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Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 28, 2009, 04:45:57 PM
Well tonight I got a bee in my bonnet and decided to make a start on the KC90. This is despite me seemingly already having a dozen other projects on the go.

First up I gutted it and removed the neck. I even removed the tremolo studs as they were a bit loose and appear to have been interfered with. It looked like somebody tried to put superglue round the top edge of one to try and hold it in.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-01.jpg)

I've decided to take Steve Robinsons (http://www.manchesterguitartech.co.uk/) advice on stripping the old finish, i.e. smother it in dichloromethane based paint stripper and cover it in a bin bag.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-02.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-03.jpg)

Tomorrow we'll find out if this has been at all effective. As I had some lurking in my cellar it's cost me nothing to try.

I am considering refinishing the front of the headstock as it's a little bit scruffy but I'll start with just the body.



EC29, KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: Cornish Boy on August 28, 2009, 05:59:30 PM
Hey, nice pics, it'll be good to watch this, hope it turns out the way you want.
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on August 29, 2009, 04:00:58 AM
Could leaving strong chemicals on it for that long affect the look of the wood (structurally, especially if it's a more than one piece body, and cosmetically)???
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 04:11:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number

Could leaving strong chemicals on it for that long affect the look of the wood (structurally, especially if it's a more than one piece body, and cosmetically)???



Maybe, but then it is after all just a $100 project guitar that I've no sentimental attachment to. It would be a shame to ruin it but not the end of the world.

I won't be smothering it in stripper once the bulk of the finish is off.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 06:04:56 AM
The paint stripper has barely touched the finish, so I've put another load on.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 09:29:43 AM
With the second go the stripper has started to make an impression on the finish, especially round the controls where it is thickest...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-04.jpg)

...I've put a third coat on and will have another look in a couple of hours.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 02:44:18 PM
Well I've got most of the top finish off the front and started on the primer.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-05.jpg)

The two seem very different kinds of paint as the stripper acts more like I'd expect once I get to primer.

With the top coat it was kind of reacting and going crusty very quickly but softening the paint.  So it then scraped off easily.

With the primer it's staying wet much longer and making the paint bubble up so it literally falls off when you touch it. It does however take much longer for this to happen.

So far the body looks like a two piece one.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on August 29, 2009, 03:18:56 PM
that's not going as quickly as i expected it would!!

though a lot less work than sanding!!!
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number
that's not going as quickly as i expected it would!!



No it's not particularly quick but it's just a case of brushing the stuff on and then leaving it. I've been interleaving doing this with working on the EC29. I'm having a weekend of heavy guitar fettling.

I might even play one at some point. [:D]



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: BlueBuddha on August 29, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
fettling! excellent word.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on August 30, 2009, 02:06:58 AM
it sounds rude!!
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 30, 2009, 02:36:27 PM
The primer has beaten me, or at least my paint stripper. After many goes with it I've only got this far...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-06.jpg)

...I think I'll have to resort to sanding. But for the fact I want to try an oil finish I'd use a hot air gun.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: norfolkngood on August 30, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
You could just rebuild it and sell it as a unique custom-shop relic model[;)]
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: N4ESA_UK on August 31, 2009, 05:43:06 AM
Hmmm, Im going to say it.... That last pic looks Cool.  Id be tempted to put it back together, take it to a gig and see what ppl's reactions were [:D]
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 31, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
Well after not very long at all with a detail sander I've got a lot of the finish off the front...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-07.jpg)

...will have to keep going on the back and sides.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 31, 2009, 02:52:56 PM
I definitely should have started with the detail sander, I've now got most of the finish off except for inside the cutaways. That'll be the most fiddly part so I'll tackle that another day.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 02, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
I'm getting there, but it's a slow, noisy and dusty process...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-08.jpg)

...I can't really get that much done in the week as by the time I start it's 21:00.

I should be able to have a proper go at the weekend. I'm getting to the stage where I'll have to ditch the electric sander and do it by hand.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 05, 2009, 08:13:59 PM
After much sanding I've got to this point...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-09.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-10.jpg)

...the photos look much the same as before but it's now got to the point where I reckon I've sanded all the sealer off. There's still some primer in the trem route and paint in the pickup cavities but the plan is to brush paint those satin black last of all.

The body is a three piece but there are no nasty looking bits so I've stuck with the idea of an oil finish.

I've just put the first coat of Danish oil on, we'll see what it looks like in the morning. I went for 'natural' as I wanted a fairly light colour. It may be too light, but I'm guessing as this is an open finish I could actually just put a darker shade on top.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on September 07, 2009, 02:22:11 AM
Hopefully will bring the grain out, really difficult to spot it in those pics!!!
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 07, 2009, 04:16:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number

Hopefully will bring the grain out, really difficult to spot it in those pics!!!



It is, to be honest, not the prettiest bit of wood. The oil does seem to be bringing it out a bit but it's only the bottom piece that's interesting. The upper piece, which is the majority, is very plain.

I'm a little unsure about how to get a good finish from the oil, I've done a couple of coats now and will probably flat it down with some wire wool before doing another.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 08, 2009, 04:24:54 PM
I flatted the front down this evening with fine wire wool and it looks quite nice.

However I've messed up the back and sides a bit. I paid less attention to sanding these and also let the oil build up. The result is pretty patchy and sticky in places.

I'll see if I can rescue this. After I've left it a few days I'll try to wipe/sand it back to an even finish on the back.

I took some photos but they just look like the last lot really.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 11, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Well I decided even if I was able to rescue the back the guitar would be a pretty featureless lump of blond wood.

