The Washburn Guitars Forum

Washburn Acoustic Guitars Forums => Southwest Series => Topic started by: copperhead on November 11, 2012, 05:55:16 PM

Title: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 11, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Hello.

New to this forum. Started practicing the guitar a year ago.
Started out with an Oscar Schmidt OG2 TK (w/matching case).
Bought and sold (3) electric guitars ((2) Fender Squiers and a Dean).

Have decided to stick with acoustics. I found the O-S to be user friendly for me (easy to learn on).

I decided to upgrade to an acoustic electric and get an acoustic amp (sometime, don't have one yet).

Found this beautiful, hardly used D42SCE on CL and bought it from the original owner with hard case.
He claims he bought it new in 2006. The store tag was in the case. He also claims he almost never used it.

The first thing I noticed is the strings are WAY too high and the neck is bowed concave, a lot.

I checked the truss and made a 1/8 turn tighten to see if it still worked and had adjustment. It does.

I plan on taking this to a luthier in Greenville, S.C. for a new bone bridge saddle, new strings (ultra light) and string lowering. This same luthier did a very good job on my Oscar Schmidt.

I do hope the D42SCE is fixable. It's a beauty of a guitar.

I'll post the results on this thread. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

BTW, I like the feel of the necks on both the O-S and the D42SCE. Just right for my fingers and hand.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 11, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
Glad to hear you like the O.S.  I to was wondering about them as I had never owned one. I have played them in the store for a few min, but that was it. Till I bought the OE30 Delta King. and I think this guitar is killer for the price. As long as the truss rod is turning I would guess your ok. Welcome to the forum, and let us no how it goes.   Tom.   :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 12, 2012, 04:18:34 AM
Hi t.y.,

RE: Oscar Schmidt OG2 TK

As purchased a year ago, the used, 2002 O-S was almost like new and played well. I installed  Martin Ultra Lite strings and have enjoyed practicing on it.

Not being familiar with doing set-up on an acoustic, I sent the O-S to a luthier a few weeks ago. The O_S responded well to the set-up and is a pleasure to practice on.

The sound from the O-S is bright (light strings?) and not too bad. The D42SCE has a deeper bass sound. Some would call it "rich". I will know better about the D42 after the luthier works it over.

The O-S is not an expensive guitar and can be found for $125, or less with case. The case is worth half that price. Good Oscar Schmidt case. A 12-string won't fit in it though. LOL.

But the O-S is not perfect. The top and back are a little wavy and not flat. This does not hurt the functionality, though. The guitar stays in tune over long periods of time. It is dependable. The sound is pretty good for an inexpensive guitar, and the finish is good. I've no problems with it.

The O-S is very playable and I like the 12" fretboard radius. Works for me.

***************************
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 12, 2012, 04:36:04 AM
Back to the D42SCE:

Over the past few days, I've been making 1/8 turn adjustments to tighten the truss rod. I'll turn it 1/8th and let it set for at least (12) hours then make another tweak. The neck has almost straightened out now, and it did not take but about 1/2 turn total on the truss rod to do it.

I'm going to leave any further adjustment up to the luthier. But I'm happy the guitar is responding. It's useful life is not over. It's a real beauty to behold.

I want this guitar to be at least as good or better in its action than the Oscar Schmidt I have.

I noticed inside the sound hole, on a back brace, is inscribed in block letters: "Use medium or light strings only" (or something close to that). I've not seen that on any of my other guitars. Just an observation.

The D42 goes to the luthier tomorrow and will be a week before getting it back. I'll post the results.

I'm going to have the luthier check the B-Band pickup for operation, since I don't have an amp at this time. I want to do some research on a good acoustic guitar amp and get some recommendations. It's not hard to find15 and 20 watt practice amps for $50, but I may want something better than that.

