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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 08, 2007, 09:54:10 AM
Ok - guys - I haven't picked up my husband's future new guitar but I will next weekend or the weekend after...  I'm so excited I can't stand it!!!  Now - I've heard about humidifiers and stuff for guitars - should I get one...  And if so, what should I get?  This is something else I know nothing about...  I just hope that my husband is as excited as I am about his guitar...  Oh, that's right - if he's not, I'll just keep it :)  

Right now I'm getting some of my mom's old music books for piano that I had started learning on many, many years ago before they had to sell the piano...  I figure if I can just get back into that and learn then I'll be able to do better with the guitar....

Title: Humidifier
Post by: RGG Music on December 08, 2007, 12:40:57 PM
Yes, you should get one.  Heating systems make the air extremely dry and can cause some mild to terrible problems.  A simple $10 Planet Waves humidifier can save you from all of that.

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Title: Humidifier
Post by: 1 Cal on December 08, 2007, 02:23:42 PM
vermonter16
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What Dave said above... and additionally
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You'll find good info about humidity and guitars here (http://www.taylorguitars.com/see-hear/)... and here's some info on using a guitar humidifier (http://www.taylorguitars.com/global/pdfs/guitar_humidifier.pdf).

Also... if you do a search for humidity you'll find about a years worth of solid reading (this forum is certainly where I learned about it thanks to Dreadman et al)! [;)]
Title: Humidifier
Post by: spark on December 09, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
Buy a soundhole humidifier like Dave said above.  I have a planet waves one that cost me 8 bucks.  I live in dry MN though and i also have home-made humidifiers.  These are simple sponges soaked in water that i put in mini tupperware with hole poked in the lids.  I keep one of those in the case along with the humidifier and does wonders.  Also, if you live in a dry region, you might want to wipe down the fingerboard with a cloth soaked in lemon juice everytime you change the strings.  Wood requires a lot of attention.
Title: Humidifier
Post by: Dreadman on December 09, 2007, 06:22:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by spark

you might want to wipe down the fingerboard with a cloth soaked in lemon juice everytime you change the strings.

Lemon oil. Lemon juice is very acidic and could damage the wood.

Dreadman
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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 10, 2007, 07:04:58 AM
Thanks guys!  Just as I was trying to finish up the message above my husband walks in and I'm like...close call.  Ok - a sound hole humidifier, I will check it out.  Yeah - our house is dry because of our heat pump in the winter time.  Can't wait to get to Vermont - we'll have nice radiant heat....so much better...
Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 10, 2007, 12:17:37 PM
Don't worry....no lemon juice - lemon oil :) and I have lots of that because I use it on all of our furniture, etc. at home.  Anybody have any other recommendations?  

I'm assuming the music store should sell some kind of humidifier...
Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 10, 2007, 01:09:20 PM
Anybody know anything about these?

http://oasishumidifiers.com/case.html
http://oasishumidifiers.com/original.html
http://oasishumidifiers.com/plus.html

(the humidity in most of our house is around 20 - 25%)

Title: Humidifier
Post by: Dreadman on December 10, 2007, 01:37:20 PM
20%-25% RH is dangerously low for any extended period of time. The wood will shrink and there will be potential for warping and cracking. 40%-60% is ideal.

Any humidifier will work but you need a digital hygrometer (inexpensive humidity measuring device). Make sure it's digital (more accurate and doesn't require calibration). The three approaches toward humidifying a guitar are:

1.) A soundhole humidifier that covers the soundhole (like a Dampit). This just humidifies the guitars body (where it's needed most). The guitar doesn't have to be in the case.

2.) A case humidifier (like Planet Waves & Oasis) humidifies the whole guitar but the guitar has to be in a case to hold the humid atmosphere.

3.) Humidify the whole house (or the whole guitar room) with an electric humidifier. More expensive but the guitar can be left out all the time.

Dreadman
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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 10, 2007, 08:14:29 PM
Thanks...  I'm weighing the pros and cons....how difficult should it be to figure out a humidifier...well - I think I make it difficult :)

We actually have a humidifier in one of the bedrooms but I'm not sure that would work where he is going to store it and I don't want to be necessarily bogged down with having to remember to fill it.

