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Title: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on October 28, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
Hi Folks,
New member here.
I currently have a quite worn HB15 and very happy with it.
I am on the edge about to order one of the new (I guess new?) J600 models.
I used the search area to glean any information good or bad about the guitar but nothing turned up.
Does anyone here own one yet and have any opinon about it?

Whie I am at it could I ask what strings players are using and happy with them? I am thinking of putting on a set of flats but would like to here from users if there are any here.
Thanks for having me here.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on October 31, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
Well, Today I went to the local GC, paid for, and ordered my new J600.
There does not seem to be much interest here on the Washburn Forum  about the J600 so prpbably not much use in  giving my thoughts on it after I get it. The guitar is due in 4 to 6 day from now but as is normal take a little longer. I am pretty excited about having it in my hands and giving her a go. Sure hope it is as sweet as it seems to be.
Adios Amgos, been nice.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on October 31, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
I hope that I am not stepping out of line here, but; I felt compelled to reply.....please don't feel that you where being ignored concerning your questions about your new J600. It could be that the members that have experience with this guitar has not yet stopped by the forum and seen your post, while others just don't have any background dealing with this instrument. I have no experience with this instrument but, believe it to be a fine instrument, judging from the reviews I've read (the body shape reminds me of the old Gibson L5s, always wanted one back in the day, but with college, marriage, and kids, I could never afford one, was able to buy a Gibson L6s Custom though, still have it, still love it.) You're lucky to have that new J600 on the way, and I for one and I am sure others at this forum would love to hear your thoughts once you're had a chance to put it thought it's paces, and please some photos if you can.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 01, 2013, 07:38:45 PM
Well, then, I thank you Sextant1951. I guess I am just used to the participation in the Les Paul Forum. I got an email today that it has been shipped. I am having it sent to the store so if there are any problems it will be bared for all.
I will indeed give my opinion first hand with the J600 and am pretty excited about seeing it .
Thanks again for your input and sage advice.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 01, 2013, 11:32:39 PM
You're most welcome..... we help and learn... from each other. From your hands on review, I'm sure you will be helping others, on down the line.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: t.y. on November 01, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
It is getting winter time, this place will pick up again.   At least I hope.  :)   Tom.  :)
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: bloozeguy on November 03, 2013, 04:15:26 PM
I fear we must admit that the action isn't always hot and heavy on the hollowbody/jazzbox page.  I've posted looking for information on the HB17 and have had no reply, though it's come up elsewhere, and that's fine.  The one I had my eyes on is probably gone now--my money suddenly had to go elsewhere, just when I was ready to pull the trigger, too.
I'd be really interested in what you have to say about the J600.  I also wonder if you may have checked out the Dean Palomino series in your guitar search, and how it may have stacked up against the Washburns.   A local indy store in my area has a couple--one is the model much like the J600 (big bod, single floating minibucker). 
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 03, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Thanks for the reply and thoughts  bloozguy.
Actually I have never heard of that type of model from Dean, but, I will be lookng for it tonight and thanks for the heads up.
I am probably heading out to Guitar Center Monday afternoon. The y have a $100 off coupon for items over $499 so I want to make sure to get it taken off the price of the J600. Sorry to hear you couln't pick up the HB17, it looks like a sweet guitar.
My guitar should be in this next week as they sent me an email saying it hasbeen shipped.
I will post when I have it.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 08, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Well I picked up the J600 today thank you very much. I think it is a real beauty and love it.
At lest 4 of the guys working at GC were loving what they saw and begged to play it a bit.
 I have ordered a couple of sets of DR Pure Blues in 11's, and a couple sets of DR Flatwounds in 11's.
I took a few pictures to share but have not yet figured out how to post pics. I clicked on the 'insert image' button but it just keeps placing IMG IMG in the posting area.
Anyone help with this?
Thanks so much.
I paper cut my silly inex finger tip this afternoon and left blood on the strings and fretboard, so, can't play it for a couple days to see how I like it.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 09, 2013, 12:11:57 PM
Here is a link or 2 to pictures of the new J600 - hope you lilke what you see.

Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 12, 2013, 07:24:50 AM
That's a fine looking axe, should be proud, which I'm sure you are. Love that head stock design, wish my HB35 carried it. As far as I know only the HB36, J600, and the J7V, carry that design? Know almost nothing about " jazz boxes" thought I would ask, I noticed in your first image a space between the pick guard and the floating pickup, showing wires/electronics? Is this common for this type of guitar...meaning floating pickups abreast pick guard have open spaces?  Also the guitar's finish...does it carry the same finish as the Washburn vintage guitars? From your images, thought I saw some nicks and dings...put on  purposely by the factory? Lastly, don't know if you've had time to flax out on her, but; how does she play?
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 12, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
Thanks for the kind words sextant.
I cut the tip of my left ring finger the eve I brought the guitar home so can't comment on the palying experience yet. Still very tender today.
I am prett unhappy just looking at my new Gem.
      Tell you the truth I really don't know the difference between this hollowbody gutar and say the HB15.
I own an HB15 full, no cutaway, and figure out why one is a Jazz and the other a hollowbody.

