The Washburn Guitars Forum

Washburn Electric Guitars Forums => Idol Series => Topic started by: WB-Nick on October 22, 2009, 04:37:15 PM

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on October 22, 2009, 04:37:15 PM
We are working on a re-design of the Idol.  Making the body a little longer and a little narrower.  Anyone see any reason to keep the old shape once we come out with the new?

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on October 22, 2009, 08:44:17 PM
well, I do. But that doesn't mean I'm against trying something new.

one question. Why?

got any CAD or proto pics you care to share?

ok, so that's 2 questions.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on October 29, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
I understand the idol will be redesigned to look similar to the Les Paul?

there is one reason to keep the old shape, it's unique, there are A LOT of Les Paul look alike guitars out there
the Idol is unique, it's special and it looks good.
no one been able to top the Les Paul single cut in shape and design except Washburn's Idol.

is this design part of the Jam take over?

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on October 30, 2009, 08:48:17 AM
Thanks for the input guys.  The problem is that the Idol doesn't appeal to most people.  There are some, like yourselves, that love it, but most people will buy an LP shaped guitar over the Idol.  This is what the new owner is looking at.  Yes, he wants to change the design and sell more guitars.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on October 30, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
Then Washburn will lose it's appeal to me.

Washburn makes special guitars, that's what I liked about it,
making Les Paul copies is something I would expect from a small
company who just started out and wants to get a market share, not from
a company who is over 100 years old and already has it's own body shape
design.


____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'09 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: hansvaneven on October 31, 2009, 03:41:03 AM
Personally I really LOVE the Idol look, it's unique and I actually prefer it over Les Paul shape, so hopefullly you'll keep the current shape ;)

thanks,

Hans
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: hansvaneven on November 01, 2009, 11:19:55 AM
Hi Nick,

well, after looking at it again, maybe a small upgrade like this may work ?

This is the original Idol Shape :

(http://www.musicworks.fr/washburn_idol_a.jpg)

My small updated suggestion :

(http://www.musicworks.fr/washburn_idol_b.jpg)

Hope this helps [:)]

Cheers,

Hans
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on November 01, 2009, 12:05:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

there is one reason to keep the old shape, it's unique, there are A LOT of Les Paul look alike guitars out there
the Idol is unique, it's special and it looks good.


I have to agree with that - why just replicate what everyone else is doing? I would have to wonder about the business case for that. I'd think it would have to be all about producing the least-cost competitor among the many LP copies out there, particularly if, as people here seem to be observing, the USA custom-shop business is being curtailed. Certainly, I don't think the folks on here, people that appreciate something unique in Washburn's offerings, would want that.

I don't mind a new direction in and of itself. I'm just not sure I buy the LP copy approach. Washburn, to me, stands for something special and I think that's the real value in your brand; well-designed, well-made guitars at affordable prices and guitars that you will not get from anyone else. If I were running Washburn, I'd protect and grow that aspect of my brand as my absolute first priority.

Those are the reasons I've bought my Washburns. I'd also add, based on the conversations I've seen here, that promotion and distribution are the priorities. My Washburns are all good guitars for the money. I think the product can sell itself. The issue that keeps surfacing on this forum is that people don't see them in their local music stores and never get a chance to try them out.

I say, don't be afraid to be a cult brand. Leverage that and take it viral.

I also have to say . . . when I look at my lovely trans-red WI-45 hanging on the wall, I see a lovely, buxom, curvaceous woman inside her. I don't necessarily get that from my Univox LP copy. Just sayin'.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on November 01, 2009, 12:45:03 PM
bring back the P series!!!!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on November 01, 2009, 01:13:45 PM
I gotta say, I agree with most everything I'm reading here.
Including Bluebuddha
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shoveller on November 01, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
OK, I admit I've not played electric in years, but I really do like the Idol's shape. It is unique and I'd hate to see it disappear in the name of progress. The longer/narrower body suggestion makes me think of a Michael Kelly Patriot, more so than an LP.

Anyway, isn't one of Paul Stanley's signature models a slight shape variation on an LP body?

If Idol sales are lagging, maybe more agressive marketing is the answer???

(Or is the Idol shape now tainted because of the Hanna Montana version? :0  )

Cheers,
Shoveller
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on November 02, 2009, 08:49:48 AM
Thanks guys, i really appreciate the feedback and i will bring up your comments when discussing this issue with the boss.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Metalgoth on November 02, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
My two cents:  I prefer the thicker WI66ANC to the standard thinner Idols.  Also, now I've got a WM526, that carbon whosit fretboard makes a great option.  When I think of an LP-style guitar made for shredding, I immediately think of the ANC.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: NelsonB on November 02, 2009, 07:46:54 PM
I'm new here, and I was drawn here by my interest in the Idol series.  I agree with one thing already pointed out, it would be nice if you could actually get a hold of one these guitars in a store and try them out.  I already have a LP copy, so why would I want another one.  
I like the fact that there was carious types of Idols, some thin, some thick, different trim levels, etc.  
Change the shape and you can’t call it an Idol anymore…….
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: hansvaneven on November 03, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
Talking about thickness, as a demonstrator for Washburn in France and having played both NC and Wi568, the thinner Wi568 models are my prefered ones and btw much easier to play then a Les Paul. Like others have already stated here, what I like about Washburn in general is that they have original shapes and configurations vs Gibson and Fender. People who want a Les Paul or Strat buy Gibson or Fender, but Washburn has something unique which others don't have, please keep that unique touch!

Cheers,

Hans
www.hansvaneven.com
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: fuzzyfoamrace on November 05, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
These last few idols on ebay in satin from funky monkey is what you should be makin!!! THESE KILL anything in this price from Gibson- Seriously- i am not sayin that idols arent worth 2000-2500 like most custom shop models go for (street price) BUT at that point most will opt for the Gibson. A minor tweak like the one above is cool BUT i agree to many dead copys-
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on November 05, 2009, 09:08:54 AM
Carvin CS
Dean Soltero
Dean EVO
Cort Zenox
ESP Eclipse
DiPinto Balvedere
First Act Lola
Heritage H137
Jersey Girl
Gretch Jet series
PRS SC
Michael Kelly Patriot
Schecter Solo 6
Hagstrom Swede
Sparrow Rat Rod

all of the above have a Les Paul copy
and most would probably be much cheaper than anything coming out of the Washburn custom shop
and in the USA Washburn price range, most would go for the original
keep the Idol!

a guitar gains a following and a name to itself by being made long term, reshaping the guitar over and over really doesn't help it's
second hand market value or the reputation of the maker.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: hansvaneven on November 05, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
This phrase from shaulin is exactly what I think : a guitar gains a following and a name to itself by being made long term, reshaping the guitar over and over really doesn't help it's
second hand market value or the reputation of the maker.

A classic needs years to be become a classic, if you change shapes and models too much people won't have the time to become used to a certain shape. And I think this is a small mistake from Washburn, they change models too often ... I'm sure the Idol shape will be more and more popular if you keep it alive long enough. Hence, the reason why Fender and Gibson don't re-shape most of their models ...
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on November 09, 2009, 04:37:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

Thanks guys, i really appreciate the feedback and i will bring up your comments when discussing this issue with the boss.



I hope we can hear what the boss said :)

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on November 09, 2009, 08:58:56 AM
He'll be here in a couple weeks and i'll let you know how it goes.

thanks,
Nick
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Scott C on November 10, 2009, 06:17:58 PM
I agree with what most everyone has already said.

Gibson and Fender = Coke and Pepsi
Washburn = Dr. Pepper

If I want a Les Paul copy, I'd buy an Epiphone (or maybe PRS).  In other words, I don't think changing the shape of the Washburn will increase sales.

Maybe make the cheapo Washburn WI14s, etc. Les Paul copies, but I'd keep the mid- and high range guitars unique.

And like many have said, get Washburns out in the stores that people are shopping at (Guitar Center, etc.)

Best wishes Nick and everyone at Washburn at what is probably a bit of a scary time.  Hope things go well.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: fuzzyfoamrace on November 11, 2009, 12:27:49 AM
OK- first research Gibson les paul on ebay. #1 you will NOT find Hannah montana on any gibson.They do not make the gibson name avaialble on bottom end guitars (i realize there is a market for these).I feel the basic problem is you have $2000 custom shop guitars which some arent even aware that exist and you have this low end crap all over ebay for $50 which kills the percieved quality of the brand. If you are an import company then understand you are NEVER going to compete with a american icon like a les paul. I think your custom shop stuff kills gibson BUT for every nice custom shop you put out there are a hundred piece of crap guitars with the washburn name being drug in the mud. Then guys who invested in your custom shop guitars get nothing if they resale because most of the washburns for sale on the internet are the crappy imports.

Epiphone is the import side of gibson as we all know and MOST the time they dont even sell bottom end guitars like washburn does. Your design is good BUT your marketing stinks!!!! I have been very intrigued by this whole new owner thing on this forum and the proposed changes. So much so i have asked EVERY player i know in my area about washburn to judge their reaction. MOST if not all didnt know washburn had a USA custom shop- hows that??? Boogie street always has them on the net you say- Who the hell is boogie street or funky monkey??? I am internet savy (somewhat) but alot of people simply arent or dont search out info like this. I know both online dealers above and have even purchased from one of them , No disrespect is meant , they both are great. I still feel like getting the GOOD stuff out in stores for people to pley is where you start. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART- dont charge $2000 street price for a custom shop guitar!!! At least not yet, get some out there and make sure the quality is awesome and watch word of mouth spread. Funky monkey is selling NICE usa custom idols for 1079 YES $1079!!!! I know he is making money and so is washburn so WHY not run with this and get these guitars out to guitar center etc. This guitar for under 1100 has a nice flame top , abalone inlays and hard case. I am POSITIVE at thgis price or one very close to this they would fly off the shelf. These are WAY nicer then any studios which are going for 1300 at guitar center. Thats where washburn should aim- squarely at people who are paying 1200-1300 for a les paul studio.

