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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 08:33:44 AM
I thought I'd split this into a new thread as it might run a while...

Well, having attacked the KC90 tonight I had a look at my new EC29. I've removed the pickups and all the associated grotty wiring. Now you can get a good look at the butchery...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-01.jpg)

...I'm not quite sure what the two holes I've circled are for, perhaps a previous owner tried to make an oversize pickup surround that was like a small scratchplate. The bits of wood added to screw the pickup surround to are very grotty and almost look like old pencils.

Also one of the holes for the pots is very oversize. Originally this would have been the control for the active circuit, although I think on my other EC29 this was actually smaller than a normal pot.

I think I like the idea of plugging both pickup routes and having it routed for a single P90 then fitting an EMG P81 or P85 for a very minimalistic look with no pickup surround.

Although this would be well beyond my meagre woodworking skills and I'd have to pay a professional.




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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 08:44:11 AM
Having slept on it I decided to have a go at making a repair to the route. Not a 'proper' repair but something that would fill the hole and give me something to mount a pickup to.

First I chiselled the routed out area square. Well as square as my rubbish woodwork skills would allow...


(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-02.jpg)


Then I made a small block of wood to fill the area roughly back into a normal shape/size pickup route...


(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-03.jpg)


Then I glued it in place...


(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-04.jpg)


I've also plugged the various random screw holes. I know there are various things wrong with this work, the grain runs the wrong way on the block for a start. It's just to give me a solid base to mount a pickup.

I may fill and sand the holes/joins then paint the area just to make it less obvious.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 02:01:25 PM
With the glue dry enough to work on I sanded it all back flush with the surface...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-05.jpg)

This scuffed up the finish a bit, but it was always kind of inevitable it would need some kind of refinish. Next I cleaned out the joins and chips then blobbed far too much filler on.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-06.jpg)

Then sanded it back.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-07.jpg)

Then stuck some black paint on it to seal it a bit and match the inside of the pickup cavity. Anybody know where you can buy proper shielding paint?

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-08.jpg)

So it's now beginning to look like a guitar in need of a refin instead of a guitar with an ugly hole in it.

Once the paint is dry I'll smooth it back and think about what to do with the top to cover the repair up. I'm coming around to the idea of a black stripe and I happen to have some black nitrocellulose I bought to refinish my Jackson.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on August 29, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
Man you work a lot faster than i do!!!
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Post by: ncmreynolds on August 29, 2009, 04:29:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number

Man you work a lot faster than i do!!!



Whenever I get a new guitar I just can't resist messing around with it, even if it's just giving it a really good clean, change of strings and setup.

It doesn't help that I'm a compulsive modder.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 30, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Today I started sanding it back again and ended up taking most of the black paint off.

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-09.jpg)

I then started to think about refinishing the centre section to cover things up and got as far as looking for proper primer/paint. However I then realised I was indulging in 'feature creep' and I'd achieved my aim of filling the hole in.

So I stuck it all back together...

(http://www.confuzion.org.uk/temp/redec29-10.jpg)

...using the Gibson bridge pickup it came with and the Seymour Duncan vintage single coil that was in my KC90. It was sold to me as having a  Seymour Duncan bridge but I'm not made fussed it doesn't. The single coil was a cheapie so I thought I'd swap it as I won't be using the Seymour in the KC90.

One annoyance was that I wired it up for coil tap and phase reverse with push-pull pots but when I tried it out the bridge pickup didn't work.

After a bit of poking around I found that the brand new push pull pot I had used was faulty. I haven't got another so I've just shorted it so it's on '10' all the time until I can replace it.

It now needs a quick setup which I'll tackle shortly, I was busy with other things this afternoon. It still looks rubbish and that can't be solved other than with a serious refin but I am at least now happy with the way the bridge pickup is mounted.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on August 30, 2009, 03:13:05 PM
well it's deinitely an improvement, great job so far!!!

at the end of the day what's left is just cosmetic, so you have a guitar in good playing condition!!
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Post by: N4ESA_UK on August 30, 2009, 03:47:07 PM
you can get the conductive paint from maplins.  Nice work aswell [:)]  That'll look great when its sprayed up.
Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 30, 2009, 05:12:52 PM
Next thing out of Pandoras box was that the saddles on the trem were odd. It looks like two original Washburn ones and four cheap generic ones.

Not that this matters too much but as they were fitted it went up and down instead of approximating a radius with B being noticeably high. I'd sort of spotted this when initially playing it. Having had the saddles off there seemed to be four different heights and no way to make a sane set from them.