More later.....
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 12, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
The D42SCE as you already no is a lot more expensive or better built guitar.  But like you say, O.S. is just fine for practice, or for me, just noodling around with,  or taking outside the house, or letting others play. If I was to spend real money I would get a real Gibson ES 335 or a Japan HB35. I have 10 guitars now, and have given away a few, and sold a few. I have been playing guitar now about 4 years. The winter months I seem to practice more, which is probably about normal. I believe a good set up is the best bang for the buck you can spend on a guitar, next would be bone saddle, then nut then nice bridge pins and end pin.I would only worry about tuners if  the ones on the guitar don't work or for color reasons.   Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 14, 2012, 12:59:24 PM
t.y.:

Yes, the D42 sounds like it's made of better material than the O.S.. The top really resonates on the D42. It's louder and deeper than the O.S., also.

************************
Update:

The luthier quoted me a price I thought was too high. So I backed down from taking it to him.
I'd rather put that money into a good 50/60 watt amp. 8)

I went ahead and read up on how to sand off a saddle to lower the action.

After removing the old strings, I removed the saddle carefully with some small pliers. It came out with a bit of resistance. Using 120 grit paper (best quality), the saddle was squarely sanded down 1/32". I took measurements with electronic calipers and recorded the results so I'd know where I was at. Next time, 100 grit or heavier. (BTW, I marked the front side so I would be able to put it back in the same way.)

The OEM saddle looks like some kind of plastic, but it is very hard and took longer than I thought to sand off 1/32". (I tried to buy a bone saddle, but could not find one locally.)

EDIT: Forgot to add that I polished the frets with fine steel wool, cleaned the fret board and made (2) more 1/8th turns to tighten the truss rod while the strings were off.
Ended up with a total of 3/4ths of a turn on the rod.

The saddle was then replaced and new ELIXIR Polyweb strings (10's) installed. The guitar got a tune up and sounds much better and is definitely more playable than when first purchased.

I did not achieve everything I set out to do, but it's better. I figure it will take me a few months to a year to really "break" the guitar in and get to know it. So, I may make some more tweaks and a bone saddle (have to order it) next string change.

I also added a strap pin under the neck. I don't see using the headstock to support an acoustic. The neck already has enough stress without supporting the guitar and the player's arm.

More some other time.....

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 14, 2012, 11:41:04 PM
Here, a set up, and bone nut and saddle,and Ebony and Abalone bridge pins, by Taylor, And Elixir strings and a Lemon Oil cleaning on the fret boards and complete polish cost a 100.00. But he has to hand make the nut and saddle. It takes a few hours to do this rite. I save the New Bone nut and saddle from my Washburn's and put them on less favorite guitars.. New Bone and TUSQ are about the same I think, both sound great, but I just like the bone.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 16, 2012, 04:46:24 AM
t.y.,

The luthier wanted way more for the work you get done for $100. That's why I balked.

*****************

I like this D42. Though the neck is the same width as the O.S., the neck is a bit thinner height-wise.
That's okay for me. The E & A strings come out cleaner.

I'm eager to get a good amp for it. I found a Fishman mini LoudBox (60 WATT) on CraigsList. But I'm also looking at a Behringer ACX-450 at Guitar Center, which has larger speakers.

I noticed there are not a lot of comments on acoustic amps on this forum. It would be good to hear from the experienced, which amps work best.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 16, 2012, 10:24:22 AM
 I have never used a acoustic amp. But last night I mic'd my guitar for the first time, A D10SW, new Ernie Ball Lights. Sounds unbelievable. I like mic better than plug in. I just bought a older Sound Tech powered mixer, 300wat.  and 4 crate S10 speakers, almost new, Three mic's,  two Sure, And all the cables,  And a USA peavy 2 X 15  bass cab. This thing goes pretty loud and clear.  Tom.   :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 20, 2012, 06:57:12 AM
Tom: "And a USA peavy 2 X 15  bass cab. This thing goes pretty loud and clear."

That is quite a collection of equipment.

I am finding that outside of buying a new one, acoustic guitar amps are scarce on CL and other ad websites. There are plenty of bass amps. Does a bass amp reproduce the sound of an acoustic satisfactorily?

Also, is the Peavey a quality  amp that gives no trouble? Some say to stay away from them(??).

