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Forum Tests / Re: Curiosity about this Bass
« on: May 15, 2018, 11:42:39 PM »
Welcome aboard! Sorry you won't hang around long, but we'll help out as best possible.

Firstly, put ALL notions out of your head that you've struck it rich -- a common delusion held by people who have never before owned a Washburn (or, often, a guitar). For instance, a prototype or one-off WOULD NOT have a series decal much less an engraved trussrod plate. It's from Red China, so fairly recent, as confirmed by the serial number (middle-2008, likely).

The "Aon" series seems to have been a short-lived experiment, though I have no idea what its purpose was; the only other model I can find in my notes was the AX3Q guitar (marked both as X Series & as AON) & that was only able to get $100.

The upper horn (ripping off Warwick) & the neck joint marks the AT16 as a Taurus variant. That tells me the "A" is a prefix attached before the prefix of another series.

Both appear to have been of decent quality, with some nice appointments, so possibly made up for some large retailer &/or for the months-long Xmas season, therefore never appearing in a Washburn catalogue or pricelist. Certainly not in the 2008 or 2009 catalogues.

Many Washburn models 1978-2018 have been short-lived, so that does very little to raise value; it's not uncommon that a fairly successful Washburn line had smaller production than the "limited editions" from other companies.

The AT16 will probably not be worth as much as a new T25 ($549) which has a thru-body neck AND active pickup system.

The problem with six-string basses is that most players who want a six-string bass tend to already have all they need. Main demand is for four-string, with a surprising minority graduating to five; most players find a six-string to simply be too heavy/bulky for regular stage use, therefore unnecessary expense. Overall, there's not a whole lot of demand, & those who want to try out a 6 can get a new Ibanez for as little as $300.

Still, you've got a very good instrument, apparently at a very good price. I hope you have many happy hours playing it. :)

Nope, not done yet with my fandom. 8)

Though presently asking $325, this is somewhat tempting. Oh, heck, I'll describe it first: a pre-Maverick "Billy T" (with BOTH series markings, yet) that looks a whole lot like a BT-2, & was Korea-made, & has original Grovers (unlike some of the pre-Mavs)

...but with gold hardware AND minibuckers.

The seller says its s/n begins with a 4, guessing it at 1994; he seems to know a little something about the model at least.

But what has me swaying is that the fretboard (which seller does say he oiled) sure looks a bit like ebony...  :o

Announcements & News / Re: Time for a break
« on: May 15, 2018, 10:18:39 PM »
Jim Smith Sr is like THE collector of Washburn guitars, & became discouraged when popularity (of the site & the brand) waned. He apparently returned at some later time & removed his farewell comments.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Washburn D-68 Made in the USA???
« on: May 11, 2018, 01:47:18 AM »
I've never understood the "USA" fetishism; I've had a few lovely old Harmony cr@pboxes tha were definitely domestic, & I enjoyed 'em for what they were... but, let's face it, they were NOT high luthiery. ::)

(Of course, "Made in Japan" went the same way.)

Nice to see the 68s -- certainly one of Washburn's finest production models ever. The three-piece back is perfect, but you had me at volute + multipiece neck. :o

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: Washburn Mercury MG30 Green
« on: May 03, 2018, 03:13:10 AM »
They're not particularly rare, a decent $250 guitar. There's just not a whole lot of market demand, & it seems that owners don't see there's any rush to sell.

General Discussion / Re: Gibson files Chapter 11
« on: May 03, 2018, 03:10:09 AM »
Actually, it's NOT a downturn time in the market. ;D Right this moment is a crest. My investments are all doing better than last December; my employer literally can't hire people fast enough, due to the low unemployment figures. This will likely result in a recession by 2020, but right now it's good.

Henry Juskiewicz over-expanded Gibson Brands into too many non-core areas like home audio, & now the bills have come due.

General Discussion / Re: is this worth $100 (stupid question)
« on: May 03, 2018, 02:58:10 AM »
Yah, one of my favorite Washburn series. :) I started a long thread about the Mavericks:,24556.0.html

It was previously the BillyT line, & here's why:,24572.0.html

Most models from BT-2 to BT-10 had a mahogany body. The scale is 24.75", so bending is wildly easy if you're more a Strat guy. ;) Almost all had stock Grover tuners (14:1). All in all, it's sorta like an SG but with a properly contoured body, especially the stoptail BT-2; in fact, I saw one with an aftermarket Bigsby. My experience thus far is that fit-&-finish of the BTs is at least Very Good, & no sharp frets. FWIW, I've got no complaints about the basic Washburn pickups from that era.

