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Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: LAPetrarca on September 08, 2009, 02:17:31 PM
What's up????  Am I the only forum member that owns a Timbercraft?????

Over two months and nobody's posted!

Washburn D52SW - Timbercraft Brigade
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Washburn D10SCEB
Washburn M4 mandolin
Washburn M1SDL mandolin
Epiphone AJ100VS
Carlo Robelli J220-VS
Guild Pilot Bass
Michael Kelly Firefly 4-string fretless A/E Bass
Squier Vintage Modified fretless Jazz Bass
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Squint on September 21, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
That's not good! I've played them and they're fine guitars.

'93 Washburn J-9 Washington
'97 Washburn J-9 Washington  
'02 Washburn J28SCEDL Cumberland
'90 Washburn EA20YBR Festival
'83 Washburn D66SW Prairie Song Custom
'04 Washburn D104SCE  
'04 & '05 D'Aquisto CENTURAS (violin burst)
'77 Electra X-410 Jazz Strad
'77 Electra Maple Pro (autographed by Bill Nelson)
'04 Aria PE SPL DLX SD
'82 Aria ProII Thor Sound 600
'05 Agile 2500-12
'06 Agile TC-630
Fender P-bass


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Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: LAPetrarca on September 23, 2009, 05:23:07 AM
Hey Squint!  Glad you found your way over here!

Yes they are!  I'll put my D52 against many of the high end brand name guitars anytime!  Not only does it sound good but, it plays WERY well too!

Washburn D52SW - Timbercraft Brigade
Washburn DM2000S Ltd. Ed. - Millenium Brigade
Washburn D10SCEB
Washburn M4 mandolin
Washburn M1SDL mandolin
Epiphone AJ100VS
Carlo Robelli J220-VS
Guild Pilot Bass
Michael Kelly Firefly 4-string fretless A/E Bass
Squier Vintage Modified fretless Jazz Bass
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: ship of fools on September 29, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
Is yours an actual Timber Craft or a Timber Ridge, because as far as I know they are different the D52SW ( Timber Ridge ) is a Dread and the J52SW ( Timber Craft ) is a Jumbo, but both a very sweet guitars and worthy of their stature in Washburns line.Ship

Millenium Brigade
Rover Brigade
Another WAGJammer
Timbercraft Brigade J52SW
D78-SW
and other great sounding and playing guitars
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: LAPetrarca on October 01, 2009, 09:40:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ship of fools

Is yours an actual Timber Craft or a Timber Ridge, because as far as I know they are different the D52SW ( Timber Ridge ) is a Dread and the J52SW ( Timber Craft ) is a Jumbo, but both a very sweet guitars and worthy of their stature in Washburns line.Ship



The Washburn catalog lists it as a Timbercraft.  Sure you don't have the models reversed?


http://www.washburn.com/instruments/acoustics/

Washburn D52SW - Timbercraft Brigade
Washburn DM2000S Ltd. Ed. - Millenium Brigade
Washburn D10SCEB
Washburn M4 mandolin
Washburn M1SDL mandolin
Epiphone AJ100VS
Carlo Robelli J220-VS
Guild Pilot Bass
Michael Kelly Firefly 4-string fretless A/E Bass
Squier Vintage Modified fretless Jazz Bass
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: ship of fools on October 02, 2009, 09:01:51 AM
No, but I do wonder when they switched over the name at one time the Jumbo's were called Timber Craft and the dreads were known as Timber Ridge, here is a pic of my label. (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/ship123/guitars007.jpg) and a pic of my guit. (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/ship123/guitars009.jpg)
But both are very nice guitars, aren't they.Ship

Millenium Brigade
Rover Brigade
Another WAGJammer
Timbercraft Brigade J52SW
D78-SW
and other great sounding and playing guitars
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on October 02, 2009, 08:02:07 PM
Nice. I've got a Timbercraft J58SW on the way!!!! New Old Stock..... I can't wait to hear that badboy!!!
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: jimsmithsr on October 04, 2009, 03:28:28 AM
Here's the Timbercraft series from the 2007 Washburn Product catalog:

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/jimsmithsrr/2007page4.jpg)

(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/jimsmithsrr/2007page5.jpg)