Bass amps tend to come equipped with larger speaker(s). I just don't care for a small speaker with an acoustic electric amp.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: YerDugliness on November 20, 2012, 11:56:31 AM
I have heard numerous times that the best amp for an acoustic guitar is a small bass amp.

Cheers!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 20, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
I have a  USA Hot  Rod Deluxe, and a Fender Mustang 1 amp. The pa is for me doing what I call trying to sing.  LOL. The  USA Peavy is a      15" X 2  Bass cabinet it is for the low end of the pa. I have a older Sound Tech powered mixer, 300 watt, for the pa.  5 mic's and 5 band EQ.  And reverb. 4 USA Crate S10 speakers. and two heavy duty   MR. DJ  speaker stands. All the cables and three mics 2 Sure,  1 Optimums, 250.00 with out stands. A pawn shop close to me was moving, and gave me a good deal. I am going to buy a solid state amp just for the Peavy, 300 to 400 or so Watt.  I would think a USA Peavy amp would be a desirable amp. I have never played a real acoustic amp. They can be bought for 100.00 or so dollars.  I no there  EQ is different. Tom   :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 20, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
While on a business trip today, I checked the Craigslist in that area (N.C.) and found a Crate CA-60 for $150. I contacted the owner and met him at his home and tried it out. (I had the Washburn D42 with me)

Both the Washburn and the amp sounded good. This was the first time I got to try out the pickup in the D42. I'm glad it is working okay.

I bought the amp, which is in very good condition. Now I have to learn how to use it.  ???

Yes, I've read in a few places that bass amps will do fine with an acoustic electric. No problem finding (4) month old small bass amps (20 watts or so) for $70 on CL.

BTW, I find it amusing that the P.O.'s of both the D42 and the Crate amp are drummers in bands.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 20, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
The good news is, you did not have to hunt long for the amp.  I realy need to get on the ball and get me one.  Tom.   :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2012, 05:38:31 AM
t.y.: "you did not have to hunt long for the amp."

There was nothing reasonable in my area. I had to go 120 miles from home to get this. Fortunately, I was on a business trip near there.

The amp works well. I fooled around with it last night. It will still take me a little time to get use to where to set everything. The seller showed me that the vocal channel also works with an acoustic. So, two acoustics can be plugged in at the same time, each having separate controls.

I bought a new amp cable for the D42, with straight connectors. This was a mistake. one end needs to be 90 degrees.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2012, 09:16:45 AM
I would like some feedback on something............. :-\

This D42 came with a B-Band 3 Tone pickup system (no tuner). It works well.

On this Crate amp I bought, there is a switch for either "Active" of "Piezo".

Question: What type of pickup device is the B-Band 3 Tone? Active or Piezo?

EDIT: I think I found the answer. From the B-Band website:

""Hear the Truth"
B-Band is a manufacturer of high quality pickup systems for acoustic guitars, double basses and drums. All B-Band pickups use our proprietary patented electret film technology instead of common piezo materials. Piezo pickups tend to impart a sound of their own, often described as "quacky" or "plastic", B-Band transducers act in much the same way a condenser microphone does. This results in excellent reproduction of your acoustic instrument's unique voice. "Hear the Truth"."

It's not a Piezo. It's something else.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: vheissu on November 21, 2012, 11:04:07 AM


I bought a new amp cable for the D42, with straight connectors. This was a mistake. one end needs to be 90 degrees.

May I just ask. Why? I have bought countless cables over the years (Even when I wasn't guitaring, I was sound-teching/light teching etc) and have never really seen a point in the 90 degree cables. If anything, they just make stuff more awkward for me. I have tried them, just prefer straight, gold plated, cables.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2012, 11:25:53 AM
vheissu: "May I just ask. Why?"

Sure. It's a personal preference thing. With a straight connector plugged into the strap/input on the D42, the guitar cannot be set down on a stand without unplugging it.

A 90 degree would permit that.

Also, a straight connector really sticks out far on the guitar. A 90 degree would reduce possible bumps and bangs.

That's what I was thinking.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: vheissu on November 21, 2012, 11:33:57 AM
Fair enough. Wasn't saying either way was particularly wrong or right, was just curious. It makes sense for your guitar if it has the jack in the strap button. Personally that's never been an issue for me as my stand is stupidly high.

