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Classical Series / 1994 SBC 70 solid body classical/electric HELP
« on: April 25, 2015, 09:59:53 AM »
PLEASE GO OVER TO THE GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM TO VIEW ALL THE PICTURES OF THIS Washburn SBC 70 GUITAR. AND INFO. LOOKING FOR SOME HELP WITH INFO. THANKS

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Ok I have posted a handful of pictures and more info over on the GENERAL DISCUSSION part of this forum. If you will check out the pics of my SBC-70 maybe someone can help with some questions.
Thanks for your interest.

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PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS POST TO CATCH UP. SOME SAY IT DOESNT EXIST. ONLY 2 WASHBURN DOCUMENTS MENTION IT. I will post a pic of both. Ive been searching for over a year and cannot find anything. if someone can shed some light that would be great.

Its very high quality craftsmanship, no details overlooked. Solid mahogany neck thru body, solid spruce top. All gold hardware right down to the cover screws and strap buttons. Neck is stout and has a "scarf joint" or "Spanish Luthier's Joint" between neck and peg head (you can see in one of the picks) which is absent on all the other Washburn solid body classical guitars. The finish is mesmerizing and the color of the top is a vibrant yellow/gold, not cherry sunburst like one document says, or natural like the conflicting document say. I know its this model because the serial number starts with 94 and that's the only year it was attempted to be manufactured, by the statement on the one document.
I have search everywhere on the guitar, but besides the Washburn logo and serial number, no other marking exist. the best feature of the body is the dark rosewood? binding around the front edge. Its radiused instead of a sharp edge. It separates the colors brilliantly. Ill give some more info shortly'

It has no scuffs, dents, dings, or scratches. The finish is incredible. I cant find the latin American gentlemen I purchased it from last year to try and get more info.
if you have any more info on this model please let me know.



























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Hey Tony. I read your reply last night after I submitted the response to Dugliness. Thank you for helping. I actually came across the pic taken from the bay site from last year of the guitar, when I did a Google search under "images" for Washburn solid body classical guitars last night. I went to photobucket like Dugliness said and uploaded several images, including that one. It was a challenge with an iPad mini. But I cannot get it to this reply box, until I get to my wife's PC. I do not do much with a computer, and Ive learned this ipad is very limited with some operations. And this is the first forum I've ever joined.

So I double checked, and if you type "New Listing Washburn Solid Body Classical Guitar (very rare)" in the search box, under Images, it's the very top left pic, on here anyway. He has it suspended on a column inside his house. Oh and it's next to a pic of an SBT-21 candy apple red. That's sweet.  That is the pic that I saw on ebay. I will take some pics today and try to get them on here when I get to a REAL computer.

Tony you mentioned the Mirage/SB. That is exactly the 1991 I found to gig. It's the Mirage Classic DL SBC-20 in the catalog. I saw 1991 was the final year.  It's got a small body, still good and weighty, but nothing like the size of the SBC 80 though. Then it seems they gave up on solid body classical guitars. I saw the 1993 catalog where the SBF 80 was just getting cranked up. But it skips the catalog for 1994. Now the SBC 70 does appear to resemble the SBF 80 a bit, in classical form, if I could guess it seems to me that maybe they tried to bring back a solid body classical along with the emergence of the SBF model (Solid Body Folk) steel string, then decided to bail out from solid body classical guitars altogether. A hick up maybe. They've sort of all disappeared since, like you said, not much interest. I'm probably the only crazy guy player actually still interested. In shows I like to be mobile on the move, and the thin body makes it possible to play and sing while walking around. I'm only 5'9 and 160 lbsThe thin electric/classical hollow body's of recent like my EACT42 works, but there's nothing like playing something that's solid and has some weight to it. It just feels better. Like walking with a Les Paul.

Now to your other question, why the dilemma for me?
OPTION A.   If I keep it and gig it, I was looking at updating the electronics. I'm an LR Baggs fan from way back, they a great classical bridge pickup system, that give the treble strings a little more punch and high end. One problem I see with both solid bodies, the nylon treble strings die off a little too soon
and get lost a bit behind the EAD strings. My guitar guy here in Columbia is a great builder and can retro fit the electronics to facilitate the swap. Of course it will no longer be original. And there again I just want a rig that suits my needs, I'm not a collector. It's got a great feel, to good to sit at home. And I quit recording some years ago.