Too bad this series was dropped (with the exception of the D-64 SW Bluegrass....I think it's still being made)....excellent value in solid wood guitars....my personal favorities are the J-56 SW and the B-52 SW.  I believe the J-52 SW and the D-56 SW were also a part of this series. [:)]
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: ship of fools on October 04, 2009, 09:53:25 AM
You betcha Jim they were also part of the series ( J-52-SW and the D-56SW, I have the J-52SW and it is still one of my favs to get that big sound from her ) ), but according to my older (96) cataloque the Jumbo's { J series } were called Timber Craft and the Dreads were called Timber Ridge along with the folk guitars.
I am still thinking hard about that D-64SW but I am also thinking of Rockets J-58SW and so far I am leaning towards Rockets if I can swing my wife over ( doesn't help that I just bought some more recording equipment though to help boost production )Oh well do I really need another guitar, while being retired, you betcha.Ship...and on a side note Jim I am still pushing hard for them to write that article and do some photo's of your collection, which I believe is the largest single owner collection of any make of guitars in the world ( not owned by a company or employee )incredible is all I have to say

Millenium Brigade
Rover Brigade
Another WAGJammer
Timbercraft Brigade J52SW
D-78SW
D-68SW
DM2000S Millenium limited edition
and other great sounding and playing guitars
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Tio Kimo on October 13, 2009, 05:53:24 AM
here's your D-60S Timber Ridge, at that point the name for the base solid wood guitar in the line (1981)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/D-60%20Timber%20Ridge/P1080801.jpg)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/D-60%20Timber%20Ridge/P1090108.jpg)

I freakin' LOVE the Ovangkol pickguard.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on May 26, 2010, 10:12:39 PM
Where can I find these fine guitars?
How much would they cost?
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 26, 2010, 11:11:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

Where can I find these fine guitars?
How much would they cost?


I've had a J58SW/DL for sale... but I'm not covering shipping costs to Malaysia. You can come pick it up tho.

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/RocketWorks/Guitars/100_0449.jpg)
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee248/RocketWorks/Guitars/100_0451.jpg)
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on May 26, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
The pickguard, is it original? It looks different from the pictures I see here.

What is your selling price for this guitar?
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 27, 2010, 07:46:31 AM
There were a couple of items I didn't feel were up to standard so I did some upgrades:
Replaced standard chrome Grover tuning machines with 18:1 gold locking Grovers.
Replaced plastic bridge pins/endpin with Rosewood w/Abalone pin set.
Replaced Timbercraft with Cumberland style pickguard.
Replaced standard HSC with deluxe brown leather HSC w/Washburn logo.

Price: $600 US... (buyer ships)
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: YerDugliness on May 27, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket


I've had a J58SW/DL for sale...


Rocket, is this the Washburn you've said you'd never sell?

Dugly [8D]

Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 27, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

Rocket, is this the Washburn you've said you'd never sell?

Did I say that?
Sounds like a stupid statement, (especially for me!)
Nevertheless...
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: YerDugliness on May 28, 2010, 02:26:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

The pickguard, is it original? It looks different from the pictures I see here.

What is your selling price for this guitar?



Roger, if you're in the market for a jumbo model, you couldn't do better than buying from Rocket.  He takes great care of his guitars and if he says they are in good shape, you can take that to the bank.  I've bought three guitars from him, would gladly buy from him again if he was selling the right guitar.

I asked him if this was the one Washburn that he said he would never sell b/c I was interested in finding out if this one was his fave...I see he's spent quite a bit of time and effort making it very distinctive.  Whether or not you're interested in all his particular mods is up to you, but if you didn't know it Rocket is a touring musician (says he's retired now [;)] ), so he knows a quality instrument when he runs across one.  IF this is that one Washburn he said he would never sell, it should be a special guitar, indeed (and I really DO like the looks of that pickguard, as well as the gold Grovers!).

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Guitar Playin' FOOL, retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!
Washburns: WD32S, WD32SW. D61SW, and C124SW
Other fine acoustic guitars by Breedlove (custom shop Revival Series 000), Darren Hippner (#506), Takamini (2005 LTD), Epiphone (Masterbilt AJ500RC), and Yamaha (G231-II)

Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 28, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
That's the one.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Deacon on May 29, 2010, 07:18:03 AM
Hey Rocket!!  My brother Carl lives in Orlando, and is looking for a Jumbo.  Can I send him your way?