The HB15 is the reason I fell over myself when I saw the J600. I know they have been out for a year or more but I never saw them. I bought the HB15 from a fellow out in Montana through the Mandolin Cafe classifieds.
Yes the "nicks and bruises you see in the picture are because the guitar is "distressed" which I LOVE  because they did a terrific job with it. Even the all the hardware is distressed, old looking, brass - really can't say enough about the guitar so far.

I have a couple sets of DR pure Blues and Flats in 11's on the way and plan to try them out. I am sure the strings on the guitar are light ones. I have also read on a few reviews , youtube as well, that the finish on the back of the neck is kind of roughly done and the frets need smoothing out. Well, Washburn must have listened because I have found none of those issues - everything is top notch, even the action is great for me right out of the box.
          The  pickup is floating and is connected to the pickguard - how is that for a difference? The pickup on my HB15 id connected to the base area of the neck and is also floating. Because of where it is connected, the wires run just under the pickup and drop down through a tiny hole into the body of the guitar. The HB15 runs the wires the same way basically down a tiny hole into the cavity of the body.
     You are correct about the headstock design - just the guitars you mentioned have that look.
           As I understand it, Washburn wanted the J600 to look like a family heirloom right out of the box, and I think it does.
When my silly finger heals I will be happy to comment on the playability and sound.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 13, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
I know that you're eager to play her, hope your finger heals quickly. I see what you're saying about the lack of difference between the HB15 and the J600 at first sight, but; I'm thinking, because the HB15 is made with a maple block in the center Washburn is not calling it a full Jazz guitar, while the J600 is not made with that block, fully hollow, they are. Read that you was sure as to what gauge strings your J600 is strung with. (light ones)  For a while now I've been using this tool to tell me just what gauge strings are strung on any new guitar that I buy (a digital caliper). I always check with the CS department, as to what brand and gauge string the guitar is originally strung with at the factory. I'm kind of anal about that since I never stray to much from the string gauge the guitar was meant to receive. Maybe one gauge up on a guitar that sports a trapeze tail , but almost never on a guitar with a stop tail. You probably already know about this tool, it does help you to determine what gauge string any guitar, new or used is strung with and it's also good for taking other measurements on your guitar/guitars. I get true readings when I check the string section between the bridge and the tail. Lay a wash rag or some other material under that section before taking measurements, the jaws of the caliper are sharp and will mar your finish, if you're not careful.  StewMac's version seems to be somewhat overpriced, but I've seen them at for much less. And I've seen the non-digital versions at Ace Hardware for even less. Question about the the pickup and pickguard being connected on the J600...if you chose to swap out the pickup in the future, would that not cause somewhat of an headache since the pickup and pickguard are connected? I mean it seems that you would have remove the whole apparatus just to do so.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 13, 2013, 01:27:07 PM
HI sextant.
You sound like a techy kind, I like that since I have much to learn.
I looked for the maple block you mentioned for the HB15 and what I found (with a mirror) is only 2 wooden bars ( top braces ) approx 1"x 1/4" running the long length of the guitars top.
1 Bar is not even touching the top most of the length, in fact it is about a 1/2" away from the top - it might have come loose and should not have.
The 2nd bar is glued along the top just fine. The bars are space equally across the tops width running lengthwise.
I saw no other piece of wood.

The J600 has a piece of wood that is under the bridge and is approx 1 1/2" x 1" and is standing straight up from bottom to top ( a post support ) with an equal sized piece of wood laying flat ways between it and the top to brace it.
No other piece of wood to be seen.
I can say for sure that the HB15 has a small curvature on the top and bottom. T
he J600 has a definite arched top and bottom - much more pronounced.
The J600 is also a larger guitar:

J600 body length - 21 1/2"
HB15 body length - 20 1/2"
J600 body Width at widest point - 16 5/8"
HB15 "       "       "     "        "     - 16"
J600 Width at widest point - 3 5/8"
HB15   "      "     "       "     - 2 7/8"

I actually do have a digital caliper as in the link. The heavy E string is a 9 and the HB has 11's on it.
Washburn's site lists all electrics come with 9's ( D'Addarios )
I have googled my keester off and it appears to me that 11's would be fine on the guitars (both) and give the best tone for most folks.
So I think I will at least give them a go when they come in.

