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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB-40
« on: March 09, 2013, 05:33:47 PM »
Hey guys, I was just browsing the net for pics of my newly acquired 1981 Bass identical to the one above. It has Washburn on the top part of the headstock but certainly nothing on the rod cover. The cover seems genuine though has a porous kind of surface (same red) like it hasn't been top-coated.
I would load a pic of the cover right now but can't figure how, sorry.
The only reason I bought the Bass (which was in generally poor condition but looked easily restorable) was I own and restored a red wood-grained Mercury Series guitar. They are like brothers, lol.
The so-called LB40/Vulture came up pretty good with about 6 hours polishing and minor wiring repair. It has a few dings and clear-coat chips that i won't repair for the moment.
It sounds pretty damn good after I sorted all the adjustments and lowered the strings a fair bit. The neck's straightness is outstanding - i didn't adjust it at all (yet - maybe a small tweak after I play it for a while).
At 50 years I still play occasionally - moderate rock and, well, lotsa stuff.
So in a few weeks I'm testing it out on stage - sounds great to our funky type version of "VENUS".
No it's not for sale, sorry. But if pics will help anyone I'll send them to you.
Cheers from Australia, Carl

Can you please send me some pictures as well?  to mekentinc@yahoo.com would be great!! Thanks much!

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Old old topic here but have to resurrect it as I just stumbled across it googling stuff. I have been researching history, for years, for the SB-40 of 1981 and the SB-40EQ of 1982 (my favorite all-time basses altho there really is NO difference between them) and others made by Yamaki and Matsumoko for Washburn---you know, our favorite basses!  I see the I miscalled the identity of the posters bass!  It is NOT an early proto of the SB-40.

It is a B-40.  The 4 pots + 1 switch is the clue. 

ALL SB-40s came out in 1981 with 3 pots, 1 toggle and 1 mini-switch which is often called a phaser but in the Japanese schematics called "Resonance" which I think you can think of as slight harmonic  bite added to the tone.
The 1982 Wing series B-40 kept the 4/1 elec package altho Washburn also issued the changed Force-40 style B-40EQW and that one (as did all Force 40's) adopted the SB elec package of 3/1/1 and. The Force 40 series headstock introduced 4 in-line tuners which ended the Wing series and in 1982 included the first Force 40EQ, the Force 4, Force 8 and, of course, the B-40EQW. ( I have the catalog page). The Force 40's also had the 3/1/1 elec package of the SB-40. As usual, with Washburn we expect the unexpected so of course I found something to add confusion to all this. I have a magazine review of the "OTHER"1982 Force 40EQ. Yes, it has the Force headstock.  BUT it has a completely unique elec package of 4 pots/1 toggle/1 mini-switch (the old B-40 electrical configuration)!!! :o  Also came out with the Force 30 guitar (Strat copy). Funny thing is, this thing, the Force 40EQ, is sent out for review and, as far as I have ever seen or researched---never made it to market except in EXTREMELY small numbers.  I know the British reviewer got one and I have found a picture of a guy playing one---but thats it! The Force 40EQ that was actually mass marketed was the SB40 3/1/1 package as the ad shows.  But I have a great photo in the magazine for this 4/1/1 Force 40EQ.  If anyone EVER comes across one--GRAB IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway:
1980  B-40 Wing Series with the Vulture II electrical package, B-20 Stage basses begin along with the 8-string B-20-8 Stage bass
1981: same along with the new SB-40
1982: the Wing series SB-40EQ (same as the '81 SB-40), the Force-40 styled (U)B-40EQW(/U), the Force 40EQ,  Force 8 and Force 4, the B-20 Stage Bass and the cheaper B-5 Stage bass introduced (Scavenger,Vulture I and II still being sold),
1983: Wing series B-40, Force series B-40EQW, the regular Force 40 begins, Force 4's and 8's and B-20's/5's (Vulture I and II still being sold as well) 
1984: B-40EQW, Regular Force 40's, introducing B-20 and B-5 Stage BBRs and Force 40 BBRs and Force 8 BBR (single pup)--BBR'd completely: body, neck and headstock --only in 1984.
1985: last year for the B-40EQW, Force 40, Force 4+8 and the only BBR is the Force 8 BBR which is NOT BBR'd on the maple fretboard neck--so its a partial BBR.
(There are other lower valued Washburn basses in these but I am concerned only with the SB+B40 history. Email me if you want to know)
If anyone ever come across more info to change this, PLEASE let me know. There are still plenty of surprises in trying to unearth the lost history of this period's basses I am sure I personally am at mekentinc@yahoo.com.  I have not included my guitar info---just basses here.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: The Washburn Vulture II Bass
« on: February 02, 2013, 06:01:10 PM »
Model B?  Why is it a "B"?  Please post picture!  May be another piece of history regained! The Daion difference sometimes is noticed in the headstock, with the top of it a bit different. and slanted a bit downward to one side.  Close comparative look-see between a late model  and a younger model  is the only way to tell---maybe! Sometimes you just cannot. SN might be of help. 