So I've very harshly and roughly sanded the back and sides leaving all manner of whorls and scuffed sections then put some 'mahogany' stained Danish oil on...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-11.jpg)

Which has made it sort of pseudo-reliced. I've deliberately left the top as it was because it actually came up OK. I've tried to make a fairly clean line between the two...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-12.jpg)

I'll give the back and sides another go with the stained oil, flatting it down between coats then go over the whole thing with the natural oil. I'm hoping this will make it more interesting.

On the pickups front, I've recently bought a set of Reflex Reds from a strat thinking I could steal the active box to resurrect the ones that were in my EC29. I may try this and make an HSS set for the KC90 using the Humbucker and two of the singles.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 13, 2009, 04:07:05 PM
More oil on, this time natural coloured all over. I've just done this so the sheen is because it's wet.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-13.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-14.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-15.jpg)

I hope you can see what I'm trying to achieve here. The back and sides are sort of beaten up without being explicitly 'reliced' and have a strong contrast to the top.

I've tried to emphasise the control routes in the top with some of the oil used for the sides but it hasn't worked too well. For some reason they were dust magnets and I just couldn't stop them getting bits in there no matter how much I blew or wiped them out.

If this looks good once it's dry tomorrow I'll flat this down gently and then buff it.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: N4ESA_UK on September 14, 2009, 07:50:07 AM
Looking good!  I dont think you will notice the control recess' on the front quite as much once youve got hardware back on it.  It will hide most of the finish and it'll soon get dusty anyway!  looking forward to seeing this put back together!  keep up the posts and pics!
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 15, 2009, 06:26:36 PM
Right, here's a bit of a progress update. First up I painted the pickup and trem routes yesterday...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-16.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-17.jpg)

Tonight I stuck with two Kent Armstrong 'cool rails' in the single coil positions...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-18.jpg)

Then a Kent Armstrong 'Motherbucker' in the bridge...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-19.jpg)

I'm using these pickups because I like the clean all black look, but most importantly because I had them kicking around. [:)]

I've shielded the control cavity with aluminium tape, again because I happen to have some.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-20.jpg)

Then I roughly assembled it...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-21.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-22.jpg)

Here it is with everything fitted and tightened up...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-23.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-24.jpg)

It now needs wiring and setting up.

There are a few niggles with the finish, it's obviously a scrappy DIY job when you look close. This is most obvious where I've brush painted the control/trem routes as this is full of dust.

However I'm happy with the overall look, I'll see how it plays once I've found some time to finish it off. The only thing I'm not sure about is the painted headstock face. I'm now very tempted to sand that back and oil it.









2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on September 16, 2009, 02:48:04 PM
That loks fantastic, congrats!!! =OD
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: arykala on September 16, 2009, 05:59:53 PM
That now looks a lot like my transparent gold one!!

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/82/l_eacb734333e54b0fa7f77dc90ac20829.png

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Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 18, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
quote:
Originally posted by arykala
That now looks a lot like my transparent gold one!!


You're right. I'm not particularly up on Washburn's history so I wasn't copying it, honest.

Anyway today I finished off the wiring job and took some final photos.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-25.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-26.jpg)
(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/kc90-27.jpg)

I'm very happy with the blonde and black look.

There are a few things I'd like to sort at some point but it's finished for the moment.


I really ought to play it a bit now. [:D]



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: BlueBuddha on September 18, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
nooooo trem cavity plates suck!


minimise the plastic on your guitar!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 18, 2009, 02:55:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha

nooooo trem cavity plates suck!


I agree, they are generally part of the guitar that receives almost no effort/design from manufacturers. However I think they look unfinished without one.

The one on the KC90 isn't even inset so it's flush with the body, which always strikes me as a bit cheap.

If I thought I could make a good job of it I'd have a go at routing it out so it's inset then use a piece of thin ply and finish it in the same manner as the body. However I don't have a router or any skill in  using one.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: arykala on September 21, 2009, 04:07:55 PM
Actually, now I see it clearer I think it looks better then mine! Good job!

quote:
Originally posted by ncmreynolds

quote:
Originally posted by arykala
That now looks a lot like my transparent gold one!!


You're right. I'm not particularly up on Washburn's history so I wasn't copying it, honest.

Anyway today I finished off the wiring job and took some final photos.


I'm very happy with the blonde and black look.

There are a few things I'd like to sort at some point but it's finished for the moment.


  • I tried to replace the odd trem saddle with one from the butchered EC29, but the thread in it was stripped. Does anybody have any spare 600S saddles?

  • There was so much paint on it that the cover for the control cavity is no longer big enough and you can see the shielding tape. I need to run a line of black paint round this to hide it but don't have a small brush.

  • Ideally I'd like to put a plate over the trem route on the back, but the one I have doesn't match up. Most places selling these don't supply any dimensions so it's pot luck whether they'll fit or not.


I really ought to play it a bit now. [:D]



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies



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Washburn HM-24V (proto) / KC 90v x2 (Red, Translucent)/ MG 74/ MG 800 / Fernandes Revolver Pro w\\Sustainer / Ibanez 540 Radius (91 HSS) / Chimera (coming soon)
Title: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 21, 2009, 05:29:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by arykala

Actually, now I see it clearer I think it looks better then mine! Good job!


Cool, thanks.



2 EC29s, a KC90 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Re: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
Post by: cmac84 on September 17, 2014, 02:40:20 PM
Ahhhhh!!!!! Why did I sell my 2 KC's I had left, this looks so frikken good. I sold them cause as much as I loved the sound they looked waaaay to 80s hair/glam for my taste on stage. SMH
Title: Re: Refinishing my project KC90 (image heavy)
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