I have rambled long enough- I think the fact that a good percentage of buyers DONT know about your custom shop guitars or cant play one to feel the quality kills you. Then the fact that Washburns name is on some of the junkiest el cheapo guitars is just another nail in the coffin. I sincerely hope the new owners listen- I also wish them well!!!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on November 11, 2009, 01:11:26 AM
I have to agree with fuzzy, Washburn's marketing is bad, dealers can't carry that mission for the company.
seems like only a select few know about the USA custom shop.

low end Washburns should be sold under the Lion brand and only USA made guitar should stay under the Washburn brand name.

I hope the new owner won't go the easy and start making les paul replicas, those won't sell and will only lower the brand's
image.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Mr. Bradley on November 12, 2009, 10:01:07 PM
Whoa...hmmm
It would be good to re-design a classic
But I really love the Idol shape.
That's why I gotta Idol! Because it's different.
But how big a difference are you going to make it smaller and narrower?
Would the shape appeal to a different type of audience? Like what the other guys were saying, an audience that is into more Les Paul shaped guitars?
I would personally like that you'd keep the original shape.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: fuinstrumental on November 22, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
I've been a Washburn owner since i started playing when i bought my Strat copy shadow sieres as a kid.  This is outrageous , I've always loved the Les Paul design. but, Everyone and their grandma owns or plays on a Les Paul.  Why on earth would you want to make the Idol look more like it?  The reason i bought it was that is was similar but not a knock off.  I feel the design is much better looking and its good to see some change. I didn't buy the idol cause it was a Washburn Les Paul. Lets think about it, if i wanted the Les Paul shape and look exactly, Wouldn't i just buy a Les Paul? And forget about Washburn all together? The bottom line is, I supported the idol. For its own look, and because it's a Washburn which ive known and loved.  Please don't change something Beautiful for more profit and business routines.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: trippinbilly03 on November 23, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
I'm looking to buy a wi66 pro or a wi590. the features seem to be very similar but the wi590 is much more expensive. could ne one tell me what the difference is and recomend which one i should buy?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on November 23, 2009, 11:24:17 PM
wrong thread to ask, but the WI66 is an import and the WI590 is USA made

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on November 29, 2009, 08:27:09 AM
DON'T CHANGE THE IDOL SHAPE. Leave it alone. I have 4 of them and I'm waiting on my Gold Top to make 5. I buy them for a reason. They are not LP's and IMHO better. The only thing I would suggest is changing the bridge pickup from a Custom Custom to a JB. That is my only complaint about anything Washburn puts out. JMO.......
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: EdMan57 on November 29, 2009, 01:17:31 PM
One of the main reasons I bought my '07 WI70 Pilsen XL was the price point for a USA built set-neck Les Paul like guitar.For a hair under $1,000 street,I was able to buy an electric guitar that had the best humbucker tones,neck/frets/setup,neck joint and attention to detail than any other guitar that I have ever purchased new.Hey,I love a good Les Paul as much as the next guy,but I would have had to spend close to $3,000 to get a Gibson as good as my Pilsen.And it absolutely stomped all over the more expensive LP Studios that I played before buying my WI70.

I also agree with the others that feel that Washburn should better differentiate between their USA and import lines.



Ed

My current guitar harem includes a USA Washburn WI70 Pilsen XL,USA Washburn MG-120,USA Washburn Laredo LT-92,USA Hamer Studio,'95 American Fender Custom Strat,'06 American Standard Strat,USA Hamer P-90 Special and a Yamaha Pacifica 612v.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: SuperRick on December 03, 2009, 07:21:03 AM
Why change a good thing?  The Idol, to me, is like having a 'Super LP'.  Having an LP clone is BORING.  Besides, there are way to many clones already.  Speaking of clones, thats my '82 Burny RLC60.  More a replica than what the current LP wanna-bes are.  Washburn needs to fix its feeble marketing.  That is key.  
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/SuperChunk426/DSC02894.jpg)

Tone Does NOT Come From Your Wallet!!!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 03, 2009, 01:51:49 PM
I registered for this forum just so I could respond to this topic.

I wholeheartedly agree with shaulin that a design needs to remain unchanged for a long time in order to become truly timeless.  One of the things that frustrates me about how Washburn handles the Idol is they keep changing things from year to year.  The wide-bodied Idol with the medium-thickness 22-fret neck and 3x3 headstock is perfection IMHO, but I miss the distressed natural finish with copper hardware WI64, the Damen Idol, and the half-block and delta inlays.  The Idol might be a singlecut, but it's not a Les Paul.  It's not supposed to be a Les Paul.  If Washburn want to have a Les Paul-type guitar in the lineup, then they should come up with a new design, but keep the Idol as its own thing, just like Schecter did with the Tempest and Solo 6.  Frankly, if it weren't for Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton, I don't think the Les Paul would be seen as such a big deal, some sort of standard to live up to.

And I've seen pictures of what the Idol might look like if it were longer/narrower, and it's pretty UGLY.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on December 03, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
DO NOT CHANGE THE IDOL SHAPE!!!!!!!!! The only reason I own 2 washburns is I LIKE the current Idol shape. If I wanted a more les paul shape than what the idol already is i would buy and epiphone. Or a schecter I wouldn't buy a new shape, just buy up the old on ebay.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on December 03, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

Thanks for the input guys.  The problem is that the Idol doesn't appeal to most people.  There are some, like yourselves, that love it, but most people will buy an LP shaped guitar over the Idol.  This is what the new owner is looking at.  Yes, he wants to change the design and sell more guitars.



What makes him think changing the design will result in more sales? I don't think the design is the problem.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 03, 2009, 11:28:20 PM
if the consensus is that there is market demand, (let's assume for discussion that's the case. Hard to believe, but, ok...)Why not simply ADD an LP clone to the line, and leave the Idol available as is, with well appointed quality imports and a couple high end USA's? It's truly unique in the single cut market, and get raves from people who play them.

Seems to me an original shape that can cross genre's is a pretty rare bird....and you have one in the Idol.

No one else has there name on a guitar like this.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1070235.jpg)

Every guitar manufacturer out there has there name on an LP clone. Join 'em if you must, but don't let this go.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 04, 2009, 12:52:27 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/RR59/Bluesbender.jpg)

This is a Mosrite Bluesbender, which may have indirectly influenced the Idol design.  It has a slightly longer and narrower shape than the Idol, so if Washburn are planning something like this (although this is closer to a Telecaster than a Les Paul), then maybe it could work.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/RR59/IdolStretch.jpg)

But this...no.  The aesthetic balance of the shape is lost, plus for the great upper fret access the Idol is known for to be maintained, it would require a neck joint with less structural integrity.

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on December 04, 2009, 03:21:15 AM
I still really want the Idol with the floyd rose and the pointy headstock, but in a natural finish and with an ebony board.


its so much cooler than the Les Paul Axcess which is its nearest rival

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on December 04, 2009, 08:24:51 PM
I thought the preacher was supposed to be the more Les Paul type single cut in the washburn line. Not many people buying the preacher eh'???
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 05, 2009, 01:02:50 AM
Like most here mentioned, Washburn doesn't do any real marketing for their guitars.
redesigning the Idol into a clone would lower the brand's image and take it back
10 years.
Washburn is on the right track, but doesn't have any marketing to pull the brand up.

and from a personal point of view, as if the second hand market for Washburn guitar
isn't bad enough, I have a feeling that having the custom shop making replicas
would devalue the guitars even further.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 05, 2009, 09:41:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo



Seems to me an original shape that can cross genre's is a pretty rare bird....and you have one in the Idol.

No one else has there name on a guitar like this.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1070235.jpg)

Every guitar manufacturer out there has there name on an LP clone. Join 'em if you must, but don't let this go.


So I'm looking at my Idol hanging on the wall last night thinking to myself, Why on Earth would anybody want to change that beautiful guitar? Then I look at Kimo's and think, I salivate every time he posts a photo of that thing. WHY ON EARTH would anybody want to change that guitar?

The Idol's perfectly capable of selling itself. You just need to get it into people's hands.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 05, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cedwards


The Idol's perfectly capable of selling itself. You just need to get it into people's hands.



exactly!


(and thanks for the compliment, I'll tell her you said so)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on December 05, 2009, 12:33:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by alpheus94

I thought the preacher was supposed to be the more Les Paul type single cut in the washburn line. Not many people buying the preacher eh'???



The Preacher is a lovely guitar, i'm just put off by the Paul Stanley bloke!

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 05, 2009, 12:38:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha
The Preacher is a lovely guitar, i'm just put off by the Paul Stanley bloke!


Agreed on both points
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 05, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
Another thing I forgot to point out in my above post is that a longer body style wouldn't balance as well as a thin body.  I seem to recall the Idol did have a slightly longer/narrower body style originally, and balance was an issue frequently brought up in Harmony Central reviews.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on December 05, 2009, 05:54:18 PM
I kinda like the preacher shape but not being a KISS or paul fan, It's hard for me to get into an artists guitar if i'm not that into the name on the headstock. It's too closely associated with him for me to like. Nothing against Paul, I'm just not a fan. Kiss fans probably eat it up though.

If I had one people would be Oh, so you like Kiss? nope I don't.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 06, 2009, 12:43:53 AM
Hey, I'm no Nuno fan, and I know none of Les Paul's music, but still...

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Roon on December 08, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
I Love my Idol!!
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/innerstrengthad/greenmeaniesolo1.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/innerstrengthad/DSCN6545.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/innerstrengthad/DSCN6539.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/innerstrengthad/IMG_0644.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p295/innerstrengthad/IMG_0653.jpg)
Hope evryone is good!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Roon on December 10, 2009, 02:53:16 PM

I think the Idol is just fine as it is and do not understand the need to change anything about it...EXCEPT for the way it is displayed to the marketplace & consumer. Washburn can't blame lackluster sales on a killer single-cut guitar like the Idol when they haven't really gotten behind it with a strong advert campaign. Jus my opinion. If Washburn makes a yet another single-cut..so be it.. but don't call it the Idol when we all know that it isn't the Idol anymore. I'll take an Idol over a LP anyday..anytime. I DO love my PS Preachers tho.. ;-)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 11, 2009, 02:06:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

He'll be here in a couple weeks and i'll let you know how it goes.

thanks,
Nick



Have you had a chance to speak to the boss yet?  If not, I'd point out the following to him:

ADVANTAGES OF THE IDOL DESIGN OVER THE LES PAUL

UNIQUE: With many LP clones, you need to look at the headstock to tell if it's really a Gibson (or even an Epiphone) Les Paul or a clone.  In addition, many of the better Les Paul styles (Dean EVO, Michael Kelley Patriot) are basically designed to mentally evoke the Les Paul vibe while improving upon some of the original's flaws (and avoiding a lawsuit from Gibson).  The Idol, on the other hand, has its own distinctive vibe, and hasn't been copied 1000 times-in fact, I don't think it even can be copied without infringing upon the design.