So I've just fitted a complete set from a BC Rich trem I had lying around. They were in much better condition anyway. They seem a tiny touch narrower than the ones on there but once fitted and under tension it looks fine.

The couple of spare Washburn saddles I have now may allow me to replace the odd ones on the KC90 trem.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: Cornish Boy on August 31, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
Well I knew I'd seen them somewhere, Extra Large P/U surrounds Item number:   260356675652
Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on August 31, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cornish Boy

Well I knew I'd seen them somewhere, Extra Large P/U surrounds Item number:   260356675652



That might well have done the job, but it's sorted now. Well at least until I choose to refinish it. I'm not sure it'd be big enough to cover all the nastiness now I've scuffed the finish up in a slightly larger area then the original damage.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 02, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by N4ESA_UK
you can get the conductive paint from maplins.


Have you got a link for that? All I can find is the silver stuff you use for repairing PCBs and that might prove expensive to do the cavities with.

I've found this...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310101097478

...but it seems quite pricey. Stewmac sell it but then we're into International shipping, customs fees and PO handling charges.

When I rewired an old bass recently I used some aluminium tape I had but that's not very easy to apply in oddly shaped cavities.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: N4ESA_UK on September 02, 2009, 04:55:25 AM
Thats the stuff Ive seen at maplins.  A little should go a long way if you prime the cavaties first.  That stuff on ebay looks good aswell! alot more for your money.

The aluminium and copper tapes can be fiddly and a bit expensive.  If you look at Air conditioning suppliers you should be able to get wider rolls of adhesive backed aluminium tape.  You can cut 1 pc to fit in the cavity if the rolls are wide enough.  A thought ive just had, you could make a thin cardboard template that fits into the cavity and cover it front and back with the tape. may be easier than trying to work inside the guitar?
Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 02, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by N4ESA_UK
The aluminium and copper tapes can be fiddly and a bit expensive.  


I happen to have a fair size roll of aluminium tape kicking around but it is like you say rather fiddly to apply.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: arykala on September 07, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
As an aside, I think the extra two holes were possibly a MIDI pickup mount for the Roland system

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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 08, 2009, 02:32:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by arykala

As an aside, I think the extra two holes were possibly a MIDI pickup mount for the Roland system


Now there's a thought. It would explain why the pickup was moved forward as well.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 11, 2009, 09:48:28 AM
I've bought a piece of blank 3-ply scratchplate material to try my hand at making a custom one to suit the EC29. I was thinking of going for a very trad strat style adjusted for the EC29s slightly odd shape.

Anybody got any suggestions on how to cut and shape this cleanly?



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: the_high_number on September 12, 2009, 04:21:29 AM
try doing something a bit different, strat is over done.

take a look at the N5/N6 looks odd at first, but is definitely a welcome change from the norm (i'm not saying copy it, just try something else!!!)
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Post by: Cornish Boy on September 12, 2009, 05:05:31 AM
If you're looking for ideas try Aurora Project, they have quite a few different designs on show. Worth a look anyway.

http://www.auroraproject.co.uk/web%20site%20first%20page.htm
Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 12, 2009, 05:20:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by the_high_number

try doing something a bit different, strat is over done



I'm not particularly artistic I suspect any design I came up with myself would suck.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: N4ESA_UK on September 12, 2009, 05:35:30 AM
theres quite a few templates here that you can look at and maybe use for inspiration. I think its a useful site

http://www.terrapinguitars.com/pdfFiles.html
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Post by: JayGee on December 02, 2009, 08:10:37 AM
Hi all,

I'm not a Washburn owner (yet!) but finding myself potentially in need of something with a locking trem so that I can make swoopy noises Nick (Hi Nick!) kindly offered me the loan of something appropriate from his extensive(!) collection.

I spent some time playing this very guitar and, while it does look a little rough in places all I can say is that it's bloody fabulous. Cosmetic issues aside (and we were kicking around some ideas for that which should make it look very attractive without perpetrating any further outrages on the poor thing) Nick's done a fine job of turning what looks to have been a bit of a dog into a solid working instrument and he should be proud of what he's achieved.

No idea what these are like with the original electronics but with the current pickup complement (Seymour Duncan vintage Strat in what on any other guitar would be the middle position, Gibson Burstbucker at the bridge) it transcends its Big Hair origins to give a lovely warm Classic Rock tone which sounds as good clean (I was playing Sultans on Swing on it at one point which has just got to be first on one of these...) as it does in full-on filth mode - certainly it's a lot more versatile than you'd think from looking at it!