Also, in Japan the Vulture II was sold in ads as "SB-50" with the color of it after the number.  E.G. SB-50CS----which ireignome pointed out is no doubt "Cherry Sunburst)
Also note reference to SB-40's at left bottom.  The search for history takes strange turns and makes MORE WORK, dang it!  AGAIN--DANG THAT VULTURE IS A BEAUTY!! AND THAT YAMMIE TO THE LEFT IS A REAL SWINGER TOO.  I WANT THEM BOTH. :'(

Now is that not weird! 

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Thanks, irie

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB-40
« on: February 02, 2013, 05:39:43 PM »
Hi------old post but gotta bring it back up------more research shows the gorgeous bass with 4 knobs and 1 toggle is a B-40!!  A B-40.  Wish I had it. Am jealous.  :)

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I just put this up over at TALKBASS a few days ago.  Some of you may have noticed my strong interest in the history of the SB-40 bass and I have spent literally years trying to sort out the history of this wonder bass.  Below is what I have found so (I have an amazing array of pictures and SNs on this). As more info is found, any corrections  and additions will be posted/edited into this continued gathering of info.  Below is what is currently sorted out:

"OK, here’s a partial history I have not put up previously---pretty exciting and not the end of the story yet. The missing links are many advertisements, catalogs and brochures from 1979-1982 that would finally solve everything. They are really mostly missing. From 1983 onward they are mostly findable. The next lines should make clear an evolutionary path.
OK, the SB-40 and B-40 appear in history at about the same time in 1979  as far as being designed and manufactured as new 1980 basses. These two basses ended the "classic hollow body" shape used by the Scavengers and Vultures I and II. They brought in the "modern" or "catch-up" body phase for Washburn. They did keep the 2x2 tuners to remain in the WING series.

1.The B-40 (known in Europe as LB-40 for some {I am sure} stupid reason) with 4 knobs and 1 toggle switch appears to be a dead end branch of evolution, altho I cannot find an end date for them. The latest I can find is a 1982 Rudy Sarzo ad with a B-40. So the lifespan parallels the SB-40. So any other Washie with 4 knobs and 1 switch could claim SOME kind of kinship with the grandaddy B-40. It may even be that the B-40 INSPIRED
2.the SB-40 which comes out with 3 knobs and 2 switches(toggle and mini) as perhaps a bit more sophisticated for 1980-1982 (the SB-40EQ appears to be introduced 1981): to be followed by SB-40, (not B-40), look-alikes and with same electronics of 3/1/1 except that the headstock was changed to 4 in-line and thus closed the Wing Series era and entered the Force series.


So the SB-40 of 3 pups/2 switches elec pkg (the B-40's 4/1 elec pkg is dropped) then continues success by morphing into

a. FORCE-40EQ + EQW in 1982 along with the final SB-40s NOTE: I JUST FOUND OUT VIA EBAY SB-40EQ WAS ALSO MADE AND SOLD IN 1982--WOW PICS POSTED WAY DOWN THE THREAD--and then
b. B-40EQ +40EQW in 1983 I have ads for them.
c. drop the EQ/EQW to be a regular FORCE-40 in 1984 which had a long run of success

So, to recapitulate, The Scavengers and Vultures along with their body shape are like the old cars on the road because they were still produced until, at least, 1981-1982.