MORE MODERN: No one can deny the Les Paul sound's place in rock history, and its sound comes largely from its body design.  However, it's fairly easy to trace that body design's lineage back to jazzboxes.  The Idol, on the other hand...with the exception of perhaps the Mosrite Bluesbender I mentioned earlier, is almost 100% original.

BETTER UPPER FRET ACCESS: Frankly, I don't see why this isn't even mentioned in what little advertising Washburn does for the Idol!  For my own part, I've always been more attracted to singlecut styling over doublecut styling, but I don't have large hands so upper register playing is difficult on traditional singlecut guitars.  Mind you, I'm no shredder but my lead work often takes me above the 18th fret.  With the Idol, I can slide all the up to 22 with ease.  It's a singlecut that plays like a doublecut!  Make that your new slogan for the Idol, and you'll at least pique some LP players struggling with higher fretting's curiosity.

DESIGN'S WIDTH HAS ADVANTAGES FOR THINBODIES:  The WI64 with its thin, beveled body gives it a bit more of an SG vibe, but its wider base keeps it more balanced than most SGs.  A wide, rough leather strap can only do so much to balance a neck-heavy instrument.  Plus, its width makes it vibrate a bit more like a standard depth body, so it doesn't sound thin.  The thinbody versions of the Idol have less mass (translating to weight) than most singlecuts, but a roughly equivalent density due to the surface area of the body.

Point out all the above in a 2-page spread to be run in several guitar and music magazines, with quotes from famous/up and coming Idol players talking about how much they love the guitar and you'll see sales pick up.  The Idol totally has the potential to be Washburn's flagship instrument, and join the Stratocaster, Les Paul, Telecaster, Firebird, Jazzmaster/Jaguar, SG, and PRS Standard as a timeless, recognizable bodyshape without many preconceptions behind it.    

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 11, 2009, 06:50:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by CivoLee

Point out all the above in a 2-page spread to be run in several guitar and music magazines, with quotes from famous/up and coming Idol players talking about how much they love the guitar and you'll see sales pick up.  





Nice bullet points overall CivoLee. To this line in particular..Derek Trucks was quoted in a magazine article talking about the gear he uses and volunteered that he recorded an entire album using the WI-68. Derek Trucks!!! Is there a more pedigreed emerging guitar God? Dude makes his living trying (very well) to fill Duane Allmans shoes using an SG, and he grabs an Idol by choice in the studio? In the studio a guy can use whatever he wants no matter who endorses him, Dude grabs a USA Idol and spends weeks recording....

THIS is the sort of information that would make millions of guitarists make a trip to a store to plug in, and make Gibson Exec's lose sleep. Washburn , for whatever reason, was unable to leverage it, and is now actually spending money to abandon the shape.

I hope they reconsider, and spend the money, as CivoLee and Eric McKenna has said, on simply informing the guitar buying public of what they're missing.

Boogie Street offers it's perspective on this issue.....
Carries a little weight since it actually hits him in the wallet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12k-NJaL5nw&feature=youtube_gdata



~kimo
http://www.oldtownschool.org/
81 Washburn D-60S(W) Timber Ridge (Yamaki)
'88 Washburn HB-35TS
'92 Washburn EA20-12N
'03 Washburn Idol WI-67PROQTS
'04 Larrivée LV-03 w/ Fishman blend
Roland Cube 30X
Songworks Little Lanilei 3350LT

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 11, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
Pretty compelling stuff, Kimo.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 12, 2009, 09:42:47 AM
well let's hope that the redesign would end in a new model rather than the demise of the original Idol shape
and with a decision to start promoting the guitar properly.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Hawaii69 on December 13, 2009, 01:59:52 AM
The Idol is the only attractive guitar that Washburn makes, in my opinion.

In fact, I think it's one of the only really attractive guitars out there.

My Idol was my first electric guitar, and as a beginner, I was drawn to it
first by its looks.  After reading good reviews, I decided to get one.
I was looking at buying a Wi64, but got a really good deal on a mint used
WI66 Pro on e-bay.

Making it look like a Les Paul will ruin it.  Every guitar company out there
makes a Les Paul clone.  Making the Idol look more like a Les Paul isn't
going to sell more guitars.

If anything, it's only going to alienate Washburns fanbase.

Is the new owner the same guy who came up with New Coke
by any chance?  *facepalm*
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: svtrunner on December 14, 2009, 09:58:55 AM
The problem is that the Idol doesn't appeal to most people.

Completely stunned when I read this. I've got a WI568 and I love it! All of my friends who've played it love the sound and most of all the look of the guitar. Can you shed any light on the way you determined that the idol doesn't appeal to most people? I ask this because survey results may be affected by response bias, where the answers given by respondents do not reflect their true beliefs. Respondents may deliberately try to manipulate the outcome of a survey. For example if you ask LP owners they might say the idol is ugly only because they love their Les Pauls. I agree with the previous poster in that marketing of the Idol might be the key to boost sales. I don't think people aren't buying the idol because they don't like it. I think it's a matter of exposure.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: antwhi on December 16, 2009, 04:26:35 AM
Greetings from a Newbie. I just (yesterday) got my hands on a new WI 45F black model, Indonesian. I've been playing for 30 years and own several Gibsons, a couple of Fenders and an Epiphone.
10 days ago I'd never heard of them. I knew the Washburn name but not the name or shape of any of their models. I'd owned a Lyon superstrat in the 80s.
I'm knocked out by this guitar. The nearest equivalent I know of is the Fender Tele Custom FMT, but the Idol looks and feels better to me. I can see myself leaving Gibsons at home to gig with this....maybe even selling my Les Paul Special as surplus to requirements. I have yet to test it through my Marshall TSL122 at stage volume, so I'm not sure about the pickups yet. However, I like the looks, feel and balance so much that I'd happily put Duncans in it if I have to.
In the UK, awareness of these nice guitars is pretty low....

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 16, 2009, 11:00:36 AM
awareness to the Washburn Idol is low world wide. Washburn blame the Idol for not selling without giving it the proper
promotion it deserves.
kind of like keeping a bird in a cage and then wonder why it's not flying.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 16, 2009, 11:01:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin


kind of like keeping a bird in a cage and then wonder why it's not flying.



Gotta love a good analogy.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 17, 2009, 12:48:08 AM
it's not THAT good, should have googled for something better :)

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 17, 2009, 03:47:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBuddha

bring back the P series!!!!

What do you want to do tomorrow?



http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburn-NUNO-BETTENCOURT-Jawbreaker-P3-guitar-P-series_W0QQitemZ400091976926QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item5d275714de

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526
'09 Washburn WI568
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 17, 2009, 06:00:33 AM
nice.
Gibson has been doing the same thing with the SG.

P series, E series, Idol, Preacher, Washburn comes up with some nice single cuts but none really seem to fly. (unintentional bird/cage reference, honest)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 17, 2009, 08:20:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by antwhi

Greetings from a Newbie.

I have yet to test it through my Marshall TSL122 at stage volume, so I'm not sure about the pickups yet.



Hi antwhi,

1) Welcome to the forum!

2) Yep. It's a surpising guitar for the price.[^]

3) Does that have the Randall UL and SL pick ups? Will be interested in the report on that.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Washburn JM300S (Score!)
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on December 17, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
that plywood P3 is a travesty.


this is what a P3 should look like


(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/BlueBuddhaibanez/PC170365.jpg)

mine :D

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on December 18, 2009, 06:37:43 AM
Hey Matt, where ya been?
Yeah, the birch plywood isn't my cup of tea, but it's interesting to see a new P3, and with bling. Almost makes you believe they want it to pop on a showroom wall.

I saw Jeff Tweedy playing a comparable SG live a few weeks back in front of several thousand people, and everyone was wondering WTF (he's a noted vintage guitar geek, plays a dozen different gits every show) I'm sure I'm not the only one who went home and hopped online to try and figure out what we'd just seen.

Eyecatching, novel, et al. not something I'd drop my precious guitar dollars on...

your natural? Completely different story....[:p]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 21, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburn-Custom-Shop-USA-Chicago-SG-Style-Prototype_W0QQitemZ250551530526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3a5608f41e

This isn't a proto of the new design, is it?

It doesn't look bad, but it looks more like a CT or P series than an Idol...
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 22, 2009, 02:31:25 AM
doesn't look like it..
the Washburn and custom shop logo look like older versions.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on December 22, 2009, 01:00:24 PM
No, that's not it.  It will be revealed at the Namm show, i'll post pictures after the show.

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on December 22, 2009, 08:30:18 PM
Oh, great.  Now you've got me all worried.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on December 23, 2009, 01:33:41 AM
just saw another guitar with birch multi ply body...

ply wood bodies, les paul replicas, I'm getting some bad vibes here...

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on December 23, 2009, 08:02:05 AM
plywood is a sin for guitars, its just wrong.

