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Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 14, 2010, 09:29:12 PM
Hi.  my first message here.  

An online retailer is running a clearance on a WI45.  I already have a WI64 that I really like and this has me interested in a WI45.  Comparing the WI64, with the WI45, I know the WI45 has bindings, and different PUP's.  Money is not a problem, and I feel I am getting such a good deal on the WI45, that if I did  not like it, I could probably sell it on eBay and break even.  I also sold another guitar today to make space for it.  Can anyone help me in my decision?   Any other things to consider?

Thanks in advance,

 - W
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 14, 2010, 09:49:28 PM
man the -45's go for a good price anyway. What do you mean by clearance priced?

The -45 is a -66 with Randall p'ups, from all reports. That means it's Mahogany body with a maple cap and bound. Your -64 is a contoured piece of mahogany....kind of like comparing a SG and an LP. I would love to hear how you compare the two. I think you'd find the -45 a different feel. I played a -64 in a store over the weekend (11 years old, on consignment...too high a price) and found that the balance was FAR different than my -67. Neck heavy. Not BAD, just a different feel.

I say go for it. The -45's are being hailed by all owners as a STEAL. And they're not paying clearance prices.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 14, 2010, 10:01:18 PM
Tio,

The clearance price is around $300 on the WI45.  But from looking on Amazon, that is about their price as well.

I have never held a WI45.  I find the WI64 is well balanced, not too heavy, and has a comfortable shape.  The PUP's are not the best on the WI64 - but are better than duncan designed PUP's I have played.

Still thinking about the acquisition.

Thanks,

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 15, 2010, 06:38:01 AM
You'll find some pretty good reviews on this forum from guys who have purchased these guitars recently, including talking about the pickups. It's all good feedback.

You might wanna contact Funky Munky Music (http://www.funkymunkymusic.com/index.php). He's a Washburn distributor and a member of this forum and gives price consideration to forum members. More importantly, his support is excellent. Better than you'll get with Amazon. I don't see a -45 listed on his site at the moment, but shoot him an email and see what he may have.

Good luck.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 15, 2010, 09:37:34 AM
+1 on Kimo's recommendation. for some review info, check here:

http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15754&SearchTerms=wi45

I'm still liking mine better all the time. Spent some serious time with her yesterday and, once again, confirmed my already high opinion.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 15, 2010, 10:34:44 AM
Thanks guys.  I did send an email off to Funky Munky this morning.  I'll see what he can do before I spend my money.

My WI64 grew on me too.  I had acquired a Hagstrom Ultra Swede around the same time - which is a fantastic guitar - but I am playing the WI64 more often, as it is a bit lighter, and the body shape is more comfortable for me.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 17, 2010, 04:18:56 PM
Just an update.  I am trying to make up my mind on the finish I want.  I am down to white or red flame.  Of the two best prices I found there is about $90 difference in price between the white, and the red flame finish - the red flame being more expensive.  There are days when I think the clean white w/ black hardware seems to work really well - then other days I really like the red.  Just trying to decide.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 17, 2010, 08:48:40 PM
Flamed trans-red. Not a bit of doubt about it. I can't stop looking at mine. It's the right finish for this guitar - sets off the binding and inlays perfectly.

If you need a hard shell case, try to get that done as part of the original deal. Generally, they come with gig bag. I'm guessing Funky Munky can find a hardshell for it. They can be hard to get - might be worth throwing some dollars on the original purchase..
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 17, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
^^^

I don't know if the WI45 is different dimensions from the WI64 - but my WI64 fits in an SG case.  It is a bit short in the case - but it fits in there.

I'm just hesitating a bit because my sweet spot for guitar purchases is between $200 - $300.  If I get the WI45 red flamed, it will be one of the more expensive guitars I have (I sold a Gibson LP Studio a few months ago.).  The red flamed is at the top of my list today.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 17, 2010, 09:43:18 PM
Not to downplay the importance of saving money...but over a short period of time, that 90 will seem pretty insignificant when you're talking about a guitar that you're gonna spend alot of time with. MUSIC, dude. The whole point is joy. Wait a bit if you must to get the right one. Did I not see that you have a swede? Interested to hear how you compare the 45 to that.

Good luck, Dude
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 18, 2010, 07:11:49 AM
Hey Woody.
Have you seen this thread (http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=17568#118052)?
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: mfergel on March 18, 2010, 07:54:07 AM
My WI45 fits in the Rondo music cases they sell for the Agile AL Les Paul copies.  Fits in it perfectly.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 18, 2010, 07:56:52 AM
^^^
Tio,

Thanks.  There are some good pics in that thread.

And yes - I do have a Hagstrom Ultra Swede.  A fantastic guitar.  Good or better quality on any guitar I've ever played period.  And that includes Gibsons.

I see that Washburn will be changing the body style to more of a single-cut/Les Paul style.  A Shame in my opinion.  It makes me want the current style even more.

If I swap out the PUP's in the WI45 - is it much harder than on a non VCC guitar?  I have swapped out pickups on other guitars.  Not a job I like - but on a good day, with a little patience I can do it.  

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 18, 2010, 08:02:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mfergel

My WI45 fits in the Rondo music cases they sell for the Agile AL Les Paul copies.  Fits in it perfectly.


That's really good information.[8D] Thanks!
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: mfergel on March 18, 2010, 09:39:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Woody_in_MN

^^^

If I swap out the PUP's in the WI45 - is it much harder than on a non VCC guitar?  I have swapped out pickups on other guitars.  Not a job I like - but on a good day, with a little patience I can do it.  

 - w



Shouldn't be any different because you still have the same number of wires on the pickups themselves.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 18, 2010, 10:07:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mfergel

My WI45 fits in the Rondo music cases they sell for the Agile AL Les Paul copies.  Fits in it perfectly.


