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Well, the PS8500 is more than just the pups. The carve on the top is more pronounced for one thing. I believe the body is thicker. Ebony freboard, block MOP/Abalone inlays. Also, BSG has them put on Tone-Pros locking bridge and tail piece. And it comes with a hard case. There's other little differences that start to add up, but I don't have the details on all of it.

The price is getting high from the Korean shops. It's not just BSG's margin. I mean hell, look at the cost of the 7200. It's almost $800 for crappy pick-ups (and I mean really crappy), gotoh bridge (which in my experience are notorious for breaking strings), crap pots and a gig bag.

Right now, Boogie Street's looking at samples from the Indonesian Samick facility and the China facility that Washburn uses. But so far, they're just not ready to produce what BSG wants to sell. Indonesia's really close from what I hear though. That'll start bringing the prices back down.

And just for the record, the only thing I've done to any of my BSG imports, is I had one with EMGs, and decided to change them to passive humbuckers. But then again, balance that with the fact that my custom BSG imports are from before the Korean price hikes, so I only payed about a grand for them.

Don't get me wrong, $1775 is high for an import, but from everything I've heard, people says its the s***. Bottom line, if the standard body/finish is fine for people, then get it. All I'm saying BSG imports are always a huge cut above the stock.

Are you referring to the US models (PS9000/9200) or the import series (7000/7200)? Not that I have either one, granted, but there's going to be a big difference between the two. Especially since the import models come with Egnater pickups, which are just as bad IMO as the stock pups that come with Epi Les Pauls. They sound somewhat okay clean, but muddy when distorted.

If can afford it, Boogie Street Guitars ( has their own model called the PS8500. It's an all black, all mahogany Preacher with a Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge, and '59 in the neck. Everyone who's played one has said they rock! Eric even sent the prototype to Paul Stanley, who then chose to use it as his main stage guitar during the tour. They're running about $1775 I believe.

*edited to update price to actual value.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Boogie Street Instigator
« on: November 09, 2007, 01:30:05 PM »
Originally posted by Chaos Rex

Well I've seen this or another of BSG's Instigators on ebay. I think the asking price was around $1500 and it didn't sell. It's no doubt a quality guitar but it's still Korean made. I think it's a bit ridiculous of BSG to try and sell Korean guitars at USA prices. Most if not all of Washburn's Korean guitars go for under a grand in the big retail stores. In fact Washburn has a thousand dollar USA Idol I believe so how can anyone justify paying the same for a Korean guitar?

I'd say that would sell for around $500. But that's just my opinion.

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Actually, the Instigators never retailed above a grand, though some of the other guitars did.

The reason for the increased price is simple. USA Pups, ebony fretboards, non-standard inlays, higher quality flame maple tops that used on the normal Korean guitars, thicker bodies, etc. The general Korean production prices are rising steadily too, which is why both Washburn and BSG have been talking and doing protos at the Chinese and Indonesian facilities to see if they can get the same quality.

As to your question, Mellis, the first run on instigators was released last year as one of BSG's custom import runs. Rex is correct that they didn't sell nearly as well as the import Idol and D3 runs that Eric. I think that mostly goes to the body style. It's just too outside the norm for most people. Those who do own them say they play very well however. A good metal guitar.

The El Diablo bridge pup is very good in my opinion, but some find it a little too bassy. I happen to like it. It pairs very well with the '59 neck pup.

The BDM 69/96 truss rod cover is in reference to Eric's brother Brian D. McKenna who passed away in 96. That is not the standard truss rod cover on the the rest of the run I believe. Your boss's guitar is the proto-type as is marked on the neck.

You can e-mail Eric ( for more information, or ask around the BSG message board (, for more information.

Hope that helps.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Eye Candy!
« on: October 24, 2007, 07:51:11 AM »
Yeah, the Padauk Idol's rock! The only thing I had to change were the pups. I can't stand EMGs, so I put in some Bare Knuckle Warpigs.

The one that's back there behind Roon is Paddy #5. It has a wicked cool top, so th Boogieman chose to keep it.

Here's a pic of mine.

General Discussion / What's a good wireless system?
« on: October 23, 2007, 08:11:08 AM »
No problems brother. One thing to do after getting it, is I had to actually bring the unit down to about -12dB I think. Straight out of the box, it was actually louder than a wired system. But, they go through all of that in the manual. If you get one and need some help with it, just let me know.