In answer to your other questions, I don't know whether you particularly have an active pickup. I would have thought it would just be a bog-standard passive, but I could be wrong. Sadly, I've been out of the guitar game for a few years now and a lot of knowledge has leaked out. Dipping my toes back in the water now and I'll hopefully be diving in fully again soon.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
vheissu: "Dipping my toes back in the water now and I'll hopefully be diving in fully again soon."

Yes, do it. I find practicing on the guitar to be an enjoyable challenge. Most people would profit from participating in some type of music, just for their own personal improvement.

I like acoustic guitars because they are portable, instant and sound good.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 21, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Remember to unplug the jack, if it takes a batt, or the batt, will go dead..  Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
Thanks, Tom. I didn't know that.

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 21, 2012, 06:34:20 PM
Also you want the least amount of stress possible on that thin but strong wood.  I am waiting for my local store to get heavy duty 90's in for my guitars.Been waiting a week. I worry most about the OE30, front jack.  I double wrap my cable for now before plugging in. Will still wrap them, for safety. Such as catching and pulling.  Tom.   :) P.S.   I am kinda clumsy, I step on mine now and then.  LOL.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: cedwards on November 21, 2012, 08:32:11 PM


I bought a new amp cable for the D42, with straight connectors. This was a mistake. one end needs to be 90 degrees.

May I just ask. Why? I have bought countless cables over the years (Even when I wasn't guitaring, I was sound-teching/light teching etc) and have never really seen a point in the 90 degree cables. If anything, they just make stuff more awkward for me. I have tried them, just prefer straight, gold plated, cables.

Hey Ben,

Not the case here but I have a Vox AD30VT amp. On that and similar models, the input jack is vertical into the top of the amp. One of the main knocks on this amp is that it is fairly easy, with a good tug on the chord, to yank the jack out of position. If loosened too much, the jack assembly can actually drop straight down into the amp. That results in a MAJOR pain. So, in that case, a 90 degree connector is almost a necessity - it greatly reduces the chance of torquing the jack inside the amp.. I also tie a loop through the amp handle before going into the jack. The combination of basement, beer, rock and suspect connectors demands all possible precautions. :P

The other knock on the 30VT, BTW, is the stock speaker. I was just telling The Lovely Wife, this very minute, that a Celestion G10 Greenback (or Vintage) would make a very nice Christmas gift indeed - nothing quite like new gear to tinker with over the holidays. ;D

It's a great little amp and I love its versatility and tone (through the headphones). But you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: jimsmithsr on December 23, 2012, 05:02:36 AM
Passing along some information on this series....

D-42 S Series.....made from 1999 to about 2001

Guitars in this series:

D-42 S

D-42 S-12

D-42 SCE

Well made guitars and kind of hard to find ( especially the D-42 S )....This series was imported from China and replaced by the D-46 S Series in 2002.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on December 30, 2012, 05:41:52 AM
Thanks for the info, jimsmithsr. Though I have not verified it, I think the D42 has a thinner neck than other Washburns. (It is thinner than the Oscar Schmidt OG2 I have.) This may be why there is a stamped note inside the sound hole that the D42 is to be used with light or medium strings only.

**********************
Another topic on this D42:

I have an intermittent "crackle" that comes thru the amp speakers. I can't seem to locate its source. The guitar has a new good quality cord, which I have tried both ends.  The pre-amp is a B-Band 3Tone (circa 2001). When I try to get it to "crackle" it won't do it. It only does it every other time I use the amp, and then only a crackle or two and it doesn't do it again the rest of the practice session.

Anyone familiar with acoustic/electrics give me some things to look for as  a source? I have already cleaned the plug receptical in the guitar.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: evenkeel on December 30, 2012, 06:37:26 AM
Congrats on the Crate amp.  I used to own one.  It's a good solid acoustic amp.  If you have not already done so check out the owners manual.

http://www.crateamps.com/pdf/manuals/CA60_OM.pdf

Getting the E.Q. set to your liking will be the only challenge.  My advice is to set all the E.Q. controls to the middle and get a good feel for how things sound with those settings.  Then adjust lows, mids and highs to your liking. 
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on December 30, 2012, 08:00:19 AM
evenkeel,

Thanks for the link. I down loaded the PDF.
I like the CRATE because it reproduces the acoustic sound nicely. It is plenty loud, too.