Btw... if you are ever looking for a tenor player, he's top notch!!  He also does guitar (lead, rhythm, acoustic), bass, keys, and he sings pretty good too.  :-)

Deacon
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 29, 2010, 08:46:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Deacon

Hey Rocket!!  My brother Carl lives in Orlando, and is looking for a Jumbo.  Can I send him your way?

Sure.
quote:
Btw... if you are ever looking for a tenor player, he's top notch!!  He also does guitar (lead, rhythm, acoustic), bass, keys, and he sings pretty good too.

I'm retired... no more for me.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on May 31, 2010, 10:32:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

That's the one.


Why do you want to sell it now?
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on May 31, 2010, 10:38:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

That's the one.


Why do you want to sell it now?


I don't use it.
I need acoustic/electric... I asked Washburn to make me the same model as A/E w/cutaway but no dice... so I bought a J-185 EC... now that's my main acoustic.
Search my old posts for more details.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: YerDugliness on June 01, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

I asked Washburn to make me the same model as A/E w/cutaway but no dice...


Washburn has a way of doing that, don't they?  Back when BrownDog was with us and they were still making the D82SW and D84SW models, I tried to get them to make me a D84SW with a 1 7/8 neck width.  Stover liked the idea, but somebody higher up at Washburn put the kibosh on the idea with terminology something like this.....Sure, we could do that, but we could paint it green, too....doesn't mean we will do it!

For a regular mass-produced production model, I could see the logic in refusing to create a custom CE model, but for the U.S. Handmade shop's luthier to sprinkle holy water on the idea of a wider neck for a D84SW and then to have the project quashed by some high muckety-muck caused me to take my money to the competition.  Breedlove was only too happy to take my money and make me the guitar I wanted..........I've said it before, I'll say it again (with my apologies to WBNick, who agrees that it was bad PR)....Shame on Washburn!

Dugly [8D]
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on June 01, 2010, 11:45:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

Washburn has a way of doing that, don't they?

Yup... but in this case, they did eventually make the J58SWE... I've seen 2 of them for sale in the last year. Should have had the cutaway in that model.
Too little, too late.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 02, 2010, 03:10:54 AM
Does the J58SW/DL sound better than a D10SCEDL?
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on June 02, 2010, 07:14:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

Does the J58SW/DL sound better than a D10SCEDL?

WHAT???
Are you serious. Are you impaired in some small way?
What kind of question is that... never mind... don't reply... I can't even respond to your inane questions anymore!
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: vheissu on June 02, 2010, 07:45:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

Does the J58SW/DL sound better than a D10SCEDL?

WHAT???
Are you serious. Are you impaired in some small way?
What kind of question is that... never mind... don't reply... I can't even respond to your inane questions anymore!



ROFL!! Raden, I think you've upset Rocket now.
I can answer your question with two very simple, and really rather small, words HELL YES!!! If it didn't I doubt many would be spending all those extra $$s on one.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 02, 2010, 10:35:08 PM
I am very sorry if I have offended anyone. That was really an innocent question anyway. Technically, I am almost ignorant about guitars althought I have been playing for many years. That is why a lot of my questions may sound stupid or silly, with no meaning for most of you in this forum, but they mean something for me. All the while I have been using very cheap guitars, the most expensive being a Suzuki guitar and I never cared about the technical aspects of them because I could always buy another one if they got damaged. I have only grown interest in the technical side of guitars after I purchased my Washburn guitar three months ago and especially since I joined this forum. I could have purchased a Takamine EG341SC or ED26SC instead but I chose the Washburn guitar after reading the reviews in the internet.  

In my place here the Washburn stock is very limited and I have seen less than five models. I have never seen and really have no idea of the quality of the model we are talking about here. I compare it to the D10SCEDL because that is the most expensive Washburn guitar I can find here. The branded acoustic guitars that are plenty here are mostly Yamahas, Suzukis, Takamines, Crafters, Finas, and Weststars. The Taylors and Martins can only be seen maybe once in a lifetime.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on June 02, 2010, 11:46:11 PM
The D10 is pretty much the starter Washburn acoustic. The Timbercrafts are higher-end and since the US Custom Shop stopped production, are top-end. You'd probably find a J58 unplayable.