It's really very, very nice indeed and I look forward to spending some quality time with it once Nick's sorted out the bridge pickup's volume control which is currently hardwired to 10 (or maybe that should be 11). I'm also really looking forward to seeing what my bandmates and the guys at the local pub jam night make of it as I'm pretty sure nobody's turned up with one of these before [:D]

I can easily see myself owning one of these if one turns up at the right price...

--
Jonathon.
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Post by: bald eagle on December 05, 2009, 09:39:30 AM
Hi ncmreynolds

thats a great job u have done to restore that axe!!!

i dont think it needs a scratch plate and i bet if u can work wonders with a wreck like that suggests ur probably that good a fiddler chances are u wont scrath the beast once its finished.

i found a great design for the paint work whilst searching for a EC-29 if u were thinking of going the full nine yards-the address is below but it isnt a link so u may hae to paste it into address cos im useless with computers!.
i also saw 1 in a shop a few years ago with a similar finish but the base colour was cream with black veins making it look like marble which is a bit less '80s!it had a handle routed out like the ibanez jem but i guess thats just cosmetic.i should have snapped it up and now im searching for 1! all i can find is the picture in the link!

keep up the good work man

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1988-Stephens-Extended-Cutaway-Guitar-by-Washburn-Ad_W0QQitemZ150393934500QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item23042d52a4
Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on December 05, 2009, 10:53:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bald eagle

thats a great job u have done to restore that axe!!!



Thanks. Those finishes are the 'magma' ones which Washburn seemed keen on at one point. I'm actually doing some more work on this guitar this weekend, but it's electrical so not very interesting to look at. I may post a picture or two though.

My other EC29 (I own two) is in a teal finish with multi-coloured squiggles in. Hard to describe really but just as OTT as the Magma ones.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: JayGee on January 02, 2010, 04:32:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JayGee


I'm also really looking forward to seeing what my bandmates and the guys at the local pub jam night make of it as I'm pretty sure nobody's turned up with one of these before [:D]

I can easily see myself owning one of these if one turns up at the right price...




Update:

Borrowed it, played it, gigged it, still got it :-)

Sadly the Burstbucker (which was truly A Thing Of Great Joy And Beauty) bit the dust while Nick was rewiring to my specs[1] (master tone, master volume, progressive coil tap with push/pull selector for which coil you get - at least some of that may be purely to avoid having a couple of non-functional controls left over, but, hey, it's all good...) and the whatinthenameofgodisthatcaster[2] now sports a Seymour Duncan JB at the bridge.

Having done one rehearsal and one in-at-the-deep-end gig[3] with my new band I can honestly say that I still think this is a fabulous guitar - like the PRS Mira which is my main instrument it seems to really come to life in your hands and howl (in the nicest possible way) with a bit of volume and a cranked amp. I did manage to dislocate the whammy bar (treble side pivot slipped out of it's notch) with a bit of over-exuberant tremelo abuse on White Wedding but I really don't think either Nick, Washburn, or the guitar can be blamed for that as I really was being very silly with it by this point.

Sadly I really can't keep gigging someone else's guitar (particularly not something as rare as the EC seems to be) so it's being replaced with a Squier Showmaster (which if nothing else is slightly less likely to have the bass players eye out with the headstock!) but I'm really going to miss it and will definitely be looking out for my own when circumstances allow...

--
Jonathon.

[1] A chap could get used to having a personal guitar tech, especially when the deal seems to include a couple of rooms full of tasty axes...

[2] It does tend to provoke double-takes from people who've never seen one before. And that's most people...

[3] In my home town of Braintree - the thought of playing in front of people who might actually recognise me was scary even before the venue got raided for drugs while we were half way through unloading...
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Post by: ncmreynolds on January 02, 2010, 08:00:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JayGee

Sadly I really can't keep gigging someone else's guitar (particularly not something as rare as the EC seems to be) so it's being replaced with a Squier Showmaster (which if nothing else is slightly less likely to have the bass players eye out with the headstock!) but I'm really going to miss it and will definitely be looking out for my own when circumstances allow...



Well at least it's getting played, it spends a lot of time sitting in a case round here. Finding another one in the UK may be interesting. They must be around but I can't imagine they change hands very often. This one was on eBay twice before I bought it and other than that I think I've seen one EC36 on there. There are probably a couple lurking in music shops but it's a matter of finding one.