OPTION B.  I do appreciate fine guitars, and consider all guitars equal in respect, whether it's a $250 rig or a $2000. I've always cared for mine. So I know there are some that like to collect obscure models for their enjoyment, and I'm down with that. Old obscure motorcycles are my thing, I have 5.
So if someone out there would benefit from it for that reason, I would rather they enjoy it in its original form. I'm with you Tony, I think I gave him $375 for it, and to me personally no matter  the condition or "rarity" of it, it's only worth about that, and then only if I can take it to work. (I've actually never used that word myself either, buying old motorcycles that are advertised Rare or Antique usually means an inflated price tag). I can put it out there for maybe someone that can add it to their collection.

So I will just give it some thought I reckon', I guess just because I'm attracted to obscure stuff, not necessarily collectable, that makes me even ponder this. Good Night!! I got fields to work on my farm for Petes sake!! We've had so much rain, my corn looks awesome, should be a good year.

Oh yea Tony, I saw the SBF 80 for sale, there is a natural one  $595, and a black one in not so great shape. Now that's what I'm all about. It's only $300, bindings turned yellow, scratches, I would love to gig that one. Black looks great under colored spot lights! I might even would consider selling the SBC 80 to pay for that. I know its a steel string, but I could use in the show. I don't have a solid body acoustic hybrid since I sold that Hamer USA Duotone to that collector in Texas, but was recently looking at the Taylor T5, and the Gibson Chet Atkins models like Travis Tritt andthe late Keith Whitley used. Too much money to gig them.  I'll try and get some pics on tonight.



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Hey I'm back home. Thanks for your reply! I'm really not a collector by any stretch. I'm really just a player, and probably not great at that. I started singing and playing in bars and truck stops in Charleston, SC at 14, in the early 70's. You could get away with a lot back then. No harm, no foul. It was all good times. I got exposed to Washburn and Hamer guitars in the mid 70's and have been a fan ever since. I always said if I would have made it big, I would have endorsed Washburn. Ha Ha! Well I made to Modesto California in 1983 as a front man singing, but  I'm afraid the drugs and hospital ended that dream. All said, now at 52 I have a farm back in SC,  a wife and two beautiful kids, and living the REAL dream; being satisfied with what you wind up with.
     I had Had Hamer custom shop build me a Duotone model, solid body electric/acoustic hybrid in 2000, for $2000. It had large mop inlays, bound and wound, piezo bridge pickup and twin diMarzio hum buckers, with 2 stereo pickups. I could split the PA, run a Taylor sound out one side, and a Gibson LesPaul sound out the other simultaneously. What a sound! But after a year, I went exclusively Acoustic and put the Hamer USA in the closet. Took it out last year after 13 years, and put it on eBay because I wanted a Taylor Grand Auditorium. Little did I know but Hamer had just closed shop for good, 2 months before. I did notice there weren't any notable Hamers on eBay. So I put this virtually unplayed all natural finish custom USA on eBay for $1500 or Best Offer figuring I could get close. It didn't last but a few hours! And they never made a counter offer!! I was so happy!, till I found out why everyone took their Hamers off the market. Oh well, I wasn't upset. After all like I said, I'm a player not a collector. I still got plenty of pics at least.
      So on this SBC-70, as a player I just want to gig it. I have always taken care of my rigs, so that's not a concern. But I may feel bad if someone out there has been looking for this particular guitar, especially in this virtually unplayed condition anyways, and I'm just out there adding mileage to it. I did find a mint condition 1991 final year production of Washburn's SBC-20 solid body electric classical, to gig. It plays just as well, but nothing compares to the SBC-70's beauty and large body size for a solid body guitar. But I'm more than satisfied with the SBC 20. I think they made a number of these through a handful of years. I also got a standard EACT42 classical electric to gig as well.
    My other Washburn is a WG26SCE grand auditorium with. Solid cedar top. I changed the electronics over to LR Baggs  Anthem dual system with inside mic and bridge pickups. Also installed an adjustable bridge truss system inside. That allows me to lean the bridge one way or the other to change the action on the neck without disturbing the intonation setup by screwing with the truss rod.  When you adjust the mix for the microphone and bridge pick up to dial it in, it sounds incredible! LOTS OF LOW END if you want it. It has a fader to quickly adjust the mixture.
    So here is the only pic in existence of the mystery guitar, the one that was put on eBay. Tomorrow I will take some pics from different angles to get a closer look.
    Also, the serial number starts with "S", then 94-------. Not sure what the S represents. Maybe you may know. And I took the battery plate and controls plate off the back to try and locate the model. No luck. Because it's a solid body with no holes, there's no place for a label. The only marking beside Wasburn on peg stock, is the SN on back of peg stock. STUMPED...
       