I do agree that if one wanted to replace the pickup it would indeed be a problem. I must say though I love the sound and playability of the HB15 even if the top brace came loose.
Finger feeling a little less sore today - hoping for the weekend to play some.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 13, 2013, 04:27:18 PM
Thanks for clearing up "my confusion" about the HB15 not having a solid block inside. My original confusion about that comes from these words posted under the image of the HB15 at the Washburn website......"Hollowbody guitars are typically lighter and more resonant than their solid body counter parts. This gives a somewhat mellower tone to the guitar making it well suited to Jazz, Blues or Rock. These double cutaway models include a "solid maple block in the center", increasing sustain and reducing susceptibility to feedback in high volume situations". By reading this under the image of the HB15 I thought that all guitars of the HB series carried the center block. Not so it seems, since I've also learned that the HB17 also "does not have a maple solid block inside"?, according to the words solid maple block being excluded in the description post beneath the image at the Washburn website. ( now I think I'm right about that, but; maybe not). Should have noticed that the words may have been out of place with the inclusion of the words "these double cutaway model"s, pertaining to the HB15. I think your choice of strings for your J600 is spot on, the 11s should work fine, should give you a great sound. The only guitar that I have that might even be considered as even being close to a jazz box would be a Hagstrom Viking Deluxe that I own. I will changing from 10s to 11s after a pro setup in the near future. Actually, I'm not much of a guitar tech guy, maybe know more than some, but; much less than others, I'm sure. Just love working on my own gear from time to time.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 14, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
Hi Sextant,
Thanks for your input.
The HB15 I have I think is a 2010 model. I am guessing a bit based on the serial number and the way their site says to interput.
The newer models may well have a wood block that we expected to see - I have not yet seen a new one. The wording on the washburn site has me scratching my head as you do. What double cutaway? Hmmmmm.

I am going to see if I can google up a picture of the Hagstrom Viking Deluxe  you have to see what it looks like.

By the way, have you ever seen an Ibanez AFJ91?
I have not but have pics of it and it looks pretty darn good.
Comes in a Red finish?

On doing a little work on my guitars I have the Guitar Player Repair Guide by Dan Erlewine to help me screww things up.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 14, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
Like the satire you used in explaining your use of the Guitar Player Repair Guide. (explains me to a tee, well maybe not as bad as that) I have two of Dan Erlewine's books:  Guitar Player Repair Guide (third edition) and How To Make Your Electric Guitar Play Great! (second edition). In my IHO Dan Erlewine is a Guru when it comes to guitar maintenace, the man has been dropping great tips for a long time.  I also have a dvd titled Guitar Setup & Maintenance:  featuring Denny Rauen...covering both electric and acoustic guitar.  Great guitar maintenance tips in all, I think. Over the years I've collected a lot of guitar maintenance tips from different sources and created my own three ring binder chock full of info that I refer to from time to time. I also visit these sites on a regular basis, Billy Penns and I find the info there is presented in a straight forward manner, I hate sites that present info in beating around the bush presentations, damn annoying when you're trying to get something done. Even with all this info in hand I must admit I still stink at guitar repair and maintenance at times. I have no experience with the Ibanez AFJ91, gave it a good look at Sweetwater looks to be a fine instrument. From what I seen and read...don't like it as much as the J600, but mind you I never picked one up. Never picked up a J600 either, but; I like what I see. The color reminds me of a color that a Gibson Les Paul Studio (model faded red?) used to sport, if it still doesn't. looked good on that guitar, but on the AFJ91...meh, I'm thinking not so much. My opinion only. As I remember US Music (Washburn's parent company?) had something to do with the reissue of Hagstrom Guitars. I also remember reading that they also parent the Jay Turser, Oscar Schmidt, Parker, line of guitars, as well as Marshall Amplification and Warwick basses. So I'm thinking maybe the Hags being made today (in China) does not stray that far from the Washburn touch. A lot of the images online of the Hagstrom Viking Deluxe (Natural) which I have, a lot of times present this guitar with a mustard/yellow like finish. Not has a palomino horse like color/finish that is nothing short of exquisite. IMO it's a handsome guitar (instead of know, that kind of Mariel Hemingway kind of handsome) that plays as good as it looks. It came to me in a kind of round about way...would not have "directly" bought one on my own, not a big fan owning guitars that sport trapeze tails, but this guitar is a definite keeper.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 15, 2013, 08:15:36 AM
Yeah, I know enough to be dangerous.
My flatwounds and pure nickles came in yesterday.
I am going to put on a set of the flatwound on the J600 this weekend and try them out.
I think my sorry finger will be ready to pick a little by then.
Having picked up the J600 I do need to admit I play NO Jazz - at all.
Never really cared for most I have heard, just a little once in whle will do nicely.