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: opir on December 25, 2009, 11:48:19 PM
Thought I would put in my 2 cents.
Washburn HAD a LP clone.  The last one I saw was in '89 (metallic pink/purple)
I have a KC model that I dig heaps, so when MY LP clone took a crap I took a gamble on an Idol.  It had the Strat trem, so I got some locking tuners and graph-tech nut.  Kicks a$$.  
I bought a WI64 a few years later.
Another WI14 next to put some P90's in 'em.
Let me make something clear... my old LP clone was my baby.  It was the guitar I used for 20 years.
The Idols feel better weight wise.  Excellent upper fret access with the top semi SG cut.  Lastly, I am a big guy and a LP looks like a friggin ukulele on me!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: redheadrocker21 on December 29, 2009, 02:35:05 PM
just found out bout the washburn about 3 or 4 days ago, just had to join the forum. first night i saw it, i bought one as my first quality guitar. beautiful guitar, sounds great too. it is not very well advertised, but again it is like keeping a bird in its cage and wandering y it isnt flying. [;)] The guitar has a beautiful shape, and would be hard to top it. So now, instead of topping it, your copying? now come on, that doesnt sound right does it? Its just not right, and I personally find the Idol better looking than the LP. I am a complete new guy here, so dont start a complete fight over a newbies opinion who doesnt really deserve an opinon. ive read about everything possible for the last 3 days, waiting for my WI45 honeyburst to find its way here. [:D]

the ultimate newbie
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 29, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by redheadrocker21

waiting for my WI45 honeyburst to find its way here. [:D]



Hey Red,

Welcome to the forum.

I think you're gonna like her.[:)] Pics would be great once she arrives.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Washburn JM300S (Score!)
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: redheadrocker21 on December 29, 2009, 04:29:05 PM
call me chris, but the theres two chrises so just call me chris

the ultimate newbie
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 29, 2009, 04:42:49 PM
OK Chris

Chris

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Washburn JM300S (Score!)
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: redheadrocker21 on December 29, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
ill be sure to get the pictures on if i can, but i do not hav a very good camera, my dad does though...

Are they really making the new model?

the ultimate newbie
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on December 30, 2009, 10:32:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by redheadrocker21


Are they really making the new model?


Not sure if I understand the question properly but, yes. According to Nick, there will be a new shape introduced at NAMM. Nick is a moderator here and a Washburn guy who knows the facts on this.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Washburn JM300S (Score!)
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: redheadrocker21 on December 30, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
Not sure if I understand the question properly but, yes. According to Nick, there will be a new shape introduced at NAMM. Nick is a moderator here and a Washburn guy who knows the facts on this.

Seize the Fish
*****
Washburn WG2S
Washburn D10SCE
Washburn WI45
Washburn JM300S (Score!)
Ibanez V300MH
Lyon L115
'70s Univox LP Copy
[/quote]

Hopefull its as good as the other Idol models. and Yes, your answered my question correctly [:)]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: jeffy on January 04, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
I bought my WI64 because 1)It's the most comfortable guitar I've ever owned 2)I love the neck profile and especially the fret end finish 3)It covers LP territory without being another wannabe. It's a far sexier silhouette than any Les paul,and much lighter.
 I agree with all the comments about Washburn's marketing,and I just don't see Washburns in stores.(And I go in every one I see!LOL) You need to work on your dealer network before you go changing your product. I also believe the Lyon brand breaking point should be right around the 64 (it's now the 45 series?) I think making Washburn USA models-only would mean creating a whole new brand for Lyon and would be a whole lot more work than necessary,and could end up starving both brands. Personally,I don't want a Lyon anything,and can't afford a USA Washburn. Please don't shut me out!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: T-Bone on January 06, 2010, 02:27:27 AM
Change is not always a good thing.  To mess with the looks of the Idol would be a big mistake, IMO.  I don't see how it could be improved.  They are absolutely beautiful guitars and look so much better than LP's!  I fell in love with the Idol series the moment I first saw them!  Like others have said, the issue seems to be more with the lack of advertisement.  I go to Guitar Center a lot and I would love to see Washburn's sold there.  In fact, I would be telling everyone in there how great the Idols are! :)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: redheadrocker21 on January 06, 2010, 06:22:52 AM
I agree completely with T-bone. Anyone could get a Washburn as a nice beginner guitar, anyone could get the Idol instead of a Gibson LP. Better guitar, better looks, and better sound.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: seether on January 06, 2010, 04:41:22 PM
First of all
Hello
and now to say what i came to say after reading through this topic..

You say you want to sell more guitars and that Idol shape didn't sit too well on the guitarist all around ... ok let's go through that

As you can see everyone freaking loves the Idol and not because we are byass but because it's freaking amazing guitar , sound like , shape like and any other way like .

Second I agree with everyone who said that you need to market your guitars better and more (not only Idol , but all) ..

You see , i live in Croatia which is a beautiful country but the people are kinda dumb guitar wise , i have two Washburn guitars wi45 tobacco sunburst and x200pro trans red , and the dumb rednecks hardly or never heard of washburn brand , it doesn't matter to them when we jam and the sound blows them away,  they will rather hang from their balls than admit it's a better sounding , excellent balanced , freaking beautiful guitar then their lp's , and lp's look a like..

On we go , to me it seems you will lose more customers not only future customers but current customers as well, why ?? because i like the Idol series just the way it is , wouldn't change a thing on it , and don't want the next washburn i buy to be a replica of lp's or any other's , because i wont buy it then ,  i can get those at every corner , and how will you lose future customers - not a brainer , you will change the shape -which will seem to people like something was wrong with the original shape -and that can't be further from the truth, not market it and drift to some grayish area of clones and drones and after that you will discontinue it on excuse it did sit too well....

I disagree with some that said that washburn should market usa made  different from the imported , why ?? again gibson does it so should we , what a load of crap , who cares if gibson doesn't let hana montana who ever that is ( i know who she is but i rather wouldn't wanna know , eh well ) print her name on the guitar , it's a childs guitar , how it should be marketed , simply usa made cost more coz of the labour ( but wrapped up nicely ) , because ain't that the truth ? or do people think that the workers in indonesia doesn't know how to built guitars ?? that too is a load of crap. If their making the guitars by the specs washburn gave them and the wood is supplied and everything else then what are we talking about . Both guitars i have are indonesian made and didn't have any flaws in them , non at all !!!!  Anyways like tone pros bridge or shaller tuners will help your playing (again nothing is wrong with stock washburn gear -  can't emphasis that more ), if you think so then that's sad , my ears start to bleed when i hear i have tone pros i have this , and that , Crap to it's fullest extent ,  i heard a lot of players play 80 $ 100 $ guitars that will make you cry of the sweet sound they make.

I maybe got side tracked on that last paragraph but i'm tired of hearing crap like that.












Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on January 07, 2010, 02:34:53 PM
It's not just Hanna Montana.  eBay is chock full of cheap Idols with other Disney characters, fast food chain logos, and the like on them.  On one hand it could plant a seed in kids' minds, but in the mean time, it only devalues the guitar in the eyes of the serious guitarists of today.

Seeing as this topic has been going pretty strong with responders from around the forum (i.e. not just the same posters all the time), are you guys sure you wanna go through with this?  I haven't seen any posts agreeing with the decision to change the Idol.  If the response is so negative in the forum, just imagine how bad it could be in the real world.

I will withold (sp?) judgement until the design is revealed.  But if I'm not into it...I just have this thing about playing guitars that aren't current, and supposely Ibanez is bringing the Darkstone to America for a full release...
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 08, 2010, 03:23:50 AM
I understand that Washburn are going to make both models and let the buyers decide

as for the design, from what was mentioned here (longer and narrower body) , I think it's going look like a cross
between the Idol and a PRS SC. and probably some other twist on the design, like a deep carve on the top, reavel
binding, maybe even the headstock Washburn uses on the Vs to make it more appealing to PRS buyers.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on January 08, 2010, 10:19:26 AM
So it'll be the Idol II or something?

Well I guess if they're still going to make the original design, then it's not so bad.  But honestly, I can't see the new design really going anywhere because it'd just be yet another improved Les Paul, and there's plenty of choices in the department already.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 08, 2010, 12:06:09 PM
I think they're going to sell both for a length of time and then keep only the one that sells better.

Making a LP replica is only one thing that Jam are doing wrong, stopping production on standard USA models
is worse.


____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on January 08, 2010, 12:30:35 PM
yes, and Washburn is diluting its OWN pool by offering the beloved Idol,  the pretty cool Preacher, and now adding a third LP Clone???

No doubt, coming out of Chicago, it'll be a beautiful guitar. I suppose it COULD be that for that customer that HAS to have an LP, they could get a comparable guality axe as an LP standard for say 70% the price, or $1800.00. This is STILL dependent upon A) placement in stores and B) knowledgable sales staff showing a buyer that this guitar is super high quality.

I was in a Guitar Center in Chicago last week. I looked at $2000.00 Gibsons and was amazed at the poor quality. The joints and the finish just didn't show the value I expected. This shop had an N4 for sale in it's used area. The Asst Store manager DID NOT KNOW it was an american made guitar, 40 miles from where he was standing. It was hanging on the wall, dusty and out of tune. If that is representative of the sales force/sales pitch,folks, it doesn't matter how good your product is.

Let's say dude walks in with 5K on his gold card. He wants to buy an LP. The informed sales guys sets him up with an amp, sits him down and hands him the Gibson. After 15 minutes he says, Dude, man, before you drop that cash, check this out.....and hands him and Idol, or an LP clone, tells him to LOOK at the guitar, stand up with a strap....play the damn thing. Tells him it was made in the US by a dude who learned how to make guitars in the Gibson plant, filing headstocks with a rasp file....and now is making guitars himself...only better.... and guess what, half the price, better guitar...

Ok Ok, maybe this is idealistic, but that pitch would make me think. It'll never happen though, unless the guys in the stores know the story.

Sorry, the sales guy in me would love to have a go at all the poor schmucks dropping big coin on those other guitars.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 14, 2010, 09:28:44 PM
SOOOOOOOOO......... Keeping the old shape or not? If not why the heck did you not listen to us.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 15, 2010, 03:45:37 AM
the new owners obviously don't know much about design or marketing.
Washburn has entered the generic market, the company has been set back 10 years.

and the new additions to the X series, even worse.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: BlueBuddha on January 15, 2010, 04:00:19 AM
(http://www.washburn.com/images/stories/newsandreviews/news/idolpro2cs.jpg)

What do you want to do tomorrow?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 15, 2010, 04:03:03 AM
looks like an epiphone road kill

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on January 15, 2010, 06:12:08 AM
If this is the direction that the Idol is going, once I get my Gold Top finished and in my hands, it will be my last Washburn purchase. Don't change something that no one is going to see. MARKET THE ONE YOU ALREADY HAVE!!!!!!!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on January 15, 2010, 12:12:06 PM
Meh.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on January 18, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
3 new threads berating the new design, and one saying, this version's OK, but it's still not the real Idol...