       

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Last year I was looking on ebay for some of the older Washburn solid body electric classical guitars, just one to gig. Nothing to be noteworthy, just look decent and play well. After 35 years of playing I've always enjoyed working in classical guitars to the show. I play classic/new country mix. I currently have 4 Washburn guitars and 1 Taylor. So I see this new listing pop up for this  1994 Washburn SBC-70 solid body classical/electric, on the west coast. Based on the description, it appeared to be a Hispanic fellow selling it for his brother for some reason. It seemed he was saying it was un-played. Not much else. Asking $400. So I made an offer and he accepted. Then he sent me a message saying how much his brother had loved that one best, like maybe something happened to him. Then he sent me a list of records and musical works that his brother used this guitar on, as a studio musician for hire. So he wasn't saying it was u played, but only used for studio work. But I gotta say, when I got it it seemed like is was clear coated just yesterday, no scratches or dings. Perfect. I've never seen this combination of woods and transparent colors before. So it's never left the house. I found another one to gig. But does it reall exist? I've search months to get info. No pics on Wasburn sites, or images on Internet as existing. Just a small blurb in a Washburn vintage page. It was only made in 1994. My serial# starts with 94 so I guess that corresponds.  It's hands down the best classical guitar I've everplayed. Lowest action ever with no fret buzz, and fret board and frets are curved equal to an acoustic or electric neck. With current electrectronics, I can make it sound equivelant  my Taylor, yet with spec nylon strings. Which enables me to footswitch between a classical and acoustic sound. Should I gig it or not? And why is there no other info? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I can post pics if someone can help.

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Last year I was looking on ebay for some of the older Washburn solid body electric classical guitars, just one to gig. Nothing to be noteworthy, just look decent and play well. After 35 years of playing I've always enjoyed working in classical guitars to the show. I play classic/new country mix. I currently have 4 Washburn guitars and 1 Taylor. So I see this new listing pop up for this  1994 Washburn SBC-70 solid body classical/electric, on the west coast. Based on the description, it appeared to be a Hispanic fellow selling it for his brother for some reason. It seemed he was saying it was un-played. Not much else. Asking $400. So I made an offer and he accepted. Then he sent me a message saying how much his brother had loved that one best, like maybe something happened to him. Then he sent me a list of records and musical works that his brother used this guitar on, as a studio musician for hire. So he wasn't saying it was u played, but only used for studio work. But I gotta say, when I got it it seemed like is was clear coated just yesterday, no scratches or dings. Perfect. I've never seen this combination of woods and transparent colors before. So it's never left the house. I found another one to gig. But does it reall exist? I've search months to get info. No pics on Wasburn sites, or images on Internet as existing. Just a small blurb in a Washburn vintage page. It was only made in 1994. My serial# starts with 94 so I guess that corresponds.  It's hands down the best classical guitar I've everplayed. Lowest action ever with no fret buzz, and fret board and frets are curved equal to an acoustic or electric neck. With current electrectronics, I can make it sound equivelant  my Taylor, yet with spec nylon strings. Which enables me to footswitch between a classical and acoustic sound. Should I gig it or not? And why is there no other info? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I can post pics if someone can help.

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