I checked out the Viking and it looks to be a real nice guitar, very glad you enjoy it. It is semi right?

You are right indeed - Hemmingway may be a little on the handsome side but certainly not pretty.

have to talk a little later - on the way to the fitness center with my honey.
Hope your day and the weekend are good for you and yours.
sextant - do you have one?
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 15, 2013, 04:26:51 PM
Actually I think Marial is quite pretty. In trying to describe the cosmetic attributes of my Hagstrom, I failed in capturing the full essence of what I was tyring to say.

More like this:


Handsome Woman:

"A woman with the kind of refined beauty and attractiveness that requires poise, dignity, and strength of mind and character, things that often come with age; not merely sex-appeal. Usually applied to a woman who is also very well-groomed and from an upper class background.

This phrase is very dated and rarely used in today's English. Those who may not understand the term could almost be insulted by the word "handsome" being applied to a woman, mistakenly thinking you're saying she is masculine."

That's more of what I wanted understood  when I used the terms, a handsome guitar....that kind of Marial Hemingway handsome. To me the guitar just has that look and feel. Yes the Hagstrom Viking Deluxe is a semi.

I'm a big Jazz fan, also a fan of Blues and Jazz/Blues Fusion. That being said, I'm even a bigger fan of Jazz and Blues guitarists.

sextant-do you have one?

If you speaking of the nautical instrument, yes, an old one, given to me as a present by fellow shipmates on my retirement from the Navy. Mostly love anything nautical.

Have a great weekend, and if you're able to play, play the heck out of that new axe!

Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 16, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
Sorry, hoped not to offend. Just that Hemmingwas and Mia Farrow (spelled right) are just not my cup tea. But, on the positive side I DO think the Viking is a real gem, just doesn't remind me of anyone.
I wished I could like jazz more that the casual occasional listen I do. I think it would broaden my musical knowledge a whole lot and that would be a good thing.
I spent 10 years in the old USN (enlisted Boilerman) and never had a sextant in my hand.
I would see a picture of one once in a while and kinda wished I had one and more importantly, know how to use it.
Weekend is so far going okay but not getting some things done as I wanted to.
My 102 year old FIL lives with us (11 years now) and he is all consuming most of the time.
Hope your weekend is going well.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 17, 2013, 07:42:26 AM
No offense taken. I don't have any special hots for Hemingway either..not bad looking though..IMO. Funny how this discussion started off talking about guitars, and drifted of into the discussion of women. Ah... "Men"....what a piece of work we are. We do at times tend to anthropomorphize things/objects that we love. We at times tend to do so even without being fully aware that we're doing it. For years the word "she" has been used as a form of endearment by many when speaking of, cars, ships, boats, planes, guitars, etc. Or we at times give them female names, case in point, B.B. King's well known guitar "Lucille." I guess that's where I was coming from when I originally talked about the looks of my Viking Deluxe. Might have been a tad bit florid in my explanation, a personal thing I suppose. Hard sometimes to get your exact thoughts understood, by the use of the web. I'm old Navy also. I was taught how to use a Sextant years ago by a Navy Signalman (Chief Petty Officer). Today, I believe that rate is phased out and the sailors of that rating has been retrained into other ratings. Sextants are one of those instruments that has the look of being more difficult to use than it really is. Not that hard to use really, unless of course you're on a vessel out at sea that's pitching and rolling, takes practice and patience to get a sight quickly and accurately when that's happening. BTW, thank you for your service, I mean that sincerely. Don't know how deep your liking for jazz guitars go, but; give a look at the Hagstrom HJ-500.. maybe not in the same league as the Ibanez George Benson or Pat Metheny models, but a decent axe all the same. Wow, 102 years old, (reaching that age is quite an accomplishment in itself) taking care of an elderly relative can be trying at times, I know..I've been there... hang in there shipmate, by being there, giving him the care that he needs, you and your wife are doing such a great thing, IMHO.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 17, 2013, 06:53:07 PM
Good, hank you.
I can't deny I am guilty of doing the same thing in calling some belongings she or her this and that.
Can't say I ever imagined a face or person to go along with it.
I think women kinda like men doing that sort of thing and come to expect it and not think much of it.
And you're right it usually is meant in an endearment way.
They must have objected of course to storms cause it sure got changed. (heh)

I did google the Hagstrom HJ-500 and it looks pretty sweet.
At this time of my goings on I am really liking the sound of a single pickup like the mini humbuckers being placed on a few guitars .
Love the simplicity of one vol and one tone knob. The very used HB15 I have only has a vol knob. The guy that I bought it from said he didn't need it so removed it and wired up for the Vol only setup. Now that I have been pokng away on it for a couple months I can't say he was wrong - works just fine. I stuck a couple round stickes over the holes left.