Tell me, how loud was (or wasn't) the applause at NAMM when this was unveiled?  

Are you honestly going to put millions of dollars into the production of a guitar maybe only 1 in 20 players like?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on January 19, 2010, 08:21:08 AM
We will continue with the original Idol as well as the new Idol.  Buy what you like.

thanks,
Nick
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on January 19, 2010, 02:23:28 PM
Thank god.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on January 19, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
[:D][:D][:D][:D]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 19, 2010, 03:29:45 PM
only imports :(
but I guess that's better than nothing

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on January 19, 2010, 03:45:29 PM
Boogie Street will continue with the customs I'm sure........
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 20, 2010, 07:09:29 AM
well, I didn't buy a custom Washy for one big reason, the price is pretty high
I wish we could still get standard USA Idols, but I guess it's not going to happen
in the near future...

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White)
'09 Washburn WI568
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: TEXASDAVE on January 20, 2010, 08:36:49 AM
You can get them through Boogie Street or Funky Monkey....
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: fnichols11 on April 13, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Well, I'm really really late on this topic but I thought i would post anyway. I don't think that the Idol should change the shape, it is very distinctive. However, I think it is slightly neck heavy. I minor adjustment to the body might solve the balance issue, move towards a more slender look, but hopefully you don't go too similar to a les paul, that would be sad. If the new idols end up being more of a les paul copy that is okay, i'll just be happy that I managed to snag one of the good ones.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on April 14, 2010, 08:36:24 AM
We decided to keep the original Idol and also come out with a new Idol with a more LP shape.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: lost66 on April 19, 2010, 04:22:58 AM
Hi, new member here!

I like the original Idol shape as it's somewhat different then a Les Paul.
Just got a WI66PROF for a few weeks now and did some mods.
Replaced the SD Custom Custom with a SD Seth Lover bridge pickup for more authentic 'bucker sounds. Added an SD nickel cover to the SD '59 neck pickup. Put in CTS pots (2X vol. & 2X tone) with Orange Drop caps, Switchcraft 3-way toggle switch and in/output jack.
What a killer guitar it has become, the Buzz Feiten tuning System and Grover 18-1 ratio tuners work great. It came with a perfect set-up, low action and nicely dressed frets.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/gitaarventje/IdolII-2.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/gitaarventje/IdolV-1.jpg)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on April 19, 2010, 06:05:35 PM
Nice Job L66,
can you characterize the difference between the lover and the custom? Tough question I know.

Looks great. What vintage is the guitar? Did you change to the top hats or did it come with them?
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: black7and7gold on April 19, 2010, 07:30:58 PM
Great...now I need an Idol too...
>:D
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: lost66 on April 20, 2010, 11:23:05 AM
Hi Tio Kimo, the guitar is from 2006 according to the serial number.
The guitar came with gold speed/barrel knobs, i replaced them with
amber bell knobs.
The Seth Lover sounds like a smoother version of the '59 PAF pickup.
A vintage output of 8.1K compared to the Custom Custom's 14.4K
More lows, less mids and a really nice clean sound which i couldn't
get out of the Custom Custom.
The Custom Custom is great for high gain and distortion sounds.
The Seth Lover is great for vintage '50s/'60s/'70s humbucker tones.

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: gbm on May 22, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
I agree: What's the point of all the Strat and LP copies? We all want innovation from the industry--not mere endless mimicry! With such copies (concerning merely appearance) I actually prefer something that's shaped somewhat differently from the standards--to me, that shows a slight smidgen of pride and individuality from company designers, at least. I gather, however, that most players want something that's identical as possible--then modded to the tune of $100s.

I'll have a Washburn Maverick coming next month; that's why I joined this. I'm interested in the (original) Idol, also. I like the playability of Washburn better than practically anything else that's not financially insane in this era. (OK, I noted that the Maverick is from Indonesia--Samick?) Unfortunately, my desires are unlimited and wild, as are many of yours! I agree with comment below the pic above!: Does the instrument really matter so much as honing one's craft and coming up with something unique and special in music?  What am I doing here?!  Kumbaya!! LOL!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on May 25, 2010, 10:43:26 AM
quote:

Anger he smiles, towering in shiny metallic purple armour!


Jimi! Daughter got me the new Valleys of Neptune CD for my birthday. It's good![^]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: wully on May 30, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
i like the original idol aesthetically speaking for 2 main reasons... 1, it's kinda like a les paul. 2, it's a bit different to a les paul.
another les paul copy, is just another les paul copy.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on August 05, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lost66


What a killer guitar it has become



That's cool! As time goes by, I believe more and more that these WI66's are truly a pearl. Affordable monsters, look awesome, play awesome, easy to mod....

Glad to hear the relationship is going along so well[8D]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on August 28, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
Played my 05 Korean 66pro today, and it SMOKES an Epiphone LP from the same general time that I bought for my wife a few years ago. If you can find a korean 66pro, GET IT.

I also have a BSG ELITE, and a USA Pilson.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on August 28, 2010, 07:43:06 PM
This old and recently revived thread is giving me GAS for a 66PRO, which before now I did not realize I needed. You are bad people. [:D] The old design is a sweet-looking guitar.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on August 28, 2010, 08:40:21 PM
Hey Suse, don't know where you are but there is a 66pro, Korean, bone stock (meaning 59/cc with VCC) in BLACK no less, for sale here in Chicago. Good God, if somebody doesn't snag it quick I'm gonna create major problems for myself.


There is also a sweet 64 that I've never seen , TSB in Radically flamed maple with a black pickguard, also Korea.....

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on August 28, 2010, 10:45:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

Hey Suse, don't know where you are but there is a 66pro, Korean, bone stock (meaning 59/cc with VCC) in BLACK no less, for sale here in Chicago. Good God, if somebody doesn't snag it quick I'm gonna create major problems for myself.


There is also a sweet 64 that I've never seen , TSB in Radically flamed maple with a black pickguard, also Korea.....




I am interested if it is in pristine shape like my HB35S, but it would also have to be available over the Internet, via eBay, etc. I am in Arizona.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on August 28, 2010, 11:37:40 PM
craigslist. Let me know if you're interested I'll drum up the listings for you.

I seriously would love a solid 66 to go with my semi hollow 67, but I've got other allocations for my guitar dollars at this time. I'll tell you this, these Korean built 66's are a steal.

And in black....damn, it's hard....
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on August 29, 2010, 11:30:55 AM
Thank you. Craigslist half the way across the country is a little too risky for me to consider. [:(] Still, if anyone sees something at a regular dealer or eBay. . . .
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: el_xero on September 07, 2010, 12:24:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lost66

Hi, new member here!

I like the original Idol shape as it's somewhat different then a Les Paul.
Just got a WI66PROF for a few weeks now and did some mods.
Replaced the SD Custom Custom with a SD Seth Lover bridge pickup for more authentic 'bucker sounds. Added an SD nickel cover to the SD '59 neck pickup. Put in CTS pots (2X vol. & 2X tone) with Orange Drop caps, Switchcraft 3-way toggle switch and in/output jack.
What a killer guitar it has become, the Buzz Feiten tuning System and Grover 18-1 ratio tuners work great. It came with a perfect set-up, low action and nicely dressed frets.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/gitaarventje/IdolII-2.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/gitaarventje/IdolV-1.jpg)



SWEEEEEEET AXE
Did you replace your pick up rings? I'd like to know where to get washburn pick up rings cream ones for my idol I can't find any that fit I've bought two sets already and nada :( very sad
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Hawaii69 on September 08, 2010, 06:41:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by boynamedsuse

This old and recently revived thread is giving me GAS for a 66PRO, which before now I did not realize I needed. You are bad people. [:D] The old design is a sweet-looking guitar.




Search washburn wi66pro on ebay, and a number of new Tobacco Burst Wi66's come up for about $500.00

They don't come up if you just search washburn idol.

I love that color.  I've got a blue one, but I'm tempted to sell
it and get the Tobacco Burst.

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 08, 2010, 08:50:19 PM
Yep. It sold me

sunlight
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1100530.jpg)

ambient light
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1070235.jpg)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Junior88 on September 08, 2010, 10:40:53 PM
Damn Kimo!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 08, 2010, 10:55:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Junior88

Damn Kimo!



What??!!!?!? It's relevant [;)]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on September 08, 2010, 11:24:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hawaii69

quote:
Originally posted by boynamedsuse

This old and recently revived thread is giving me GAS for a 66PRO, which before now I did not realize I needed. You are bad people. [:D] The old design is a sweet-looking guitar.




Search washburn wi66pro on ebay, and a number of new Tobacco Burst Wi66's come up for about $500.00

They don't come up if you just search washburn idol.

I love that color.  I've got a blue one, but I'm tempted to sell
it and get the Tobacco Burst.



My Guitars:
Quilt Blue WI66Pro
Alvarez RD20S


Thanks for the advice. I did find a Korean WI66Pro in Flame Honey Burst (not on eBay) and put it on layaway. When I finally have it in my hands, I will post a NGD. [8D]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Hawaii69 on September 09, 2010, 09:19:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

only imports :(
but I guess that's better than nothing




I dunno....


They've got the specs of the new import Idols up now, and they seem to be a bit lacking.  The top of the line import, the WI PRO comes with Duncan USM Humbucker pickups and a Flame maple veneer.


Sounds like OEM pickups made for Washburn by Duncan, and a phony maple top, rather than a maple cap.

That probably explains the only $712.00 list price.

