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Title: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 12, 2015, 05:14:10 PM
Just bought a new old guitar off an internet board  :)
Stamped inside as D-30-SN
Serial #92326 on the headstock and 184 on the upper bracing.
Is it from 1989 or 1992? Anybody here who knows where an when she was made?

It fits to the description of a D-30 S (Second Version), with solid cedar top and bird's eye maple back & sides. Looks in detail like the ones from tio kimo and bikerdave here on this forum, except the MIJ sticker..http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,18010.msg119560.html#msg119560 (http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,18010.msg119560.html#msg119560)
She has some marks all around, worst are on the top. Nothing structural though.
Intonation is a bit off. Nut and saddle (bone) will need some fixing by a luthier.

The sound is mellow and dark, but with a lot of sparkle and attack.
The colors of the woods are really, really nicely darkened by age. It is made of honey  :D
*The striped cedar grain on the top is amazing*

Hope you enjoy!
Any hints and comments welcome.

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4226_zpsyfmmxzyn.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4226_zpsyfmmxzyn.jpg.html)

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4225_zpsiipzdg72.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4225_zpsiipzdg72.jpg.html)

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/dc8892f6-f0aa-4f31-a369-bee56248eb24_zpsdkeectty.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/dc8892f6-f0aa-4f31-a369-bee56248eb24_zpsdkeectty.jpg.html)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: YerDugliness on November 12, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
Wow...simply wow...beautiful! It has been a long time since I bought a guitar with a spruce top, I prefer cedar or redwood. Truly, the top on yours is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen!!!

Cheers!!!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 13, 2015, 04:04:18 PM
Hello Dugly,
I found the picture of your D-61 SW 's rosette here:
http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,15346.msg100341.html#msg100341 (http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/topic,15346.msg100341.html#msg100341)

My D-30-SN has a similar fine, only wood inlay:
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-13%2022.10.53_zpsx5j2ifmq.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-13%2022.10.53_zpsx5j2ifmq.jpg.html)

Grain and inlay shining through the pickguard:
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-13%2022.11.07_zpsdwqilmpv.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-13%2022.11.07_zpsdwqilmpv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: ship of fools on November 14, 2015, 12:02:45 PM
its from 1979 first version made in Yamaki factory in Japan the second version was a jumbo and yours has the dread shape
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: YerDugliness on November 14, 2015, 12:54:57 PM
That explains the rosette matching the one on my D61SW,,,another Yamaki build.

When you say "Jumbo", you mean a "Southern Jumbo"...a slope shouldered dread size guitar, right?

Thanks, Ship!

Cheers!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 14, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
Hey thanks ship!  :)  :D
Hearing that it's 9 years older (i thought 1988 or 92) and really a Yamaki, Japan built gave me a nice rush of exitement.
I already had a suspect when I saw the resemblance of the neck transition with some of the higher Yamaki builts here on the forum. It's edgier than on my 1988 D-20-SN:

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4172_zpso1qc94ev.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4172_zpso1qc94ev.jpg.html)

I start to get worried though about the intonation problems I have. I read somewhere about neck problems and that It can happen that the neck block doesn't touch the back anymore. On mine there is a gap:

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4194_zpsy3vykrm4.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4194_zpsy3vykrm4.jpg.html)

Any ideas if this is ok?
Well, probably it's time to carry it to the luthier and get a solid estimate.. The bridge will also need a check:

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4188_zps0cvhfwa7.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4188_zps0cvhfwa7.jpg.html)

Talking about the shape of this guitar, I can only say i feel it's still a slope shoulder dread, but more sloped than my D-20-SN. Definitely Gibson style.

It also obviously a cleaner, better built quality than my D-20. namely the frets and fretboard quality, much less glue remainings inside, the finish is applied more carefully (thinner?) as there is not this glueish transition from neck to body that find on cheaper ones:

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4230_zpst6bny9dc.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4230_zpst6bny9dc.jpg.html)

There's also a soundboard transducer installed, but I didn't check if it's functional: (Barcus Berry?)

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4200_zpsjg8q6itt.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4200_zpsjg8q6itt.jpg.html)

Inlay at the tail:
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4201_zpsfyri3xx8.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/SAM_4201_zpsfyri3xx8.jpg.html)

Sorry for going over the top, I hope someones still interested :-D
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: YerDugliness on November 14, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
That little pyramid shaped section on the back of the head/neck junction is called a "volute". It is a very useful tool for positioning the hand correctly on the neck when playing at the first position...and also feeling when the hand is positioned correctly when returning there, too. Yamaki built Washburns are some of my faves!