General Discussion / What's a good wireless system?
« on: October 22, 2007, 10:11:44 AM »
I use a Sennheiser EW 172 G2 wireless system. No tone loss at all. They retail for $450 new from (so no tax & no shipping). My line-up looks like this:

Wireless -> Wah -> Pre-Amp (Randall RM4) -> FX Loop -> Pre-Amp -> EQ -> Power-amp (Randall RT2/50) -> Randall 2x12.

It does the job, and it's got great range. The only time I had a problem is another guy in the practice hall had the same unit on the same channel. Other than that, no issues what-so-ever.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Eye Candy!
« on: October 22, 2007, 10:06:31 AM »
Originally posted by lawnworker

4th picture down looks like one sweeet guitar.

The 4th picture down is a BSG Brutus Idol prototype. It's an import series idol, with the same body thickness, and carved top of the PI-70/80/90, but without the chambered body. I don't recall what the pick-ups are though. They may be different as well. It certainly is a beatiful guitar.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Eye Candy!
« on: October 18, 2007, 10:17:27 AM »
That first one is an HM-24V. It's a prototype I believe, and I believe that the gentleman in the picture (Roon) took it home with him that day.

Here's the link that he posted discussing the guitar.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Idol Talk.
« on: October 17, 2007, 09:23:09 AM »
Agreed, Ron. For the price point, including the WI-66, you just can't beat it. Like you said, on any of the imports, changing out the pots is a great idea (not to mention getting rid of the VCC). Luckily on the WI-66, all you have to do is change the pots, as you're already getting the Seymour Duncan pups in it.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Eye Candy!
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:44:27 AM »
That's a prototype import Idol. If you want some more information on it, go to, or contact Eric at Boogie Street (contact info on the web-site).

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / CB-400
« on: October 15, 2007, 11:08:47 AM »
I've had one for a short while, but have not witnessed the problem you're talking about. As far as storage, is it kept in a good climate controlled place? While it is a solid body acoustic, it still has areas that thin wood with nothing beneath. It could be humidity causing the problem.

Originally posted by JesperT

A bit off topic, but isn't he playing a Face Eraser but with Stephen's Extended Cutaway here? What model is that?

Anyone found a better solution to playing on the Face Eraser or similar guitars without getting a sore forearm? Sweatband doesn't seem like the perfect solution. I have an X50Pro and I was thinking I would ask my wife if she could sow me a small foam-pillow or something, lol [:D]

I always play with a sweat band on. It doesn't matter what guitar I play, I always get a rub spot on my arm that get's pretty bad if I'm not careful.

Originally posted by shaulin

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a degsin issue with Jon, it was more of a money thing
Washburn don't do very good promoting for their instruments, heck, even the website
isn't up to date. so sales might be better for him with ESP.

as for the songs recorded with a Washburn, they probably were...
on the oher hand, have you ever seen a clip of Disturbed with Donegan playing his Maya?

'06 Washburn Blackburst PI80
'04 Washburn X50 w/ Bareknuckle Pickups (Mule/Black Dog)
'04 Washburn WI64D w/ Bareknuckle Warpigs

Not on the washburn site, but video for Stricken off of Ten Thousand Fists shows Dan playing his Maya. And one of Washburn's pod casts was about the making of the Maya DD91, which was displaying on Harmony Central for a while.

It's always interesting to see how people's taste differ. Me, personally, I prefer the smaller, sharper cutaways from the Korean model. To each their own, I say![:D]

With either cut-away style, both seem to play very well. And one thing I've noticed on my HB-35 compared to a few Gibby hollow-bodies I've played, this thing does not feed back anywhere near what the Gibbies did.

General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Evil Twin Idol Players
« on: October 10, 2007, 08:43:40 AM »
I'm a fan of Nick. I think he's a killer guitarist, and I can't wait to hear his work outside of BLS.

Having said that however ... I'm not personally a fan of EMGs, and I can't bring myself to play a guitar with someone's personal logo sprawling across the body.

Having said THAT however ... the overall design that Nick came up with with the Washburn gurus ... incredible. The thick body and neck, the deep carve top, the bursted red version (both satin and gloss) look tremendous. Change out the pups and remove the ET logo from the body, and that's one hell of a guitar.

Now, Nick's partnered with BSG (as usual) to do some limited runs of Evil Twin guitars without the ET logo on the body, only the ExTx on the 12th fret. They still have EMGs, but pick-ups are easy to swap out. So one of those might be in my future.

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