The specs on the top end New Idol are the same.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: dwynne on September 11, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
I think Washburn is making a big mistake, all the new stuff has veniers looks cheap, both styles i wouldnt buy either, and i own 2 older ones wi66 tobbacco and wi45 honey well if this is the way there going they lost me, buy washburn....Dave Whittier Ca
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on September 13, 2010, 08:58:39 AM
some of the guitars that have flame maple veneers have plain maple caps.  The old stuff only had flame veneers.  For example, WI66PRO was mahogany body with flame veneer.  New WIPRO is mahogany body with plain maple cap and flame veneer.  Just sayin'.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: ncmreynolds on September 13, 2010, 09:08:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

some of the guitars that have flame maple veneers have plain maple caps.  The old stuff only had flame veneers.  For example, WI66PRO was mahogany body with flame veneer.  New WIPRO is mahogany body with plain maple cap and flame veneer.  Just sayin'.



It's a shame this isn't communicated in the catalogue. It's all a bit sparse and people are reading the worst into what's there.



2 EC29s, 2 KC90s, NX3, RS8-V, G2-V, RR2-V, WI64 and a whole load of Indies
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 13, 2010, 10:05:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

some of the guitars that have flame maple veneers have plain maple caps.  The old stuff only had flame veneers.  For example, WI66PRO was mahogany body with flame veneer.



Nick, is this true of the Korean made WI67PRO as well?

Looking at the profile through the f-hole, it certainly appears as a solid cap....but I hadn't scrutinized it. (you know I will now!!)

This photo doesn't give the detail I'd like, but you get the idea. It looks like one piece.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1020147.jpg)

This is a little better....

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/Idol%20worship/P1020088.jpg)

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: cedwards on September 13, 2010, 11:13:15 AM
Just had to show that again, didn't you Kimo. Jeeze that thing sets me to hankerin'![8D][:)] It's just a lovely guitar to look upon.[^]
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 13, 2010, 11:32:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cedwards

 It's just a lovely guitar to look upon.[^]



It is, but it plays and sounds better than it looks!!

And I offer it ONLY due to it's relevance in this discussion. (well...)

That bottom photo MAY in fact indicate a veneer, but it's gotta at least be a veneer on a cap.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on September 13, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
    TOP      Nato arched w/ Quilt maple top (left side only w/ f hole)            
  SIDE        Nato 50mm            
    BACK      Nato            
    BINDING      Ivory multi binding (Top only)            
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on September 13, 2010, 02:19:12 PM
Hey Tio,
i just posted the body specs from the WI67PRO.  It looks like it could be an actual quilt cap.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WB-Nick on September 13, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ncmreynolds

quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

some of the guitars that have flame maple veneers have plain maple caps.  The old stuff only had flame veneers.  For example, WI66PRO was mahogany body with flame veneer.  New WIPRO is mahogany body with plain maple cap and flame veneer.  Just sayin'.



It's a shame this isn't communicated in the catalogue. It's all a bit sparse and people are reading the worst into what's there.



2 EC29s, 2 KC90s, NX3, RS8-V, G2-V, RR2-V, WI64 and a whole load of Indies




It will be communicated in the new catalog that we are just finishing up.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on September 14, 2010, 02:09:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by WB-Nick

some of the guitars that have flame maple veneers have plain maple caps.  The old stuff only had flame veneers.  For example, WI66PRO was mahogany body with flame veneer.  New WIPRO is mahogany body with plain maple cap and flame veneer.  Just sayin'.


OK, now that we understand about the WI67PRO that pretty much nobody owns [;)], what does old stuff mean with respect to the more common WI66PRO, etc? Previous Chinese manufacture? Korean manufacture? Both? Thank you in advance.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on September 17, 2010, 01:31:43 AM
the first ones were Korean, then they switched to Indonesia
looking at the prices, seems like all the new Washburns are Chinese.



____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White) <--- For Sale
'09 Washburn WI568 w/ Bareknuckle Miracle Man
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 17, 2010, 06:39:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

the first ones were Korean, then they switched to Indonesia
looking at the prices, seems like all the new Washburns are Chinese.



Which doesn't mean a lot in and of itself. Chinese manufacturers are making guitars to print. They have the ability to make some quality guitars. Like anything else it quality of materials, and made to the designers specs. There was a time when we said Japanese anything was crap, then Korean anything was crap, etc etc.

Nick says this is the rebuilding year. I'll be interested to see what they're building. I'm hopeful. The shop in Mundelein (Chicago) is still there....

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: boynamedsuse on September 17, 2010, 01:41:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

the first ones were Korean, then they switched to Indonesia
looking at the prices, seems like all the new Washburns are Chinese.


Thanks for the information, I did not know the recent models were made in Indonesia.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on September 19, 2010, 04:33:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

the first ones were Korean, then they switched to Indonesia
looking at the prices, seems like all the new Washburns are Chinese.



Which doesn't mean a lot in and of itself. Chinese manufacturers are making guitars to print. They have the ability to make some quality guitars. Like anything else it quality of materials, and made to the designers specs. There was a time when we said Japanese anything was crap, then Korean anything was crap, etc etc.

Nick says this is the rebuilding year. I'll be interested to see what they're building. I'm hopeful. The shop in Mundelein (Chicago) is still there....




didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.


____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White) <--- For Sale
'09 Washburn WI568 w/ Bareknuckle Miracle Man
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 19, 2010, 08:44:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Shaulin


didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.



Eastman guitars are some of the finest custom shop guitars you can buy in a store domestically. They're hand made, so they don't really fit in the category we're discussing, but they are Chinese Made Guitars, and they're awesome.

Also, the press on the Epiphones that come out of China is that they're excellent quality, such that they give Gibson fits trying to differentiate brands. I'm repeating what I've read in this case though, no first hand experience there. Eastmans, I've played.

all this to say, I'm open to the possibility that a quality guitar can come out of a Chinese factory, but to the point, is Washburn giving 'em blueprints of anything any of us want!?


Still, I hear where you're coming from Shaulin.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on September 19, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
I'm always open to new ideas (unless they really suck ;) )
if the quality is there, I don't mind where it's made
I have a t-shirt saying God made the heavens and the earth, everything else is made in china
I don't think there would be any escaping from that, I know all Washburn acoustics are Chinese
and I hear good things about them.


____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White) <--- For Sale
'09 Washburn WI568 w/ Bareknuckle Miracle Man
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: SuperRick on October 03, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
Just wanted to chime in again and say that I still love my Idol.[:D]

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/SuperChunk426/Guitars005-4.jpg)

You Like Guitar Rock?
www.SuperRick.bandcamp.com
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Estignas on October 10, 2010, 12:08:39 PM
I have a WI14 since '06 and it's superb...I don't know if I got lucky or what but when I practice with the band my guitar never causes any trouble, I'm considering changing the pups, even though the ones it came with are great...
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Hawaii69 on October 11, 2010, 09:56:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

quote:
Originally posted by Shaulin


didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.



Eastman guitars are some of the finest custom shop guitars you can buy in a store domestically. They're hand made, so they don't really fit in the category we're discussing, but they are Chinese Made Guitars, and they're awesome.

Also, the press on the Epiphones that come out of China is that they're excellent quality, such that they give Gibson fits trying to differentiate brands. I'm repeating what I've read in this case though, no first hand experience there. Eastmans, I've played.

all this to say, I'm open to the possibility that a quality guitar can come out of a Chinese factory, but to the point, is Washburn giving 'em blueprints of anything any of us want!?





My Alvarez is Chinese, and though it isn't going to win any contests for the most attractive or well appointed guitar, I've been beaten on it for 5 years with no problem.  If I gave it a name, it would have to be Scarface

It may not be high end, but I looked at a lot of Best Acoustic $300
or Under? threads, and the Alvarez RD20S came up again and again (along with the Washburn D10).

Many of the comments were something like Well, I bought the RD20S guitar for my kid so he wouldn't touch my Taylor....and now I find myself playing his guitar!
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: CivoLee on October 26, 2010, 03:10:55 PM
Just tell me this: The USA models that I've heard about for next year will be true to the original Idols (not Original Idols) in every way and not set neck versions of the WI15.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on June 25, 2011, 08:54:27 PM
It's been awhile now...............the question is...........has the NEW Idol shape improved sales?

Having seen the new shape in person............I still prefer the original.

How are sales?????
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on July 08, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
I don't think sales CAN improve, by joining the Les Paul replicas market, Washburn
joined probably one of the most saturated markets in the guitar industry, and I don't see anything
that places them above any of the other makers.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Hawaii69 on July 28, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
The new design certainly hasn't done anything for the forum.....tumbleweeds are rolling by in here.


quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

I don't think sales CAN improve, by joining the Les Paul replicas market, Washburn
joined probably one of the most saturated markets in the guitar industry, and I don't see anything
that places them above any of the other makers.

____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White) <--- For Sale
'09 Washburn WI568 w/ Bareknuckle Miracle Man
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on October 12, 2011, 02:22:27 AM
I don't think the new design did anything good for Washburn, had
a chance to see the new idols at my local dealer, wasn't impressed to say the least.
these guitars simply can't match the quality of the Korean Idols.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: t.y. on October 12, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
I have a 2011 Guild GAD30-E, from china, it's perfect, for 850.00 price range. China can make fine guitars, just depends on what your willing to pay. just like guitars from any country.[:)] Tom[:)]  
quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

quote:
Originally posted by shaulin

the first ones were Korean, then they switched to Indonesia
looking at the prices, seems like all the new Washburns are Chinese.



Which doesn't mean a lot in and of itself. Chinese manufacturers are making guitars to print. They have the ability to make some quality guitars. Like anything else it quality of materials, and made to the designers specs. There was a time when we said Japanese anything was crap, then Korean anything was crap, etc etc.

Nick says this is the rebuilding year. I'll be interested to see what they're building. I'm hopeful. The shop in Mundelein (Chicago) is still there....




didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.


____________________________
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Mule & Black Dog
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs
'06 Washburn PI80 w/ Bareknuckle Warpig & Mississippi Queen P(ig)90
'07 Washburn N4
'06 Washburn X33
'98 Gibson Les Paul Studio
'08 Washburn WM526 (White) <--- For Sale
'09 Washburn WI568 w/ Bareknuckle Miracle Man
'09 Washburn WM526 (Ferrari Red)

Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: YerDugliness on October 12, 2011, 02:28:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

quote:
Originally posted by Shaulin


didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.