It's probably easier to find one in the US and get it shipped.



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Title: Working on my butchered EC29 (image heavy)
Post by: ncmreynolds on March 28, 2010, 03:36:15 PM
I've started out on the scratchplate idea for this, details on my blog (http://spongeoffun.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-scratchplate-for-ec29-part-1.html).



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Post by: ncmreynolds on March 31, 2010, 04:48:08 PM
More updates...

Part 2 (http://spongeoffun.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-scratchplate-for-ec29-part-2.html)
Part 3 (http://spongeoffun.blogspot.com/2010/03/making-scratchplate-for-ec29-part-3.html)

...it's not perfect but it was a bit of fun and my first venture into custom scratchplates.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a5Be4oJ2smc/S7O-Yj_KNOI/AAAAAAAAAvs/gKQRINpW9yE/s1600/ec29scratchplate08.png)




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Post by: darreno27 on March 31, 2010, 08:38:19 PM
Very nice.  How hard was it to fit the original floyd on it?

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Post by: Cornish Boy on April 01, 2010, 07:26:34 AM
Nice job Nick, how's it sound now with the SDs in place??
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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 01, 2010, 07:53:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cornish Boy

Nice job Nick, how's it sound now with the SDs in place??



I don't know, I haven't wired it up yet. It was really nice last time when it had a JBJ in the bridge and the same single coil at the neck. This time I've replaced the bridge with a TB4 so I imagine it'll be similar.



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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 01, 2010, 07:59:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by darreno27

Very nice.  How hard was it to fit the original floyd on it?



This had the 600S tremolo so it just plonked straight in.



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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 02, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
Having wired this up and set the action I've got Bionicducks problem, the baseplate of the Floyd is far too close to the scratchplate.

This isn't surprising as I deliberately ran the scratchplate under trem to make it look seamless. I'm going to have to remove it and make a cutout just in front of the trem. While I'm there I'll open out the hole for the neck pickup.



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Post by: vheissu on April 02, 2010, 09:30:52 AM
Thats a shame, because she's a real beauty! I have been looking around to try and find one of these ever since seeing this topic, no luck as of yet. They seem to be rather rare.

Ben
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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 03, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
Yesterday I sorted it out to make it playable (http://spongeoffun.blogspot.com/2010/04/making-scratchplate-for-ec29-part-4.html). I'll have to redo the scratchplate, especially along the top edge of the Floyd Rose but it's worked out OK otherwise.

Having the bridge pickup mounted direct in the scratchplate didn't really work, it needed to be wound right up. Having a pickup surround works much better. When I order another piece of blank scratchplate material I'll order a white surround so it blends in more.

The neck pickup worked OK mounted in the scratchplate but I may leave it like this mounted to the body.

I made a half hearted attempt to polish out the scratches I put in the finish when I sanded the repair I did back, but they're a bit deep. I'm not sure there's any remedy beyond a refinish.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a5Be4oJ2smc/S7ZHMIMmpOI/AAAAAAAAAv4/FCqiejw5nAk/s1600/ec29scratchplate09.png)




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Post by: arykala on April 03, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
how does she play now?

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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 03, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by arykala

how does she play now?


Nicely, but then this was always really a cosmetic exercise. Swapping from a JBJ to a TB4 hasn't been massively noticeable but since I've done this all I've played is some old school thrash metal. When I've had a bit more time with it and played some more subtle stuff I may notice a difference, but then I'm hardly captain subtle.



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Post by: arykala on April 09, 2010, 11:53:49 AM
I love the trem arm with the nobbles on it...

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Post by: BlueBuddha on April 09, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
thats a Maverick trem arm if i'm not mistaken
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Post by: ncmreynolds on April 09, 2010, 05:58:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha

thats a Maverick trem arm if i'm not mistaken



It is quite cool, it's actually off an old BC Rich trem I have. I used it as the Floyd was bought secondhand and didn't come with one. The knobbles are O-rings that sit in grooves machined into it.



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Post by: Cornish Boy on April 10, 2010, 04:56:41 AM
EC 29 in the States

http://cgi.ebay.com/1980s-Washburn-EC-29-Extended-Cutaway-29-Frets-No-Res_W0QQitemZ280489700249QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item414e7d2b99
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Post by: namkrad on April 14, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
Really nice work on this one!
I´ve been lusting forever wanting an ec29/36.
There is little spec to be seen though.
What is the scale length on it?
Jan