Cheers!!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: YerDugliness on November 15, 2015, 12:09:12 AM
Is that an Epiphone "Dot" in the "Maple Family" photo in your album?
If so... I own one, too...did not like the pickguard so I removed it, then had it fitted with a bone nut and all the pots and caps swapped out for the best quality Gibson parts. Now it plays and sounds like a friend's Gibson ES335...when I play it, which is only about once a year...

I looked at one of their "Elitist" line Dots, but it was way over my budget considering how seldom I pick up an electric guitar.

I tried to sell it and had lots of Looky-Lou's, but no takers. It has a very mellow sound, but I find that I prefer the gutsy, growling tone of my cheap solid-body Epiphone LP knock-off better.

Cheers!!

Dugly 8)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 15, 2015, 02:19:08 PM
Thanks Dugly!
Here's 2 pictures that show the different neck/head transition. Both have a diamond volute.
First the D-30-SN with edges on the side:
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-15%2020.34.39_zpstleoorxx.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/2015-11-15%2020.34.39_zpstleoorxx.jpg.html)

And my D-20-S with a rounded transition:
[(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-20%20SN/2015-11-15%2020.33.14_zps5hhsa4r3.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-20%20SN/2015-11-15%2020.33.14_zps5hhsa4r3.jpg.html)
(Tuners on D-20 are not original)

I saw the edgy version on some guitars that were identified as yamaki on this forum. Anybody knows the history on this?

On the other hand, I was wondering if the D-30 can be from 1979 with those tuners.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 15, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Is that an Epiphone "Dot" in the "Maple Family" photo in your album?

It's an Epiphone Sheraton II, from 1988 I think. I don't play it anymore, it's very heavy and I'm not interested in playing electric at the moment. A nice guitar though, but it would need a good setup finally.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on November 17, 2015, 06:00:10 PM
Hey  :)
I'm coming back to the production year. Somehow I’m not sure with 1979.  :-\

I scrolled through a lot of photos. Look at those washburn branded chrome tuners, to me they are not late 70’s but I might be wrong also.
What I found on the forum:

D30 S (SECOND VERSION)
- Southern Jumbo style, solid cedar top, round soundhole, tortoise pickguard, bound body, three-stripe purfling, five-stripe rosette, bird´s-eye maple back/sides, mahogany neck, 14/20-fret rosewood fingerboard with pearl dot inlay, rosewood bridge with pearl dot white pins and bone saddle, bird´s-eye maple peghead veneer, three-per-side chrome diecast tuners, available in Natural finish, mfg. 1985-1994.
Grading 100% Excellent Average
N/A $350 - 400 $200 - 250
Last MSR was $750.

In Jim Smith’s collection there’s this D-30 S (second version) which looks exactly like mine:
http://www.vintagewashburn.com/Acoustic/Jim%20Smith%20photos/Page%202/Washburn%20D-30%20S%20%7B2nd.%20version%7D.jpg
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/Compare/Washburn20D-3020S202nd_20version_zpsdgahgvkx.jpg)

Mine surely doesn’t match with this D-30 S (First version, Dreadnought, 1977-1981):

(http://www.vintagewashburn.com/Acoustic/Jim%20Smith%20photos/Page%202/Washburn%20D-30%20S%20%7B1st.%20version%7D.jpg)

I also compared my guitar to this one from BIKERDAVE:
http://forums.washburn.com/index.php/board,8.0.html
I couldn’t find any difference!

Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: YerDugliness on November 18, 2015, 02:28:08 PM
Yours certainly does not have the square shoulders commonly associated with dreads...washburn's "Southern Jumbo" is a slope-shouldered dread. Yours certainly has the V-head as shown on the second version...not the Martin-style head shown on the first version.

Ship is very knowledgable about the Washburn vintage items, so I hope he will correct me if I'm wrong, but I usually associate the Martin-style head with Beckman products.

I would not put too much stock in the tuners...many musicians change out for upgrades on that item.

Whichever it is...it's definitely a keeper and compliments the others in your collection!!

Cheers!!