I know that when he is not playing it he will be keeping it in the case at least for the time being.  So I guess a case humidifier would be the way to go?  That's what I'm thinking...  If he cleans up his nice room that he keeps his nice things in then maybe he will get a guitar stand but right now - ain't happenin' :)
Title: Humidifier
Post by: YerDugliness on December 10, 2007, 09:08:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by vermonter16

Thanks...  I'm weighing the pros and cons....how difficult should it be to figure out a humidifier...well - I think I make it difficult :)

If he cleans up his nice room that he keeps his nice things in then maybe he will get a guitar stand but right now - ain't happenin' :)



Gotcha, Vermonter!!  When you were just getting acquainted with us, we never did mention that we take twisted pleasures in making the things that seem like they should be so simple into something incredibly difficult, did we?  Well, we can, and do, and have, and will, and.................

Oh, yeah--about those nice rooms, we're just bigger boys, and if you have kids you probably know how messy a male adolescent can keep his room and still manage not to catch some horrid disease.  Yeah, you're right, we don't change..........

At the risk of posting an incredibly long reply, well, all I can say is Somebody STOP Me!:

Why do boys need parents?
1.) A king size waterbed holds enough water to fill a 2000 sq. ft. house 4 inches deep.
2.) If you spray hair spray on dust bunnies and run over them with roller blades, they can ignite.
3.) A 3-year old Boy's voice is louder than 200 adults in a crowded restaurant.
4.) If you hook a dog leash over a ceiling fan, the motor is not strong enough to rotate a 42 pound Boy wearing Batman underwear and a Superman cape.  It is strong enough, however, if tied to a paint can, to spread paint on all four walls of a 20x20 ft. room.
5.) You should not throw baseballs up when the ceiling fan is on. When using a ceiling fan as a bat, you have to throw the ball up a few times before you get a hit. A ceiling fan can hit a baseball a long way.
6.) The glass in windows (even double-pane) doesn't stop a baseball hit by a ceiling fan.
7.) When you hear the toilet flush and the words uh oh, it's already too late.
8.) Brake fluid mixed with Clorox makes smoke, and lots of it.
9.) A six-year old Boy can start a fire with a flint rock even though a 36-year old Man says they can only do it in the movies.
10.) The fire department in Austin , TX has a 5-minute response time.
11.) Certain Lego's will pass through the digestive tract of a 4-year old Boy.
12.) Play dough and microwave should not be used in the same sentence.
13.) Super glue is forever.
14.) No matter how much Jell-O you put in a swimming pool you still can't walk on water.
15.) Pool filters do not like Jell-O.
16.) VCR's do not eject PB & J sandwiches even though TV commercials show they do.
17.) Garbage bags do not make good parachutes, nor do umbrellas.
18.) Marbles in gas tanks make lots of noise when driving.
19.) You probably DO NOT want to know what that odor is.
20.) Always look in the oven before you turn it on; plastic toys do not like ovens.
21.) The spin cycle on the washing machine does not make earthworms dizzy.
22.) It will, however, make cats dizzy.
23.) Cats throw up twice their body weight when dizzy.
24.) 80% of Women will pass this on to almost all of their friends, with or without kids.
25.) 80% of Men who read this will try mixing the Clorox and brake fluid.


You'll never go wrong with the one you've chosen [:D] !

Dugly [}:)]

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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 15, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
Ok - so I picked up the guitar (Alvarez MD95) today for my husband and it is just beautiful!!!  The owner played it for me some more at the store....man, how nice!  So I think the humidifier might be at my parent's house right now so should I wait to wrap this thing and put the humidifier in it?  Or do you think it will withstand a week at about 26% humidity?  I've got to do it this afternoon before he gets home.  I don't want to kill the guitar before he gets it but I know the humidifier won't last that long and will wear out of it's humidity in a few days since I'll be filling it the first time....
Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 15, 2007, 12:44:47 PM
Alright - I just picked up the Oasis humidifier I ordered and they sent me the wrong one.  I wanted the case humidifier - not the one that went in the strings.  But - I guess I'll have to keep this one, I mean it is still decent.  Anyone have any preference one way or another....I was so excited and now I'm just aggravated....ergh...
Title: Humidifier
Post by: RGG Music on December 15, 2007, 12:46:19 PM
Vermonter,  I'm not sure why you think your house's RH is at 26%?  That's not only dangerous for a guitar, but it's below the comfort zone for normal human life.  I think your skin would start flaking off at about 26!

You can't solve the problem until you know what the problem is, so you really should buy a hygrometer and then take it from there.  (any music store or even Radio Shack sells them).  