Also, the press on the Epiphones that come out of China is that they're excellent quality, such that they give Gibson fits trying to differentiate brands. I'm repeating what I've read in this case though, no first hand experience there.



My Epiphone Masterbilt AJ500RC plays better than any Gibson I've ever played, and sounds as good to me. I have a freind with a vintage Gibson that has a great, gutsy sound....my AJ will be there more quicly b/c of the cedar soundboard [^] It is by far my easiest steel-string guitar to play and the sound is primo [:p]....cedar over rosewood, all solid-woods.  

quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

quote:
Originally posted by Shaulin


didn't say it does, but I haven't seen a good Chinese guitar so far.


all this to say, I'm open to the possibility that a quality guitar can come out of a Chinese factory, but to the point, is Washburn giving 'em blueprints of anything any of us want!?



My C124SWK came from China, says so on the label, but I can't figure out what the first letter in the serial number means, it is a W.  Any ideas WHERE in China this fine guitar was made? Washburn received only 24 of those guitars, only about half that of the CE equivalent (word on the street is that most of the CE's went to Washburn employees as soon as they were received).

I'm thrilled that Washburn seems to be really trying to work into the classical market. My C124SWK plays as easily as my Hippner, it just doesn't have the sweetness of tone (but it was only 20% of the cost of the Hippner). Take a look at their online classical section, 8 new models, both acoustic and CE equivalents, and in cedar/spruce soundboards and Ovangkol or Mahogany secondary tone-woods...all-solid wood guitars.

I think there are skilled craftsmen all over the Orient.  I lived there for 2 years as a child and was constantly impressed with their drive and creativity.  If there's a way to do something, they'll do it smaller and better.....why not in China?

I suspect that most of the assembly process is mechanical, perhaps at certain critical steps hand-assisted or checked for fit.

Cheers from.....
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: oleblu72 on October 12, 2011, 05:10:39 PM
So what does the CE mean anyway? Thanks.

 Mark
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: WEBgUy on October 13, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
Cutaway Electric
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: oleblu72 on October 13, 2011, 10:25:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WEBgUy

Cutaway Electric



 Ok that makes sense Webguy. I thought it might be some electrical code or something thanks.

 Mark
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: MNMike on November 24, 2011, 05:30:01 PM
Hello to all!  I just read two years of posts and I appreciate all the information.  I found a WIN PRO advertised for sale and not really knowing anything but the name I decided to investigate.  You're all correct-marketing has done a poor job.  The Washburns I'd seen to this point struck me as possibly being some discount store offerings...not unattractive, I just saw that they were used, really inexpensive, and I knew nothing about them.  I will be calling on the one for sale tomorrow as it is Thanksgiving today.  I love the looks and I'm anxious to pick it upand see how it feels.  Too late for the party, but you're right...we don't need any more LP copies.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: mrleira on December 15, 2011, 05:36:25 AM
I do!! Great feeling, great response. Mine is from Indonesia and kicks. Metal, hard rock, everything. Actually I don't like those Heavy Metal style guitars, with sharp points etc. I rely over a more classical shape, with ability to sound as heavy as Divine Fire/Demon Hunter, and hard rocky as Skillet and others.
Great effort Washburn.
Title: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: MNMike on December 16, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
Hey, mrleira!  Glad to see there is life on the forum.  I was just scanning the new posts to see what was up.  Glad you like your Idol.  The owner of the one I was looking at backed out on me.  I bought an XM Pro2fr that was delivered today, sharp points and all! (ha,ha!)  I've only gotten it out of it's packaging so far, but it sure looks good.  I know that others were wondering besides myself-it is a Floyd Rose Special trem.  Still not a deal breaker for the price.  I can't justify the cost of a custom shop model for myself yet.  If Washburn is willing to keep their customers interested, they will keep a loyal fan base, and maybe get some new customers like myself.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on January 13, 2012, 02:46:51 AM
from what I've heard the 2012 catalog won't show the Idol anymore, only the Les Paul replica.
The Idol will be officially dead.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: irishs12 on January 18, 2012, 04:51:30 PM
The idol is already dead >:(
The new ones aren't a patch on the quality of the old ones,I bought one thinking it would be similar quality to my wi45 but I was wrong.
I think Washburn should go back to making proper guitars and stop messing around with cheap imitations,otherwise they will lose customers like me forever.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 21, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
I actively keep an eye out for any wi66pro's I can. Great  great guitars. Wish they would bring them back with the same construction. (Korean)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 21, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
from what I've heard the 2012 catalog won't show the Idol anymore, only the Les Paul replica.
The Idol will be officially dead.

Can we get some official conformation on this from Washburn?
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 27, 2012, 06:00:50 PM
Well, there it is. No more ORIGINAL Idol. I'm very sad, and a little angry.

I own 3. A wi66pro. A BSG Custom. and a Pilsen. ebay and craigslist will be where I will be buying any Washburn electrics.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on January 29, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
I bought a new WIN-PRO Flamed Red. Awesome!!!!
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 29, 2012, 08:42:21 PM
It is interesting to note if you view all the threads under the "Idol Series" topic, this one has the most views and replies. I wonder what that means and if Washburn has noticed. I am also curious if the new idol shape sold better, worse, or the same as the Original, and I mean the Original Original. Not the new original. ;)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: irishs12 on January 30, 2012, 08:52:52 PM
I bought a new WIN-PRO Flamed Red. Awesome!!!!
A very poor and cheaply made copy of a real idol.
Not awesome when compared to a real idol I'm afraid.
I for one am gutted that Washburn has decided to become a cheap guitar company that makes middle of the road instruments.I currently own 2 but I couldn't get rid of my wi pro quick enough.
I've owned 5 Washburns,but I doubt I will ever buy another.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on January 31, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
I bought a new WIN-PRO Flamed Red. Awesome!!!!
A very poor and cheaply made copy of a real idol.
Not awesome when compared to a real idol I'm afraid.
I for one am gutted that Washburn has decided to become a cheap guitar company that makes middle of the road instruments.I currently own 2 but I couldn't get rid of my wi pro quick enough.
I've owned 5 Washburns,but I doubt I will ever buy another.


I feel like a chevy owner in a mercedes forum. I'm excited to get the new Win Pro even though you all hate it.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: t.y. on January 31, 2012, 06:36:25 PM
 :) The most important , is you like it. Tom.  :)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on January 31, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Glad you like it. If you ever get a chance to play a WI66 or WI45 or a USA Idol I do recommend it. I f you like your win pro, you will love those. Heck try out a Paul Stanley Preacher too.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on February 03, 2012, 11:38:10 AM
Let's be honest, once Rudy Schlacher sold the company it was obvious things are
going to change, I hoped for the best, looks like we got the worst.

I own 4 Idols, lucky I managed to catch one of the stripped down bodies they sold
on ebay, a nice WI590 which needs a lot of work, but it's gonna feel like a brand new
USA idol once I'm done with it.

as for Washburn, right now they sell nothing that I want to buy, I hope the company will
return into making exciting new instruments in the future.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: High Hopes on February 04, 2012, 09:34:54 AM
I own an Idol WI66V and I love it... beautiful, well made guitar. Recently, I purchased a WIN-STD Idol on eBay... oh boy... what an utter piece of Chinese junk... By far the worst guitar in my collection... Actually, I also own an Agile Les Paul copy that puts this new Idol to shame...
I will of course sell the new Idol as it really does not deliver even for the price... It's a crying shame that Washburn decided to lower it's standards so low... This new Idol is a toy basically... Not even good enough for intermediate players.
Save your money, this guitar is just not worth it..
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on February 04, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
I own an Idol WI66V and I love it... beautiful, well made guitar. Recently, I purchased a WIN-STD Idol on eBay... oh boy... what an utter piece of Chinese junk... By far the worst guitar in my collection... Actually, I also own an Agile Les Paul copy that puts this new Idol to shame...
I will of course sell the new Idol as it really does not deliver even for the price... It's a crying shame that Washburn decided to lower it's standards so low... This new Idol is a toy basically... Not even good enough for intermediate players.
Save your money, this guitar is just not worth it..

I got my win-pro yesterday and it was a very nice guitar. Except for fedex cracking the neck on it. I will get a replacement next week. I did manage to tune it down and play with it a little before i packed it back up. It sounded very rich and warm. Its to bad the win-pro is discontinued  already. I might upgrade the pickups to something active  in the future but for now the guitar is worth every cent. The grover 18 to 1 tuners  nice. I can't wait for my replacement to come
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: High Hopes on February 04, 2012, 12:33:32 PM
I own an Idol WI66V and I love it... beautiful, well made guitar. Recently, I purchased a WIN-STD Idol on eBay... oh boy... what an utter piece of Chinese junk... By far the worst guitar in my collection... Actually, I also own an Agile Les Paul copy that puts this new Idol to shame...
I will of course sell the new Idol as it really does not deliver even for the price... It's a crying shame that Washburn decided to lower it's standards so low... This new Idol is a toy basically... Not even good enough for intermediate players.
Save your money, this guitar is just not worth it..