To me, using the chorus feature, turned up a bit, sounds good with songs like "Scarborough Fayre".

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: Jroedersheimer on February 14, 2013, 09:00:18 PM
I bought my guitar used in 1981, after I lost an ovation stupid drunk after my daughter was born. Anyway, as I understand this model was manufactured from 1980, my serial number starts with 78. Is it possible that it was from 1978? My serial number is 785305
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: evenkeel on February 15, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
I'm guessing you are not asking about D42, D42SCE but some other model Washburn.  A serial number beginning with the numbers 78 could mean a build date of 1978.  Could also be 1987.  Need to confirm the model number, plus some pictures would be helpful.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 17, 2013, 03:15:18 PM
For the past few months, I have only been playing my Oscar Schmidt.

This past week I decided to have a professional set-up done on the D42SCE. The action is still too high, even though the truss rod has been adjusted. I figured the nut and the bridge could be lowered and it would be okay.

It was a shock to hear from the tech that the D42 is not fixable. The neck angle is way off and needs to be reset.

I took it the D42 to another tech for a second opinion. Same results. Cost? $600 to fix.

Now what do I do? Any suggestions?

***********

I think I have learned a lesson on Craigslist guitars: They are cheap for a reason. 2 out of 3 acoustics I bought have cost prohibitive neck problems. I think the next guitar I buy will be new, with a reliable, reputable warranty and customer service to fix this stuff.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on September 17, 2013, 06:31:34 PM
NO suggestions, but I will be sure to check out the guitars if I get one of CL.   Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 17, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
t.y.,

You are right about checking out the CL guitars better. That's where my inexperience has cost me a few hundred dollars.  The D42 is in very good to excellent condition, finish-wise. There does not appear to be any warpage or damage anywhere.  The pick-up and electronics are very good. I like the way it sounds plugged in.

One tech just flat refused to work on it. The other said he could lower the  nut and bridge a bit and try  adjusting  the truss rod and it would be a bit better than it is. But he said this D42 will never sound as good as it should until the neck angle is corrected.

One tech put a straight edge on the neck which showed how far off it was. At the bridge, the neck angle was off about 3/16".

I like the bright , loud sound of the D42.  The 20:1 tuners are great on it, too.

The one thing about electric guitars is they are fairly easy to fix and adjust.

The Oscar Schmidt, for a low end guitar, has been doing so well.. No neck problems with it. It is so easy to play. The tech got the action just right. I was hoping to do the same thing with the D42.

BTW, I didn't buy the O.S. on CL. It cost more, but it's a good guitar.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on September 18, 2013, 12:39:19 AM
I have the Delta King. And I like it, it plays and sounds great. I paid 250.00 for it and Washburn case delivered new under warranty.   Tom  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 18, 2013, 03:09:35 PM
t.y.,

The Delta King is a hollow body electric. I really want to stick with acoustic. BUT....I do like the bolt on neck on that Oscar.

Which brings me to another question: Is their such a thing as a bolt-on neck conversion for a Washburn?

It is now dawning on me that factory specs and tolerances are probably too wide to get a consistently good neck angle. My D42 may well be within factory tolerances. If so, it's still the wrong angle for good playing.  With a neck angle like mine, the strings (so I have read) will not have the proper tension, ever and will never play to their fullest potentional.

t.y.: Do you have a neck angle problem with the Delta King?
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 18, 2013, 07:28:42 PM
All is not lost with this D42. Imho, here are some options:

1. Try the D42 with nylon strings.
2. Take it to the luthier, I found today, that will adjust the neck angle for $300. (What it looks like when done is a ????)
3. Trade the D42 in on a new acoustic/electric guitar at a guitar store.
4. Part it out and install the parts on my Oscar Schmidt, including the pickup.
5. Loosen the strings a bit and put it back in the case and forget about it for a couple of decades. Maybe it will be worth more as a collectors item since it's somewhat rare.
6. Hang it on the wall with my D2-12 Samick as decoration.