The B-40 and (notice they just added on an "S" to show cousinry in this "new-to-Washburn" shape) SB-40 ushered in the "modern" body style together for Washburn if you want to call it that, since Fender  pretty well knew it was cool since 1951 and it took Washburn all that time to get on board!

Next step is I must get into the Library of Congress Patent Office and drag out some info to further NAIL THIS STUFF DOWN!  NOTE BBR Force series has the same 3/2 elec pkg of SB-40 also"


Please note that the B-40 was proto-typed and also (in limited numbers)sold by Daion for Washburn. Daion fans will argue that point. I am looking for evidence that the SB-40 was also originated for Washburn with Daion --but so far nothing. If anyone has info on that, please let me know.  That is a missing piece of the puzzle as well. BTW I am MEKer on Talkbass as well.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: The Washburn Vulture II Bass
« on: January 25, 2013, 09:19:50 PM »
1. OK, It is NOT a Scavenger. Scavengers had only a single split-P . They did have the jack on the front. ANd a plate with the serial number and word "Scavenger"on the back heel.  If anyone has one without the plate/SN/Name  I'd like to know and add a picture to my collection. Also, just so you know, Washburn often DID NOT put a serial number or a name on their instruments (or even the wrong name sometimes)---factory mistakes in QC, but that is all it is.  You can always tell what is what by the electrical package in 99% of the cases.

2.The Vulture I has one pick-up, 2 knobs and jack on the side.

3.The Vulture II has 2 pups, jack on the side EXCEPT for this one! And I have pictures of several Vulture II's!  So this one is intriguing as all get out. I think the year of production may be the difference for the change.  But it IS a Vulture II and I'd like to know the SN and hence the year!
Also note the darker wood line in the middle of the front---typical Vulture II as well.  If your SN is 1978'ish I would even suspect your Vulture as being a Daion proto-type made for Washburn---but not sure.  Remember there is some evidence Daion made some early models for Washburn and the headstock would say Washburn also and they were then in fact sold as a Washburn---which in effect they were for all purposes.. What is the material of the truss rod cover?

The "classic hollow-body" shape used for Scavengers and Vultures changed to the more regular (standard Fender Precision shape) B-40 in 1980 although the Scav and Vulture continued production, from what I can find out, to at least 1982 and maybe :-\ '83.  Some source called PGB198 posted a picture of an early "proto" production SB-40 and called it a 1981 Vulture II.   >:(  Of course that is as wrong as can be!   But in the first place, they (SB-40) came out with the initial 1981 model  WITH THE TRUSS ROD COVER SAYING "SB-40" right from the start. They never sold an SB-40 without its model designated on the truss rod cover as they did with the B-40 and Vultures.  That is a common error in mixing up a Vulture with an SB-40----boy I'd like to know how THAT happened as I have been with SB-40s from the beginning of them.

I have collected data and photos for over 20 years on this---tough task. I am now going to see if I can pull documents from the Library of Congress patent office. Too many mysteries since Washburn threw out all records prior to 1988.   BTW---that taken-apart trashed Bass a few posts above (I hope its able to be saved) appears to be a modded B-40.  Washburn NEVER made a bass with 2 mini-switches like that back then. It is a typical B-40 4 knob/1 big switch layout.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: The Washburn Vulture II Bass
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:40:36 PM »
Vulture II