In my experience, pumping humidity into a room is a relentless and difficult job, but it's what I have to do.  Humidifying a guitar in a case is a whole lot easier.

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Title: Humidifier
Post by: RGG Music on December 15, 2007, 12:48:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by vermonter16

Alright - I just picked up the Oasis humidifier I ordered and they sent me the wrong one.  I wanted the case humidifier - not the one that went in the strings.  But - I guess I'll have to keep this one, I mean it is still decent.  Anyone have any preference one way or another....I was so excited and now I'm just aggravated....ergh...

Relax, that'll work just fine!


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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 15, 2007, 12:56:25 PM
Thanks Dave.....argh, I'm just frazzled.  Ok, when I turn the humidifier on in the bedroom it tells me what the humidity is and often times it's in the upper 20s...sometimes low 30s....

So, I'll go ahead and put this thing in the guitar and all will be well right ;)  I did get a hygrometer with it as well...so I'll let you know what it says...maybe I should just replace the batteries in our weather station ya think....
Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 15, 2007, 01:14:33 PM
One last comment.  I don't like spreading the strings apart like I have to do to put this humidifier in.  I think I'm going to break them or something.  I figure it will last a week without much trouble.  I guess I can always go ahead and install it in the case when I get the other one.  I'm returning this one Monday.
Title: Humidifier
Post by: Dreadman on December 15, 2007, 06:15:16 PM
Don't worry about the strings. That humidifier is just fine and maybe a little better as it discharges it's humidity right into the body of the guitar where it's needed most.

26% RH isn't too unusual. It's probably a sign that your home is very weather-tight. Any heater will dry the air and if your house is well sealed then outside moisture has a tough time getting in. My house (in NH) is in the 20's-30's all winter.

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Title: Humidifier
Post by: YerDugliness on December 15, 2007, 08:38:49 PM
Hey, Dread, how about answering a Q for this ol' Dugly?

I just checked my weather center and the humidity in the corner where my guitars all rest on their stands is 41%.  OK, that sounds like a safe level.

Would there be any detrimental effect if I were to put a humidifier into the body of the guitars?  What would happen if there were too much humidity, and what % relative humidity would be too much?

Thanks, Dread!

Dugly [8D]

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Ready to retire and age disgracefully!!!

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Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
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Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 16, 2007, 11:00:46 AM
It looks like the living rooms where the guitar is wrapped and near the tree is running at approximately 45% humidity.  I think this is because we have a live tree and a giant bowl of water...does this make sense?  I know the humidity is not that high normally.  Upstairs it's still around the upper 20s.
Title: Humidifier
Post by: YerDugliness on December 16, 2007, 01:17:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by vermonter16

It looks like the living rooms where the guitar is wrapped and near the tree is running at approximately 45% humidity.  I think this is because we have a live tree and a giant bowl of water...does this make sense?  I know the humidity is not that high normally.  Upstairs it's still around the upper 20s.



Yeah, it makes sense--you have that big tree giving off water vapor and that big bowl of water, the two of them acting together are going to be like a small humidifier.  I'd bet you'll be OK until the big unwrapping happens!  Even better, have Santa get him a stand and let him keep it in that room, it would be ideal!

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Ready to retire and age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburn WD32SW and WD32S (WD32S soon to receive an under-bridge pickup)
Epiphone AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!)
Yamaha G231-II and G60A Classical guitars
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Epiphone Dot '63 ES335  Repop, Epiphone Les Paul Special (?)
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
Title: Humidifier
Post by: 1 Cal on December 16, 2007, 02:15:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by YerDugliness
Even better, have Santa get him a stand and let him keep it in that room, it would be ideal!
[:0] IMO that would only be ideal if you're going to keep the live tree and the giant bowl of water in there 'til Winter (and probably early Spring) are over.
Title: Humidifier
Post by: vermonter16 on December 17, 2007, 10:03:35 AM
One time we kept the tree until like February or something :)  We have bad cats and the one named Ozzie would probably use the guitar as a scratching post knowing him :)
Title: Humidifier
Post by: Squint on December 17, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by vermonter16

One last comment.  I don't like spreading the strings apart like I have to do to put this humidifier in.  I think I'm going to break them or something.  I figure it will last a week without much trouble.  I guess I can always go ahead and install it in the case when I get the other one.  I'm returning this one Monday.



Just loosen the G and the D a bit.

Works every time!

[:D]

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