7. Sell it to the tech that offered me $75 for it (NO WAY).
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: evenkeel on September 18, 2013, 08:35:27 PM
Option one is a non-starter.  Guitar will sound horrible.  Nylon string guitars are braced differently.

Option two sounds like the old "slip the neck" trick.  This is very old school and generally considered a bad idea now.

You do have a few other options.

Option 1.  On a mid price to lower end guitar where resetting the neck does not make economic sense you should ask the tech about shaving the bridge.  If all you need to do is take off 3/16" this should be very doable.  The tech will literally shave the bridge down, maybe deepen the slot for the saddle and you should have a much more playable guitar.  If the tech seems clueless, find a better tech.

Option 2.  If you can lower the saddle and get the action where you like it but the break angle is to flat, see about having string ramps cut.  These are just slots from the pin hole towards the saddle. This trick will enable you to lower the saddle, get better action and keep good downward pressure on the saddle.

You could also do both.  These are not high ticket repairs.  A good tech can do both inside an hour and should charge you less than $100.

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on September 18, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
No problems, it plays and feels like a much more costly guitar.  there all from the same few factories anyway.     Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 19, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
evenkeel,

Thanks for the options. I think I'm going to try them.

Shaving the bridge will probably wipe out the decorative "butterfly" flange. May have to use a different style/shape of bridge.

I'll post some feedback and photos after these things are done.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: evenkeel on September 19, 2013, 09:48:38 AM
evenkeel,
Shaving the bridge will probably wipe out the decorative "butterfly" flange. May have to use a different style/shape of bridge.

Should only effect the top contour.  I would not try to have a new bridge put on.  It will look odd as there will be a shadow of the old bridge.  You will also likely need to have the holes filled in the top then re-drilled.  Better to just shave down the existing bridge.  It should work fine.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 19, 2013, 04:42:50 PM
evenkeel,

I am showing  my lack of experience. I thought the bridge would have to come off.

At any rate, the D42 is now in the shop. Suppose to be ready next week. (I dropped off another guitar also, for some work (different problem), that's why the week waite.)

Thanks for your advice. I told the tech what you posted and he seemed to agree.  He showed me a guitar he had he had done with a shaved down bridge. It looked pretty good. The action was right down there. The bridge looked very good.

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on September 30, 2013, 06:26:26 PM
Sorry it took so long to get back here and post the results of the bridge shave and set-up.

The work on the D42 was completed satisfactorily. The action is now normal and the guitar is much better and easier to play. The action height looks normal to slightly low.  The tech handled the guitar and the repair well. Not a single scratch.

The bridge is definitely lower (about 3/16") but is hardly noticeable. The bridge looks absolutely normal, otherwise.

He did a good job.

I also had him lower the bridge on my Samick D2-12. The 12-string is now much improved and actually improved better than the D42, though the D42 improved quite a bit.

I had the tech install a new set of Martin lights on the D42. While the guitars were in the shop, I restrung the Oscar Schmidt with  some Ernie Ball Slinky Extra Light 10 - 50 strings. I don't know how long the Ernie Balls will last, but they sound good on the O.S.. I like the .050 'E' string in that set. The Martins have an .048. I am going to try the Ernie Balls on the D42 next time.

I'd post photos, except I think this site requires a photo account to link to. I don't have that.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on September 30, 2013, 11:22:21 PM
Just put your pic on, photobucket.com.   free and easy.  Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on October 01, 2013, 06:34:40 PM
t.y.,

I have an antiquated dial-up connection. It won't load photos. A lot of times it locks up when I try to view a photo. Other times it take "forever" to upload or download. Small photos, like 100 MB, are not too bad.

No DSL or cable out here in the sticks. And in times past, satellite was not even available due to all the accounts being taken.

I have been to some photobucket type sites and it takes too long just to get on.

