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Title: Grover locking tuners on PXL10EC
Post by: Swilki on March 24, 2017, 05:51:35 AM
Hi all.
Just thought you might like to be aware that the advertised locking tuners on the PXL10EC are in fact not locking but just standard 18:1 Grover tuners. I have asked customer service as to why the washburn website says they're locking when they're not but received no reply... Bit annoyed as love locking tuners but I love the rest of the guitar so won't send it back. Didn't have opportunity to try one first but had to order on internet.

Don't know if this is a general trend across parallaxe guitars but may be..
Title: Re: Grover locking tuners on PXL10EC
Post by: WEBgUy on March 24, 2017, 09:42:42 AM
That was a mistake in the specs on the website that has now been corrected. Sorry for the confusion. Most fixed bridge Washburn Parallaxe guitars will have the standard Grover 18:1 tuners.
Title: Re: Grover locking tuners on PXL10EC
Post by: evan47 on September 16, 2017, 06:45:49 AM
This has me a little concerned too as I have just bought a pxl10ftbm which was advertised as having locking tuners too.
The units on my model are simply stamped with grover and 18-1 on their backs but, when inspecting the front of the headstock the tuner post have minimal winds around them which is what I would expect locking tuners to have.
Also, my model is advertised as having phase reversal on its volume pots when, in reality it has coil taps instead.
I am not overly bothered by this but would like to know which of the tuners I have so I know what to expect when it comes to restringing.
The guitar is great though. Excellent to play with its slim, wde, satin finish smooth join neck and its seymour duncans give a wonderful palette of rock tones which can be tamed rather well with the coil taps and volume controls.
I wasnt sure as to what to expect with the feiten tuning system but normal open tuning methods seem to work as they would on any guitar but, I have sourced a korg dt7 just in case I need it.
Title: Re: Grover locking tuners on PXL10EC
Post by: jwguitar on March 28, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
That's interesting because some of the guitars do in fact have locking 18:1 tuners.  I have a PXL20EWH and that has the locking tuners on them.  But I know that the washburn website at one point said that this guitar had a babicz full contact bridge and it has a standard tune-o-matic.
Title: Re: Grover locking tuners on PXL10EC
Post by: Tony Raven on March 29, 2018, 01:16:41 AM
Guitarists are pretty much gullible. Many believe that there is silver content in their "nickel silver" frets. ::) Of course, they probably also believe they can get lead poisoning from getting poked with a pencil... :(

The problem is that the term "locking tuners" has two meanings. Nowadays, people think of some sort of mechanism in the string peg that locks the string in place, preventing slippage.

But the term is much older, & I think originated with Grover. What THEY are referring to is an "anti-backlash" design of the gears, which greatly reduced the slippage of the basic worm-&-gear design. Per Wikipedia --
...if the lead angle is small, the gear's teeth may simply lock against the worm's teeth, because the force component circumferential to the worm is not sufficient to overcome friction. ... Worm-and-gear sets that do lock are called self locking, which can be used to advantage, as when it is desired to set the position of a mechanism by turning the worm and then have the mechanism hold that position. An example is the machine head found on some types of stringed instruments.

All Rotomatics are of this improved design, therefore all Rotomatics are rightly called "locking."