The cherryburst on the BT-2 varies wildly. On some it's quite pretty; others have earned the name "clown paint" because it's just garish yellow surrounded by garish red. It might be the most-common color on that model, too.

I'd argue it's the most undervalued Washburn series. If I was just going to go by Blue Book valuation, I'd put a clean BT-2 at $150-$200. However, right now you can probably walk into a Guitar Center or Music-Go-Round & spot one for $100 or less.

So, if you want to back up your LP with a great little axe, one that'll likely not LOSE value even if you put some miles on it, then $100 is very decent.

The J6 was available 1989-2004, in Natural finish or TSB.

It's always possible someone submitted a special order. As well, a short run could have been issued through a particular retailer.

The owners of the Washburn brand have never been particularly good about record keeping, so there really hasn't been a reliable way for anyone to dig up actual build data.

(Of course, the Custom Shop kept track, but there we're talking maybe a thousand instruments a year rather than millions. Washburn's contractors (like Samick) have probably been meticulous, but probably nobody asked them to send over the files. Washburn's Customer Service was apparently pretty good until 2012 or so.)

About the only way remaining to proceed would be to find someone who owns an actual J6-TWR, & ask them to send you a photo of the soundhole label. Maybe there'd be some notation on it as to whether it was a special run or custom order (a handwritten serial number can be a tipoff). Or, heck, you could just buy the guitar. ;)

General Discussion / Re: used Washburns on the market
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:56:29 PM »
I stopped by MGR in hopes of spotting a particular off-brand model. No luck there, but (naturally) I had to check the Washburns. (This being MGR, remember to add $55 for s/h, with less being unusual.)

Looks like a Washie fan has left the fold. The Natick store has an interesting pair: a Dan Donegan DD-61 ($200) AND a matching WI-63 ($200).

They also have a DD-60, $160.

Though above my usual pricerange, at $540 this N-61 is something seen much less than the usual "Nuno" models, so I'd consider it a bargain for those so inclined.

A rather lovely (& obviously loved) J-9, with HSC, just $400.

You don't see many of these: an RR-150 solid-body electric-acoustic (separate piezo output), $380.

Nice chunky J-3, down to $338.

Maybe a little steep, but a well-kept G-10V (w/Wonderbar) in HSC, $330.

The next they call an "X-50 Pro." I think they're idiots.  :)  Though there certainly were a dozen (at least!) pricier variants on the X-50, I'm moderately certain none of them had either a rosewood fretboard or HeadHunter pickups. Still, $200 buys a good straight-up guitar.

Looks like the KC-70V is at a $200 plateau.

The X series was vastly underrated; I bought an X-10 for cheap & was overall quite pleased. Was it an X-11 that had the "flaming skull" graphic? In any case, a reasonable example for just $110.

X-30, $120.

If you'd like to try seven strings, this X-27 is pretty painless at $100.

A black "Pop Top" vee, $150.

Difficult to argue the simplicity of the G-1V, especially for $100.

This MG-43 is one of the few Washburn s-s-s models, basically a 24-fret Strat with Rose, $200.

In 40 years, Washburn has almost entirely avoided doing straight-out Fender clones, exceptions being rare Silverados, & the unjustly ignored Lyon Series & Shadow Series. The Shadows have been trickling in (note stock Grovers), here an hss WS-6 ($120) & an absolute bargain ivory (:o) sss WS-4 ($90). If you want a player for cheap, skip the Squires entirely.

Oh, dear, speak of the devil. The Lyon Series has been damned by name association with "Lyon by Washburn." Well, general ignorance gets a bargain: here's a black hss with skunk-stripe neck & maple fretboard (no Grovers, alas!), $80.

Speaking of Grovers, they do appear on this basic (albeit purple) MIK Mercury, $75.

The lower BT models are still not respected. This BT-2 may be developing a head split, but if I saw it I'd happily weasel them down from $70, pretending I didn't notice the tuners or the upgraded pickups... 8)

The one that tempts me tonight is a TB-100, from the VERY short-lived "Tabu" series, only $70 for HeadHunters AND black Grovers.

Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn Chicago USA - PB
« on: April 25, 2018, 02:52:16 AM »
Washburn serial numbers are not 100% reliable for dating, but if common wisdom holds up, yours was shipped in 2002.

Since the demise of, we're left with the sparse Washburn archives. ( The closest I can get is the 2001, in which the only P-style model is XB-100 "value priced basses."

Idol Series / Re: Help!
« on: April 25, 2018, 02:36:57 AM »
The inlays are distinctive. At first I wanted to say a WI-18, but those have no pickplate.

So far as I can determine, the only Idols with a pickplate like that were in the WI-64 family. The WI-64DL had a fancy top. I'm half-certain there was a variant on the DL, but can't find it in my notes.

General Discussion / Re: Lyon by Washburn LB-10 /SB
« on: April 25, 2018, 02:10:27 AM »
Last things first. :)

Is Lyon by Washburn the same as Washburn?
In the same way that a Squier Affinity is "a Fender." To the best of my knowledge, the Lyon brand was intended for large Canadian retail chains. Most models were produced for a limited time. Most models were basic, inexpensive guitars, with some exceptions: I own an LCT24 (like a double-cut Les Paul) that is rather nice & somewhat collectible; here's someone else's --

in which catalog could I read about this bass?
As a commodity brand, there'd be no catalogues, though there may be informational flyers for stores. There has never been a website for Lyon guitars.

I need help determining the year of production of this guitar. No serial number is available.
Without a serial number, there is no way to narrow down the production year. Generally, I only saw the Lyon brand around 2000 to 2005.

I only know that it's the LB-10 / SB model. in which catalog could I read about this bass?
It's an easy guess that "LB" stands for "Lyon bass." With such a low model number, it's likely the least-expensive Lyon bass, with probable retail price under $200.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Vintage Washburn Identify Please
« on: April 22, 2018, 12:44:06 PM »
Aside from fancy "presentation" models, very few L&H instruments have major value. At their peak, L&H cranked them out by the cartload, literally.

Being "commodity" instruments, most were used to death then parked in the basement or attic, with no maintenance at all. In my experience, good acoustic guitars eventually NEED to have their necks reset, & sometimes other work (pull up & reglue the bridge, reattach the braces, etc.).

The early "parlor-size" guitars were originally intended for gut strings; because of their short scale, they adapted moderately well to steel strings without collapsing the top or ripping the heel loose -- initially, at least.

And the adjustable trussrod hadn't been invented yet. Very few guitars had any sort of neck reinforcement at all. People who restore/upgrade larger guitars might add a trussrod & maybe rearrange the braces.

An acquaintance told me he'd paid $200 for a beat-up but playable L&H, planned on putting $500 or so into restoring it, & asked what it'd be worth. I said he'd have a pretty good $700 guitar. ??? Fixing a guitar is like building a hotrod: do it for the experience & to have a fun toy, because if you ever try to sell it you'll be lucky to recoup even the parts cost. Fixing a guitar for one's own use minimizes downside, & the value will likely remain stable for eventual trade/resale.

I wouldn't eBay the neck separately. So long as you don't misrepresent what you've got, there's probably someone who'll pay more for shipping to get a vintage"project" guitar.

I'm not a huge fan of insurance companies (though I actually did work at Prudential corporate for a few years & they treated me great). It helps to keep in mind that insurance "is a dirty, nasty, bloody business," not charity.

Like, if I spend $1,000 on a used car, & put $1,000 into improving it, then some moron totals it parked next to my house, it's unlikely I will get what it cost me OR what it'll cost to get a reasonable replacement, instead likely ~$500.

If I buy a nice old guitar for $100, & it turns out to be resellable for more like $2,000, it's on me to either move it along or to get something specific put in my house policy. If it gets stolen, my insuror (despite the "we love you!" commercials they constantly run on TV) will likely try to give me no more than what it actually cost me -- assuming I've got a receipt that bears the seller's still-valid contact information ::) -- & at that might try to apply some sort of depreciation to that $100. Or they might skip that whole chase, say I didn't have a steel door or high-tech security system or armed guards, & deny my claim outright

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: D100M/TWR
« on: April 22, 2018, 11:38:01 AM »
Yah, exactly: another "tale of the model number."
  • D-100: dreadnought; a D-10 with some nice details, built specifically for large retailers (Musician's Friend, right?)
  • mahogany veneer (plywood) top
  • transparent wine red finish

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