But the D42 is doing well. Much improved. I have put several hours on it now since the work was done.

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: evenkeel on October 03, 2013, 03:08:11 PM
Glad to hear the luthier work went well.  Well done! :) :) :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on October 19, 2013, 07:58:13 PM
evenkeel,

I wish to thank you for your advice on shaving the bridge.

I now have many hours on the D42 and am satisfied with the results. The D42 went from a marginal guitar to one that  is fast and much easier to play.  And it sounds better, too.

Your advice "rescued" this guitar from collecting dust, to being my favorite.  Thanks.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 04, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
I found out something about this D42 while going thru eBay ads. The D42SCE and the D46SCE both have similar "thin" necks. That may mean the D46, like the D42, is limited to light or medium strings.

I do not plan on using anything heavier than light on this D42 because the neck is quite thin.

("Thin", as in viewing from the side view. The nut is still 43mm wide.)

Ernie Ball has some light strings that use heavier 'E' & 'A' strings (.050 & .040 respectively).  That's about as heavy as I'll go.

I have read that more volume can be obtained by using a heavier string.  I may have to limit this guitar to just flatpickin' and using the amp.

Edit: Add comment: While comparing the construction of the D42 to the Oscar Schmidt, the thought occured  that perhaps the thin neck on the D42 is having an affect on the tone, bass, volume, etc......?? The O.S. has a stout. somewhat thick neck. The D42 is thinner.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 21, 2013, 06:57:45 PM
I recently bought a Zoom H2N handheld stereo recorder for the purpose of documenting changes done to the D42 (and other guitars as well).

What a neat little instrument that does so much.   So many different settings and formats to try. It is so versatile, that an electrified guitar can be plugged directly into it. I also can record old cassette tapes directly into Zoom  and .WAV format, via the headphone jack and an adaptor on the home stereo receiver. I have even tried it out as a microphone plugged into the Crate amp (though feedback thru the mic is sometimes bad).

After recording all of my guitars using the same settings, then playing them back on the computer, thru amplified speakers, and listening to a sound clip of each, I've determined the D42 could use a little help. At this point, the Oscar Schmidt, with its laminated top, actually sounds boomier and louder and more of what I'm wanting, than the D42SCE. Next string change, the D42 gets a bone saddle and the Slinky Light acoustic strings.

Edit: Adding comment on temperture and humidity.

Am I imagining things?

I have a digital temperature/humidity gauge to monitor room environment where I keep and play the guitar. Most of the time the humidity stays around 70-80 %, temp. around 65 - 75 deg., depending on the season.  But when both the temp. & humidity drop a few points below the norm, the guitars seem to sound better. (??)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 21, 2013, 10:32:07 PM
50%   + or -  5%  is ideal.     Could very well be as wood has water and most things are affected buy these changes.   Now,  I have a zoom H2N also.   I took it to Ryan's Steak House with me an sat kind of in the middle and put it on auto gain and so on, in surround mode.   That was wild,  can even hear the pans in the kitchen, and people sit there coffee cups down.   Took it outside in the yard with the bird feeders and such. I use it more for fun than the guitar room it was bought for.   sadly it  taught me two things, I can not sing as good as I thought I could,  And am very sure I am not in danger of becoming a guitar god.:)  Have not plugged a amp in to it yet.  Was the feed back hard to deal with?  If so, do you have any tips, that you learned?  And +1 on the bone nut and saddle and for me wood bridge pins also.    Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 22, 2013, 09:26:38 AM
t.y.: "Was the feed back hard to deal with?  If so, do you have any tips, that you learned?"

Plugged into the vocal jack on the Crate, the feedback was terrible. Had to turn the gain and volume way down. Standing behind the amp was not so bad. The H2N can be used as a mic, but I don't think it's that practical. It picks up too much, not directional enough for use as a PA mic.

Just something I wanted to try with the Zoom..