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn Vulture Bass
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:37:21 PM »
Picture please!!!!!  I'd like t see if its a Vulture.  Lots of mis-information out there.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB 40?
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:33:20 PM »
No!  You have a B-40!  I don't know why so many refer to your bass as a Vulture bass which are totally different animals, nor are Vultures like the SB-40.  Both the Vulture I and Vulture II  followed off the old Scavenger design.  The Wing series regular B-40 (1980-1983) you own is a great bass and shared time with the  Force series B-40EQW which came in 1982 to share space the SB-40(1981) and SB-40EQ (1982). The B-40EQW model kept the SB-40 electronics--3 knobs+2 switches and are different only in that it has the Force 40 headstock and  whether or not the nut is brass or plastic---but they are basically equivalent to an actual SB-40!     EVEN STRANGER IN 1982 THE FORCE 40EQ CAME OUT AND LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THE Wing series SB-40 EXCEPT FOR THE Force series HEADSTOCK--SO IT  also shared space with THE B-40EQW.  DANG--I HAVE A HEADACHE NOW.
   SO in the end, in the confused Washburn manner back then, The SB-40 continued in the guise of the non-WIng series Force 40EQ and the B-40EQ/W, while the B-40 that developed and came out (but with 4 knobs and 1 switch) at the same time the SB-40 did, did not carry on as a B-40 at all---kind of like a dead end on an evolutionary tree.!.  What a strange,  knotty swirl-----jeez.



I own two SB-40s (1981 - 1982), one I bought late 1980 when they were introduced as a "new" 1981 model (like automobiles come out a few months early from their year). The SB-40 is different from your bass in that an SB has 3 knobs and 2 switches, but the same body style and came with DiMarzio pickups. That SB circuitry was carried on into the B-40EQ/EQW and Force 40 in 1982 which changed headstocks and thus ended the Wing Series. However, as you probably know---your bass (and the SB-40) are part of the WING series. The headstock is the first indicator as the 4 -in-line tuners started with the Force series.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB-40
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:55:47 AM »
BTW---I own 2 SB-40s.  They first came out as a 1981 mdl and hit the stores late 1980.  I bought my first then in LA, late 1980, sunburst and with creme pick-ups. I still have it. My second is a tobacco burst with black pick-ups.  SB-40's have 3 knobs and 2 switches and the truss rod cover say SB-40. They also have a separate battery compartment for 2 9V batts and the cavity covers are metal.  There are also some that say SB-40EQ on the truss cover (the 1982 SB model), but have exactly the same electronics/knobs/switches and werethe last year of SBs.  SBs are hard to find, I've have only located 6 in the last 30 years.  I've seen a lot of basses people think are SB-40's so its a common error.  I have seen people claim Vulture II's are SB-40----HUGE difference between the two. But gawd I love'em.

Your bass with the 4 knobs and 1 switch is, I think, even rarer than the SB-40s. It has a blank, wooden or plastic truss rod cover, yes?  I have seen about 3-4 like yours and the electronics of 4/1 is modeled off the Vulture II.  I have seen only one with the name on a truss rod cover which would solve the mystery, but it's too small to read. I have sent an email to please, please, please send me a picture of that truss rod cover. Its in Germany so hope to hell he does. He says its an--of all things--LB-40.  I have to assume he can read the darn name on his own bass, so have to assume its (and yours) is an LB-40.  DANG IT, I WANT TO SEE HIS HEADSTOCK!     I sure wish Washburn had kept their records--------!!!!!!!!! So there is another Washburn mystery I am trying to solve.
Sorry for the long post.  As I am trying to put together an authenticated history of the "confused years" 1978-1984, I'm digging up a lot but there are still major holes and I am seeking documentation on all of it.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Scavenger, no serial number
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:35:50 AM »
Savengers have knob-knob-input jack.  Also just learned they can be red like kennyjb's instead of just the black or white ones in the ads. The Vulture I's have knob--knob, with jack input in the usual place on the lower side.

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Wanted to add that the Scavenger has the jack input on the front of the body so its knob--knob--jack, the Vulture I has it  in the regular place so its knob-knob.  Scavengers I have just learned came in at least a red besides the black ones and white ones in the ads.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB-40
« on: February 05, 2012, 03:30:07 PM »
Hey can you post the headstock picture on that beauty?

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Scavenger, no serial number
« on: February 05, 2012, 03:24:44 PM »
Very possible you have a Daion as they made the proto-types for Washburn under contract and used the wing series headstock with the Washburn label, and made them in Waco, Texas.  But there would not be a truss rod cover name or SN on it.  Can you send me a picture.  Maybe I can get you a firm answer.I am collecting info to solve the mysteries of these early basses. I'll compare it to other info/pics I've accumulated.  Thanks, MEKer mekentinc@yahoo.com

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