I got my win-pro yesterday and it was a very nice guitar. Except for fedex cracking the neck on it. I will get a replacement next week. I did manage to tune it down and play with it a little before i packed it back up. It sounded very rich and warm. Its to bad the win-pro is discontinued  already. I might upgrade the pickups to something active  in the future but for now the guitar is worth every sent. The grover 18 to 1 tuners  nice. I can't wait for my replacement to come

Why do you quote my opinion of a WIN-SDT to your WIN-PRO???
Does it even matter? Anyway, enjoy every "sent" of your new Washburn... ;)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on February 04, 2012, 01:44:11 PM
Because your another wi idol original only snob. And I'm sick of it. Dick!!!!
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Evil D on February 05, 2012, 11:44:20 AM
so what are the differences between the Win Idols and the old idols besides the body shape?  I can see where many potential buyers would be more attracted to a traditional Les Paul body shape, but if the did this and lowered quality as well without lowering price... well that would not help the cause.  I admit I have been out of the loop for some years with my new family.  Are they all made in china now, or are the higher end imports made in Indonesia?  I like my Pilsen but wouldn't be detered by the new WIN Idols as long as the quality and tone are still there.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on February 05, 2012, 01:25:23 PM
Evil d, you won't get an unbiased opinion in here. For these guys there is only one idol. There is no room for change in this forum.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Evil D on February 05, 2012, 02:26:18 PM
After reading a few topics it would appear most of the unhappiness is the fact that Washburn quit offering a higher end import idols.  I am sure your Idol WINpro serves your needs well, much like the older Idols of the same price point would have.  But for more players who need, want, or demand more, Washburn's Idol line currently falls far too short
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on February 06, 2012, 03:26:37 PM
Not all change is good. ;)

Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: alpheus94 on February 06, 2012, 03:34:48 PM
First it was a slap in the face to all the guys who loved and owned the Original Idols to release another body shape with the same name as what we already owned. Classic marketing failure, of which Washburn struggles with. It would have been a bit nicer if they would have called it something else. As well as continue to offer the original in it's original form and quality like the Korean WI66pro.

What if Gibson released a guitar called "The Explorer" that did not look like the old explorer that all us explorer owners have and love............AND decided to discontinue the 1st Explorer shape? Not only that, they also cut back on the quality of the components to make them more affordable?You don't think there would be backlash? Or Fender killing the Strat.....and offering a different shaped guitar, and calling it a strat?
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on February 07, 2012, 04:29:13 PM
I understand. I think alot of the problems with companies nowadays is a very week economy and stores like walmart selling cheap Chinese made crap. And everyone  shops there. To save what little money they have. It sucks but that's what happens in a rececian. The whole old idol shape verses the new thing does suck if you like the old shape.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Paul5992 on February 09, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
I got my new win-pro today. It is perfect. It sounds great. Very bright and when you need it very mellow and bluesy. I'm very happy.
Title: PLEASE bring back the P2 (P4!
Post by: scifiguy on February 09, 2012, 07:53:00 PM
PLEASE?
Best guitars Washburn ever made...
 :)



Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Sarge on May 04, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
I recently got a WI568 and it's one of the best guitars I've ever played. I played Original M-1 ESP, Schon, Jackson, charvel.. (customs) If this guitar was changed, it is a shame. I love this axe ! Joe Bonamassa would love this guitar ! It's better playing than a les paul !
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Sarge on May 04, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Thanks for the input guys.  The problem is that the Idol doesn't appeal to most people.  There are some, like yourselves, that love it, but most people will buy an LP shaped guitar over the Idol.  This is what the new owner is looking at.  Yes, he wants to change the design and sell more guitars.


This isn't the case for anyone I have shown my WI-568 too! Problem is... that the guitar makers have hype-marketed junk guitars for so long, that people don't know the value of a real instrument when they see one. People think you can buy a guitar like their favorite pro musician plays for 600 dollars... so when they see a price tag that starts about 1000 dollars out (3000 for the one their guitar hero plays), they shortcut and buy the cheaper one. Then they hit all the frustration of trying to learn on a "Walmart" manufacturing job and quickly give up on playing.. so then NO guitar companies get to sell them an instrument anymore because most quit trying to learn to play all together. It would seem most have cursed their own business by selling lower quality instruments for more profit and have lost the ability to sell high quality ones because now people think they are being ripped off if they spend that much.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on May 20, 2012, 02:22:13 AM
this thread was opened more than 2 years ago, I wonder how sales of the "Idol" are going...
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: t.y. on May 20, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
 :)   Remember, this just makes your original more rare and valuable as time goes on.   Tom.   ;)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tio Kimo on June 01, 2012, 12:47:48 PM
Much as I can't believe I can say this. I sold the idol. It was a -67 Korean. Sweet guitar, but she wasn't getting played and I was looking at starting a new relationship with similarly tobacco stained tele.

Still hope to snag a -68 or better at some point. The new ones hold no appeal for me whatsoever.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: t.y. on June 01, 2012, 01:45:44 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370616911223&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123&autorefresh=true   This would of went for more, if I had not bought parts for my bike. I almost bid 150.00 or so to see if I would get lucky.  I love this paint job.  Hope one of you guys got it.  Tom.   :)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: John on June 11, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
This thread was started in 2009 and by then the Idols were being made in Indonesia.
IMNSHO the end of the Idol was when they stopped making them in Korea.
Not saying that all the Indonesian Idols were bad but they definitely lacked the fit & finish that most the Korean examples had. I bought a Blonde 1999 WI64 in 2000 and fell in love. I've owned most models and my favorite is "Tiger".
"Tiger" is a 2005 Catanese WI66ANC that had a cracked neck. Fixed the neck, leveled the frets, stripped the flamed maple "Evil Twin" logo off, took out the active pups and put in Tonerider Alnico IIs with Standard V/T controls with minor modification to keep tone when turning the Volume pots lower.

Bottom Line: The quality has dropped significantly. Bought a Chinese Trohman WI24 and could not believe how low the quality has gone. Had to do quite a bit of fret work to correct the sharp edges.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz284/Clist50/20120202TigerFall.jpg)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: t.y. on June 11, 2012, 05:50:13 PM
I too like Korean guitars, I have a D10TR 98, love it, can not find a flaw on it,   Tom.   :)
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: shaulin on October 27, 2016, 07:57:35 AM
and here we are 7 years later, I wonder how things are working for Washburn without the Idol?
any plans to make the smart choice and bring back the Idol?
especially the one that made the model stand up  - the WI68?
with the 68 Washburn was aiming at PRS and Gibson, with the false Idol of 2009 they were aiming at the shallow end of the market.

WB-Nick? are you still here? any updates?
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: psp742 on October 30, 2016, 08:32:11 AM
I remember reading they were going to bring back the Idol series.. maybe special run.. not sure what country will manufacturing it. My guess is China.. although the quality of China made has improved a lot, I like my Koren made idol.. it's a WI64.. not the WI66 WI67 or WI68.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: mapdude55 on November 06, 2016, 09:45:26 PM
Well, I ripped the VCC out of my WI66PROF and converted it to J Page wiring with push/pull pots at all four points, using the stock pups, and I must say, it will never leave my herd. The Gibson and the Strat stay in their cases. It is the #1 I reach for every time. Have had every single person who picks it up ask me where they could get one.
Title: Re: Who loves the Idol?
Post by: Tony Raven on November 08, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
For electrics, Washburn presently offers two (three, arguably) styles: shredder, or jazzbox.

Anyone looking for a quality affordable equivalent to the Les Paul -- like 24.75" scale, mahogany neck, maybe capped top -- is SOL.

I'll admit that the VCC scared away a lot of players; this, I suspect, is largely because many players don't like being confronted with anything new, but it's also maybe because I don't see how the VCC could possibly be "one size fits all" for every sort of humbucker pickup. Then again, I own some unusual 1960s guitars (for example: Harmony Rocket, Framus Strato, Silvertone/Danelectro 1450) & greatly enjoy the unusualness, the uiqueness, so I'm prejudiced.

But when someone comes to me asking what used guitar to buy, about the first thing I say is find one that feels great & plays great because anything else can be replaced without major hassle, but a neck & layout that doesn't suit YOU is just gonna be a huge pain & a waste of time/money/effort. Anyone who doesn't like the VCC but understands the general Idol quality is (IMO) paying attention.

I almost bought a cream WI-64, instead lucked onto the WI-66V, & haven't looked back. That minimal top-bout cutaway gives the fancier Idols that rakish hint-of-Tele look that makes it stand out from the Epiphones, & I'd readily match it against their "PRO" series. (And the Washie's headstock is prettier. ;)) Even "lesser" Idols like the 50, 45, 40, or 26 are noting to ignore. And the WI-18 seemed a perfect "SG slayer."

Oxymorons rule, & right up there with "miltary intelligence" is "corporate wisdom." The new owners, rather than capitalizing on the sunk costs of the models they inherited, decided to clean house. Like, they stopped most of the Idols, & came up with "the New Idol" WIN Series which is nothing but a cheap MIC LP clone -- a cost-cutting blunder that's greatly damaged brands like ESP's LTD & PRS's SE series, further diluting value of once-great names. The short-lived "Original Idol" (a.k.a. "Classic Idol") WIDLXWISTD series was a cynical attempt to cash in on the fading Idol cachet without actually committing, using cheaper materials & generic hardware. "Cynical"? Here's an Amazon.com listing:
Quote
The Idol has been in the Washburn lineup since the '90s a testiment to its staying power, desirability and status amongst players of all levels. With its bold single cutaway style and dual humbucker layout, the Original Idol provides a stylish alternative to the cookie cutter guitars that litter the musical landscape. When you choose an Original Idol you make a statement that you're not just an ordinary guitar player and you've got something to say.
Another from Sweetwater --
Quote
Since the 1990s, Washburn's Idol lineup has been tearing up stages around the world. With the WIDLXSPLTD Original Idol, Washburn gives you a chance to own their first-gen-style solidbody electric guitar in all of its glory. If you're the kind of guitar player who's looking to break the cookie-cutter mold of passe solidbody designs, then it's time to call your Sweetwater Sales Engineer...
Can you imagine Fender deciding to end production of the Strat or Tele or Precision or Jazz? Will Gibson maybe end the LP or SG or 335? Yet time & again some new gaggle of non-guitarists buys the Washburn offices & kills off bankable success in favor of making a quick buck before pawning the brand off on someone else even more clueless.

Look how far traffic has declined on this site in the past five years alone. Seems like half the "members" to sign on since 2011 only hang around long enough to learn they haven't bought some super-valuable axe for $100. ::) Washburn is being forgotten except among the hardcores, & the day when catalogues featured dozens of big-name endorsers seem long past.

Oh, there's an upside: why should I even think about buying a NEW Washburn electric when there's so many great used ones drifting past, their asking price generally depressed by the brand's protracted suicide? The Idol series managed to provide just about anything from a good beginner guitar to some serious limited-run glory, & should have been a long-lived gem for the brand.