Dusky 8)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on July 23, 2016, 04:23:40 PM
I found this today, for the detail interested, a funny mix of styles:
https://reverb.com/item/2533930-washburn-d-30-s-1991-spruce-birdseye#&gid=1&pid=1 (https://reverb.com/item/2533930-washburn-d-30-s-1991-spruce-birdseye#&gid=1&pid=1)
Washburn D-30 S (said from 1991), it looks like the known "base" model like mine (& bikerdave's) D-30 SN, with the following differences:
- Snowflake inlays on fingerboard (we have silver dots)
- Headstock veneers is Rosewood (we have birdseye maple)
- Heelcap cream coloured with "W" logo (we have dark wood)
- Rosette is b/w plastic (we have wood stripes)
- Pickguard looks like the one on my D-20 S (we have unicolour with transparency)
- Rounded Headstock/Neck transition, not the edgy type as on mine
- To me, the top looks more like Spruce, but not sure (we have Cedar)
Most striking I found this:
- Headstock inlay "Washburn" & a similar symbol as on 80s SW models (we have only golden print logo)
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq3/soundflix/Washburn%20D-30%20S/Compare/png2pjuovkcfo8m2vcuq_zpsijyeefcw.jpg) (http://s428.photobucket.com/user/soundflix/media/Washburn%20D-30%20S/Compare/png2pjuovkcfo8m2vcuq_zpsijyeefcw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: ship of fools on July 25, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
It is possible that I might have been wrong but you have to remember that the Yamaki builds only lasted for s it the old slot ao long before they moved from Japan and because of the obvious Yamaki features well it has to have been built and also the size.
As for your intonation problem well it could be a fairly simple fix believe it or not by having the saddle re-positioned ( filling in old slot and having a new one cut at the right angle ) with a new saddle made I doubt that little gap with effect the intonation. ship
The move from Japan to Korea was done in the mid 80's and they did not do the Voloutes
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on January 12, 2018, 02:00:40 AM
Hi all!
Here is a recording that I recently made with this guitar:
https://soundcloud.com/tonflix/arc-et-senans-john-renbourn-cover (https://soundcloud.com/tonflix/arc-et-senans-john-renbourn-cover)
Enjoy!

Be aware that processing has been applied to the recording.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: Stuart Harrison on January 15, 2018, 07:21:11 AM
Hi Mapleflix.
I have a F-30-SN which I bought 2nd hand in the early 90's.
Mine has the same headstock join as yours, though mine has a closer grained solid cedar top.
As I recall, mine's late 80's.
My serial no is 71172.
I'd say from yours that the first two digits will give the date (92) - they obviously used a different system when they made mine.
As I walked round the guitar shops in Denmark St, London at the time (early 90s) there were a lot of guitars using bird's eye maple bodies or tops (or fake transfers)
Mine looked a lot prettier and mature.
It was the best i could afford and was the nearest to a Martin 150th anniversary 000-15 all mahogany I tried and loved.
Mine's more a 000 body size - sweet and warm sounding.
The cedar top has looked beautiful from when I bought it.
Always had that rich colour.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on January 15, 2018, 04:27:29 PM
Hi Stuart,
very interesting. you say yours is an F-model?  8)
could you post a picture to compare some details?

as for the serial, I think it's looks like the same system, mine being from 1989, yours from 1987.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: Stuart Harrison on January 16, 2018, 04:30:37 AM
I'll take some pics and try to get them posted here today.
The F (folk) model was about a 000 size guitar.
Looks and sounds very sweet at that size - great for recording.
Thanks for the help on dating - I remembered it being from about 87 but couldn't remember where I got that from.

Washburn must have gotten hold of a lot of bird's eye maple because I remember seeing it all over their guitars in the early/mid 90's.
Didn't seem as good though and other makers started doing bad photo-transfer fake bird's eye maple (before switching to bad fake PRS type flame tops).
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: Stuart Harrison on May 01, 2018, 04:17:45 PM
Sorry - I forgot to post these.
Hopefully these links will work;
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Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: Stuart Harrison on May 01, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
(https://s31.postimg.cc/xgsloscpn/P1000410.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g3ib9xhef/)upload images (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://s31.postimg.cc/5571r7id7/P1000408.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5upu3kiwn/)

I'll take some better pics soon
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: MapleFlix on May 01, 2018, 04:45:46 PM
Thanks Stuart, our guitars are perfect siblings, i can match all details, apart from the body shapes!
(Slope shoulder dreadnought <> 000/Folk)
I'd really like to hear them side by side..
Those F-models, like yours, are really rare.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: SirJohnPaulMcDeath on January 06, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
Is that an Epiphone "Dot" in the "Maple Family" photo in your album?

It's an Epiphone Sheraton II, from 1988 I think. I don't play it anymore, it's very heavy and I'm not interested in playing electric at the moment. A nice guitar though, but it would need a good setup finally.
Hi.John here.Why is it that my d-30sn doesn't have a serial number on the head-stock?Is that normal?The number inside is 382
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: SirJohnPaulMcDeath on January 06, 2019, 04:33:24 PM
Can anyone tell me why my D-30 SN doesn't have a serial number on the head-stock? Is that normal?The number inside is 382.
Title: Re: D-30-SN (cedar/bird's eye maple)
Post by: Tony Raven on January 06, 2019, 05:00:45 PM
(Damned software ate my post...)

I have a couple of electrics from the same era, & their numbers are typed on small strips of white tape, affixed to the back of the headstock. Not unusual that these fell off or were removed at some point.

Any numbers written on wood are control numbers for the component (neck or body assembly) & say nothing about the finished instrument.