Here's a great place to ask lots of questions: (http://www.thefret.net/images/misc/TheFret-Logo-web.png) (http://www.thefret.net/)
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 03, 2010, 01:10:42 AM
Thanks Rocket.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 03, 2010, 01:13:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by vheissu
ROFL!! Raden, I think you've upset Rocket now.
I can answer your question with two very simple, and really rather small, words HELL YES!!! If it didn't I doubt many would be spending all those extra $$s on one.



vheissu, what does ROFL mean?
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: YerDugliness on June 03, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

I am very sorry if I have offended anyone. That was really an innocent question anyway. Technically, I am almost ignorant about guitars althought I have been playing for many years. That is why a lot of my questions may sound stupid or silly, with no meaning for most of you in this forum, but they mean something for me.


No problem.....and don't take Rocket too seriously (Lord knows, he doesn't take himself too seriously, so we shouldn't, either, right?). He's a bit of a rascal, but he's very knowledgable.  I can remember the beginning of my journey with a guitar (not quite 40 years ago) and many of the questions you ask would surely have come from me, too.

One thing you might be interested in regarding your question about the J58SW and D10S is the difference in their construction.  The D10S has a solid wood soundboard and laminated sides/back.  The J58SW is of all solid wood construction.  The J58SW is also much larger than the D10S, particularly in depth (but also in body shape), and that is what makes a jumbo hard to play for anyone other than a large individual. They do sound different b/c the larger internal volume and general size of the J58SW will emphasize (reinforce) different portions of the sound spectrum, as well as add a bit of volume. Better has to be a subjective issue; hence, Rocket's apparent impatience.  We here in the U.S. have greater availability and most of us do not buy a guitar until we have played it.....you do not have that opportunity, which puts you at a disadvantage.  Don't be afraid to ask questions.

The issue of all solid-wood construction can have long-term benefits.  When a guitar is made of all laminate construction (like plywood), what you hear when you get the guitar is as good as it will ever sound.  However, because of the way the cells in solid wood become more resonant with age, the sound of an all solid-wood guitar will improve with age.  Most of us agree that the biggest improvement from ageing comes from the soundboard, and both guitars you mentioned have solid wood soundboards, but I can attest to the fact that solid wood back/sides make a bit of difference, too.  My first Washburn was a WD32S (solid sound board, laminate sides and back) and my second was a WD32SW (solid sound board, solid sides and back)--for most purposes the same guitar, the only difference being the all solid-wood construction of the WD32SW.  My first WOW moment with the WD32SW came the first time I held it and strummed the strings....the guitar felt more active, I could feel the wood vibrating where the backs and sides touched my body whereas with the WD32S there was none of that.  Sonically they are similar, but also different.  The benefits of improved tonality and sustain that come with ageing are slow to develop and might well not be noticed to an owner who plays the guitar every day, but they are real.  We call the process ...opening up.

So, it is POSSIBLE that the J58SW, being all solid wood construction, might improve in sound quality with ageing to a greater degree than the D10S.....again, we all hear differently and to some the changes might not be as noticable as they are to others.

Oh, BTW (which means by the way)--ROFL means rolling on floor, laughing, ROFLMAO means rolling on floor, laughing my a** off.....these abbreviations seem to have originated with text messageing when cell phone companies charged for text messages by counting the characters in the text.

Keep on asking questions.....we were all beginners at one time.

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Guitar Playin' FOOL, retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!
Washburns: WD32S, WD32SW. D61SW, and C124SW
Other fine acoustic guitars by Breedlove (custom shop Revival Series 000), Darren Hippner (#506), Takamini (2005 LTD), Epiphone (Masterbilt AJ500RC), and Yamaha (G231-II)

Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on June 03, 2010, 05:13:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness

The J58SW is also much larger than the D10S, particularly in depth (but also in body shape), and that is what makes a jumbo hard to play for anyone other than a large individual.