And my thank you for your service goes right back to you, and thanks for thinking about it.
I am a Nam Vet and we all know how that went over.

Thanks also for the kind words for my wife and I taking care of the old one - maybe that is partly why he is still here.
He thinks for sure he would have died some time ago if he where in a  nursing home - who knows, maybe.

Do you have any other guitars you pick around on?
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 19, 2013, 01:59:27 AM
Yes...more than a couple.

3 Washburns

4 Maldens (decent, well made guitars, but; not well known)

2 Gibsons

1 Fender (acoustic)

And of course the Hag.

I try not to let any of these guitars sit idle for to long, I make sure all of them are played quite often.

I have another Washburn on order, should be receiving it, hopefully within the next two weeks. Interesting that you like playing your HB15 without a functioning tone knob, I'm guessing you're pulling all the tone you need from your amp? Will you be nullifying the tone knob feature on your new J600?
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: barricwiley on November 19, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
Hey now - That is a nice grouping of guitars.
I have about the same except mor acoustics - I guess really my 'go to' guitars. I think I am not so quick to grab an electric becaus someone upstars might hear me. I just got a decent pair of headphones and think I will give that a try.
4 acoustics
3 Gibson Les Pauls
1 fender MIM Tele
1 Gretsch 5120
And a couple of basses.

I just love the HB15 the way it is and just have knobs on the amp about half way turned.

No, I have no intention of changing anything on the J600. I can't imagine what could possibly improve it for my use. A work of art.
But then, aren't they all functioning works of art for us?

Soooo what model Washburn have you ordered if I may ask?
Looking forward to looking it up.
Best to you and have a great day!
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 20, 2013, 03:23:57 AM
Thanks. Your list of gear seems very nice also. I use my headphones quite often for late night practice, a closed back monitor pair, read some time ago that, that kind was best for practice due to the fact that they pick up all the highs, mids, and lows that the amp has to offer. After some consideration I decided to purchase a Washburn R320SWR parlor guitar. Had some reservations about owning a solid wood guitar, but; I've gotten past that and now glad that I've made the purchase. I have a dread ( an old Fender Sonoran SCE, Black, love the neck on this guitar, plays well, and cosmetic wise, looks just great. Would have never bought this kind of guitar, on my own, (it's another guitar that made it's way into the stable in a round about way) which at my age seems to be a little large to handle at times, wanted something smaller. Although I have a Washburn Rover R010 (which is great to grab at anytime for a quick strum or practice) it doesn't give me near the sound/tone, that I'm looking for from a small acoustic. Looked at a lot of parlor sized gits offered today and settled on the R320SWR.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: t.y. on November 20, 2013, 04:05:22 AM
I have a black Sonoran SCE. second gen, love the look of the white pearl binding and pick guard .  Also like the soft C neck.  And the Fishman.  I put it in one of my Washburn  Dread Deluxe cases.  Tom.  :)
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on November 20, 2013, 06:53:14 AM
I think I have the same type model you have Tom, sans the upgrades that Fender recently made to the pickguard, nut, bridge, and saddle. I to like the look of the binding and pickguard, love the strat head stock. IMO, it's a very handsome guitar, Whoops.......there I go again! (smiles). Bought a Silver Creek Dreadnought hardcase for her a couple of years ago, fits perfectly.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: t.y. on November 20, 2013, 11:54:43 AM
 Yep, same one.  Bone & three ply.   And Fishman.  I hate to say it, but I traded my O.S. Delta King for it, kept the Washburn case for it.  But I just can not stand the thought of parting with my three Washburn acoustic's, as the are very close to perfect.    Tom.  :)
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: gadjo on May 17, 2014, 01:45:56 PM
I'm onwner of a washburn J600, and my guitar has a very high action and it is very difficult and hard to play on it, getting a very dry sound, when tryng to low action adjusting the brigde down strings make noise on the frets, any help about that, thanks and greetings from a new member.
Title: Re: Washburn J600
Post by: Sextant1951 on May 24, 2014, 12:42:37 AM
Welcome to the forum gadjo..I would suggest you find a good guitar tech/luthier in your area (if you have not already) and take it in for a pro setup.....doing that should make things right.