The test parameters (Kbps, gain setting, pickup mode, etc.) call for the H2N on a camera tripod, approx 3-4 feet from the sound hole, then try the different stereo and surround sound modes, then repeat trying the various kbps levels programmed into the H2N (44.1, 48, 96, etc.) and different gains. Then I play the same song on each guitar when stepping thru the parameters.  The results are downloaded to a computer and folders generated noting what test parameters were used. Then I sit there and listen and compare the quality and the results and take notes.

All of this is to give me a frame of reference and some empirical experience in basic recording techniques.

I was doing some recording directly into Audacity using a cheap mic from the 1980's. This was cumbersome. The H2N is easier to use and more flexible in how it is used and where. (Actually, the cheap mic/Audacity thing was not too bad. But the H2N has better pickup and "sound resolution".)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 22, 2013, 12:17:51 PM
Thanks.  One of these days I will have to give it a try. Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 27, 2013, 07:07:25 PM
Tom,

Does your H2N have a hissing background noise to it? Mine does, until I start playing. Then it's not so noticeable.  It is always in the first few seconds of a recording, before I start to play.

Perhaps I don't have something set properly for a guitar solo.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 27, 2013, 07:24:15 PM
Back on topic:

I went to GC to buy another pack or two of the Ernie Ball Slinky for acoutics, product #2160, "Coated Titanium RPS Technology".

Duh, no longer available!

I checked some websites and same thing.

Just when I found some strings I really like, they are  not available. None on Ebay, either.

I put a set of these on the Oscar Schmidt, and wow, what a noticeable improvement all the way around. I had been using Martin Lights.

The only Titanium RPS strings from Ernie Ball are for electrics. Maybe I should try some electrics on one of my acoustics.(??) I really liked these E.B. 2160's. They are a bit heavier than Martin lights.

E.B. #2160: 10, 14, 20, 28, 40, 50.

Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: YerDugliness on November 27, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
Try Dean Markley Alchemy Gold-Bronze lights (.011"=.052").

Expensive at around $14 a set, but worth it. Not only do they hold a tune for a long time, they hold their tone for a long time, too.

Cheers!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on November 27, 2013, 10:42:49 PM
No hissing in mine,  Wonder if your gain is to high.  If I remember rite I have mine set on auto..  Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on November 28, 2013, 04:37:28 AM
Dugly,

Thanks for the suggestion. I will try the Dean Markley's.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on December 02, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
t.y.: "Wonder if your gain is to high."

I set mine to auto gain and no more hissing. I must have had the gain set too high for the room I was in.

BTW1, I played a single note recording and then a separate strum pattern recording of the same song and imported them into Audacity and synchonised the tracks. Then played it back, and saved them to one Audacity file.  Neat. What neat technology is available to home players now, and not all that expensive to do some basic recordings.

BTW2, With the auto gain, I have to "Normalise" the tracks to get the volume up.

***************
Dugly,

Looks like you and I  have been obsoleted by string companies re-inventing themselves.

Your Dean Markley "Alchemy Golds" have been discontinued and replaced by the "Matrix" series.
GC did not hve the A.G.'s either. I don't think the Matrix is the same string, but I didn't look into it too far.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on December 02, 2013, 06:43:55 PM
BTW2, With the auto gain, I have to "Normalise" the tracks to get the volume up.
 I will remember this.  I just saved the files to desktop and played them, if I remember rite. Been over a year.    I know I am getting old when every thing I like is Classic or Vintage.   LOL..  Tom.  :)
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: copperhead on January 12, 2014, 05:25:22 PM
Using the Zoom H2N, I made some recordings with the D42 and sent them (MP3 format) to an accomplished professional guitar player friend in France.

He came back twice with compliments on the sound of the D42, (and criticism of my playing, LOL). The D42 sounds noticeably better after the bridge shaving. The action now is about perfect for me. I have put many hours on it recently and it almost seems the guitar is starting to "open up".

I really do like this D42. It sounds better to the listener than to me. It projects quite well perpendicular to the top board. It sounds better in playing back a recording than it does from my perspective of playing it.
Title: Re: D42SCE Fix-up
Post by: t.y. on January 13, 2014, 03:00:41 PM
Sound Cloud or something on that order is free, that's how the guy puts his recordings of his Hawk on here.  Tom.  :)