:56:47 AM
I've tried quite a few acoustics over the years including some of the big names, and on my travels have played quite a few bad ones. It's very much personal choice with acoustics and TBH money isn't everything with hollow bodied guitars, it's all about the sound you want Spruce top, Cedar top, Lam top Tonewoods, there are just so many class guitars out there now at every price point that after two hours walking round shops trying them they all start to sound similar. With all due respect to the top end Washburns I found a used twelve string Takemine a few years ago which made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I played it, and that came in at less than four hundred. So it's not all about how rich you are, it's about how you hear what you're playing.I'd rather go through a whole rack of the basic decent models before getting the guy to show me the big names, 'cos everyone's different and the gem you are searching for might just be in the special offer rack. If you want a hardline professional opinion to your question and you're not easily offended ask Rocket in the acoustic section, he'll give you a honest answer. It may not be the solution you expect but it will be the truth, but like I say he can be a tad on the wild side if he thinks it's a question unworthy of his opinion.
Title: Reports On The Show ?
Post by: N4ESA_UK on June 18, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
I had a sigma 12 string many years ago.  They are sort of the squier of Martin guitars.  It was fantastic.  But I wanted to upgrade to a Martin eventually and when I went shopping for one, I bought a Jasmine (the squier of takamine)  as it played alot better than the Martins that were available.

Ive just got a 2nd hand crafter acoustic which is excellent and cost me $140 with a hardcase.

Its all subjective with acoustics, a bit like recomending guitar pickups.