Is that the ECG 300 case?
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 18, 2010, 11:55:05 AM
OK - Update.  I'm tempted to make this a separate thread - but from haggling with a online vendor - I can get a WI66 Pro w/ the SD PUP's for $500 shipped.  So there is only $120 difference between the red flame WI45, and a honey burst WI45.

So - what would you do?

I think it really comes down to how much better the SD PUP's are over the Randalls.

Money is not really that tight for me.  I could afford either option.  But to my experience a person looses some money when they buy a new guitar, and try to sell as used.  There are some exceptions to this - but to my experience you have to really make a heck of a deal to flip a guitar and make money.

So - are the SD's $120 better than the Randalls?

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: mfergel on March 18, 2010, 12:52:23 PM
Well, look at it this way.  New pups are more than that.  Used pups can typically be found for $50 each.  If you decided to go with the standard two volumes two tones you have to buy new pots (well, at least two but you might as well get some good pots).  Now you have to wire and install all of that.  Depending on how comfortable you feel with that then yeah, $120 more is a good deal..........as long as you plan on keeping the guitar.  For myself, I have no qualms changing out pickups and do it all the time for the heck of it. I have about a dozen spare pickups sitting around right now.  Essentially, as you already mention, you will not be able to flip the guitar and make money and will probably lose money if you get the WI66.  WI45 you might break even if you sell so you'd better be sure you want to keep it.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 18, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
^^^
Swapping out PUP's is not something I really enjoy doing - but I can do it.  I have done it before.

As far as prices - I just did a Craigslist search for WI66 Pro.  It looks like they are listing used between $600 to $750.  So buying a WI66Pro for around $500 - I might be able to turn a few bucks - but there is no guarantees.  Ditto - I might be able to turn a few bucks on a flammed WI45. (But I don't think I could make a profit on a white or black one.)  But again there are not guarantees.  And it would depend on how patient I would be in selling.  But I'm not buying with the intent to sell - I'm buying to enjoy it.  But I would like to minimize my risks going into this.

I guess I'll look at some pics of WI66 in honeyburst - try to make up my mind.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 18, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
UPDATE:  I ordered the WI45 Red Flammed.  There was only one in stock at this vendor - so if the count is wrong I may not get it at all.  I'll know in the next couple business days.

After looking at specs a little closer, it looks like the WI66 Pro in Honey burst comes with gold hardware.  I just don't care for gold hardware.  So this was the deciding factor for me.  I looked at this long and hard.  There is nothing else in this price range by any manufacturer that appeals to me right now.  I figure if I don't care for the PUP's I can swap them out later.  I have done this before on other guitars.  Plus, if I don't like it, I feel I can at least break even selling it on eBay.

I'll try to post pics when I get it.  I'm taking some risk here - 'cause I never played a WI45.  But my WI64 sold me on trying another Idol.

 - w

Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 19, 2010, 01:08:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Woody_in_MN
I'm taking some risk here - 'cause I never played a WI45.  But my WI64 sold me on trying another Idol.


I had the same heebie-jeebies. Not only had I not had a chance to touch the WI45 but, also, unlike the WI66, there was virtually NO information out there on this model. Generally, when I can't find any info on a product on the web, that raises a red flag for me.

Nonetheless, I accepted the risk and jumped. Like you, I went for the lower cost WI45 partly to minimize the risk.

You've seen my postings. I am in no way disappointed with the WI45. I love her more every day, especially for her playability. Maybe if I was a gigging pro, I might have a different view of the pickups but I'm not: they sound just great to me.

Would I lose money re-selling? Probably. Do I care?: Nope - not at the price I paid and, anyway, I have no intention of selling her.

Looking forward to your reaction on NGD. Have fun anticipating![:)]
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: cedwards on March 19, 2010, 01:12:29 PM
BTW, Woody, the chrome hardware on the Flamed Trans-Red looks great. It's a nice match.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 19, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
cedwards,

Yes - I have read many of your posts.  It is clear you are very happy with the WI45.  I think my ears are getter more trained as I go along, but like you I think I am not really a cork sniffer when it comes to PUP's.  It is not always in the name, or brand of the pickups. I probably have bought and sold a dozen guitars over the last couple years - but I have one of those First Act guitars they used to give away with VW cars, and I think it has great PUP's.  8 or 9 out of 10 - really.

Anyway - looking forward to the shipment notice.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: bmrbob on March 21, 2010, 03:05:00 PM
Hey everyone. I too am sold on the Idol series. I got a Wi14 last year as my first electric and love it. Ive played a few other guitar since (lp, strat, prs) but none of them get me as much as the idol feel. Ive been searching a while to upgrade to a wi45 or wi66. i finally found one to my taste. Its a Honeyburst Wi45 new from a private seller on ebay for $350. I havnt recieved it yet, but cant wait to. What do you guys think about the deal? I see the plain white and black for more than this price. Ill post pics when I get it.
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 21, 2010, 05:27:02 PM
^^^

You are right.  The black and white ones tend to go cheaper.  I had planned to order a red flammed online, but this afternoon I was watching a black WI45 on eBay, and it was sitting around $160 !  I kept watching and and decided it would be a bargain at around $180.  I bid and won the black one for $170 Shipped!!!

I think you got a very good price on the Honey Burst.  The best prices I have seen on honey, or flammed red hqve been $400 plus range.

 - w
Title: WI45 Purchase?
Post by: Woody_in_MN on March 25, 2010, 05:48:27 PM
I just got the black WI45.  It feels about 1/2 lb heavier than my WI64 - seems just under 1/2 inch thicker.  Over the next couple days, I'll play it against the WI64 and do a comparison.

 - w