Paul Simon, Emmylou Harris, Brian Setzer, (among many others including myself,) would disagree. Player size is not a factor in guitar choice or why would Clapton prefer a 00... unless he's secretly a Little Person.
I'm not a large person... like others, I play jumbo's because I prefer the sound.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 04, 2010, 12:40:41 AM
Thank you for your lenghty explanation YerDugliness. Is it true that the guitar top makes 95% of the sound quality?

BTW, what does ROWL mean - Roll on w......laughing? I saw this abbreviation in one of the topics here.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 04, 2010, 12:43:31 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket
Paul Simon, Emmylou Harris, Brian Setzer, (among many others including myself,) would disagree. Player size is not a factor in guitar choice or why would Clapton prefer a 00... unless he's secretly a Little Person.
I'm not a large person... like others, I play jumbo's because I prefer the sound.


I agree with you Rocket. My brother is only slighty larger than me but he plays an Ibanez jumbo.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: YerDugliness on June 04, 2010, 02:59:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by radenshirinji

Thank you for your lenghty explanation YerDugliness. Is it true that the guitar top makes 95% of the sound quality?

BTW, what does ROWL mean - Roll on w......laughing? I saw this abbreviation in one of the topics here.



I'm not sure about the 95% assertion, but IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) it might be 65%-75%.  Don't underestimate the contribution of the box (the sides and back) to the sonic characteristics of the guitar.  My WD32S (which you no longer see on my profile signature b/c I gave it away to a promising young musician yesterday) had better bass than my WD32SW....I think the laminate construction resulted in a stiffer body.  The energy that was not absorbed by the body, resulting in vibration, was therefore used to provide greater acoustic reinforcement and projected back out the soundhole.  My WD32SW, however, has a much sweeter sound....I attribute that to the contribution of the solid wood back and sides...there seems to be a greater emphasis on the harmonic overtones with the WD32SW and a greater emphasis on the fundamental harmonics with the WD32S.  Each sounds equally good, each better than the other on certain types of music.....but still different.  IMHO, though, the soundboard is responsible for the majority of the sonic character of a guitar.....that may explain why my preference is for a cedar/redwood soundboard over a spruce soundboard.  Cedar seems to be more responsive to left-hand technique, whereas spruce responds well when driven hard (and cedar tends to break up when driven hard).  Redwood seems to offer the best of both worlds....it is responsive/expressive like cedar and stands up to vigorous strumming like spruce.  I have both a classical and a steel-string guitar with redwood soundboards.....they are my high-end guitars.  My fave, though, is a mid-priced Epiphone with a cedar soundboard and rosewood backs/sides.....the body is a 12 fret-free advanced jumbo model (fits well in a dreadnought guitar case) with a slot-head. The V-neck is quite nice for my playing style (classical guitar posture) and the scale and nut-width are just a delightful combo.

So, you can see that there is more to preference than just tonewoods.....which is the reason most of us here recommend you spend as much time in as many music stores playing as many different types of guitars as possible.  That perfect combination might just fall into your hands at any time.

As for ROWL.....sorry, can't help you there.....that one's a mystery to me.

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Guitar Playin' FOOL, retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!
Washburns: WD32SW, D61SW, and C124SW
Other fine acoustic guitars by Breedlove (custom shop Revival Series 000), Darren Hippner (#506), Takamini (2005 LTD), Epiphone (Masterbilt AJ500RC), and Yamaha (G231-II)

Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: Rocket on June 04, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
ROWL = Raised Outline White Letters
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: nogin007 on June 04, 2010, 05:20:04 PM
and that is what makes a jumbo hard to play for anyone other than a large individual.

I wouldn't call Little Jimmy Dickens a large individual. I think he played a Gibson J200.
Title: Am I the only one?
Post by: radenshirinji on June 07, 2010, 03:50:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness
So, you can see that there is more to preference than just tonewoods.....which is the reason most of us here recommend you spend as much time in as many music stores playing as many different types of guitars as possible.  That perfect combination might just fall into your hands at any time.

Dugly [8D]



You are lucky you can try playing the guitars at the music stores. Some of the guitar stores here would not allow me to try their guitars, unless I make a commitment I would buy it. Most of the times I only hear the guitar sound from the store assistants who play for me. There is a lot of possibility I would not know the perfect combination.