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Post by: onewilyfool on December 24, 2007, 12:54:07 PM
It CAME!!! I know, I know, you want pics!! I will get them to you soon, and a sofa shot with my other two washburn parlors. LOL......but here is the initial report. I have guitar #232 with Spruce top, and solid Koa B&S, model # R316 SWRK. This is not a toy guitar, it is a real guitar with a lot of sound!! Well set-up right out of the box, it even sounds good with the stock strings! (so I've left them on so far) The box is deeper than my R308, which may account for the LARGE sound. At first glimpse, you think you are actually holding a 100 year old guitar, complete with scratches, dents, fading, darkening and aging, but it is brand new. LOL. My first thought was,Well, I don't have to worry about scratching this one! I think I have put a few dings in it already. This distressing and aging finish is REALLY well done. Very realistic.  They did their homework on this one. It allows them to put a lighter finish on the guitar which may be partly responsible for the great sound. One thing that did take a little getting used to, is the chunky V neck, very true to the original. After a day of playing, I didn't even notice it. This is my first Koa guitar, and wouldn't you know it, they darkened and aged the back and sides so that you can't even see the koa's distinctive grain, however you get that woody koa sound, and that was what I was after. The Spuce top is well distressed and very thin. The sound is big, great sustain, even across the strings, and I found myself naturally playing folk and blues, with a lot of Beatles thrown in for good measure. I have played it against the Washburn R308, my 100 year old Washburn, and my friend's Larrivee P09 rosewood, and none of them can hold a candle to this guitar, even though it is right out of the box. After 3 days of playing, it is opening up nicely, and for some reason, the geometry of the guitar is encouraging me to use a light touch. Which is very good for me. All in all, this is a great little guitar. They are only making 250 of these with back and sides in Rosewood, and some other African wood species that I have never heard about. So if you are looking for a solid wood Washburn parlor, better get yours quick! Another hokey item the include is a certificate of authenticity, and a rather neat little reproduction of an old Washburn catalogue from turn of the century. Fun reading that old english word phrasing, and the unsophisticated marketing lingo of the time. Hope you are all having a great holiday, mine will be spent pickin' and grinnin'......
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Post by: strumsalot on December 24, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
Congrats!

Pics, pics, pics...[:p]
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Post by: Pike on December 24, 2007, 01:02:28 PM
Sounds great Wily, congrats!
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Post by: 1 Cal on December 24, 2007, 02:28:40 PM
Congratulations Wily!  [:D]
And Merry Christmas. [:)]

HELP!  I want one. [:0]
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 24, 2007, 07:44:16 PM
Rocket.....I ordered it through a local Washburn Dealer, gave me a pretty good price (better than the EBAY) so I jumped for it. Luckily, I got a good one. Thanks for the well wishes 1Cal, Pike, Strums....Have a great holiday!!!
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Post by: magoo99 on December 24, 2007, 07:51:17 PM
Congrats wily, what a Christmas gift. Merry Christmas.
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Post by: bazookajoe on December 25, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
i think your post has almost convinced me to order, been watching one on ebay germany for a few days but was not sure if it might just be a beautiful wallhanger. (too expensive for that). but now you play it next to a vintage washburn and a larrivee parlor and still like it (even better) - that sounds good.

although i wonder about the koa. there is very little information about these on the web, none on the washburn website, but i could not find any information that there is a koa model.

best i have found is this: http://www.adirondackguitar.com/Parlor.pdf

and according to that the R 316 SWRK you have would be the Rosewood Model, the SWKK is specified as 'Trembesi' back and sides. no word of a KOA model. And to add more Confusion the german ebay dealer describes the SWKK as KOA probably a misunderstanding because of the KK in the name.

Can anybody clear this up? where is the information about a KOA model?

i just read your other thread, that ebay link you posted also shows the rosewood model and no word of koa there.

i am interested in this because i dont know if i should decide for the Rosewood or Trembesi (never heard of that before, theres a new oscar schmid uke using it) back and sides, so i hoped to read someones opinion here - cool would be someone who has heard both.
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Post by: bazookajoe on December 25, 2007, 11:50:50 AM
thanks, of course i did a google search on trembesi, could not find any information about it as a tonewood.
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 25, 2007, 12:18:44 PM
Hey Bazooka Joe.....Here is what I know. I was TOLD that the Chicago distributor told the local store here that there are Koa models, which was ordered for me. Whether this guitar is Koa or Trembesi, I don't know. Mine is #232, so maybe at the end of the run they threw in some other tone woods. All I know is that it sounds GREAT and I am keeping it no matter what the wood is. Another thing I forgot to add is that the neck is 1 7/8 wide at the nut, so it is noticably wider than my usual 1 3/4, but works great for fingerstyling (like Beatle's Blackbird), and I got used to it rather quickly.  That link, Joe, that you put in was WAY more information than I got. The case here in the US is different than the one in your photo. The lettering is done in gold leaf, and has a different style font than the photo with the added words 125th Anniversary added in gold leaf, and the case is in solid black, not brown like the photo on the link you posted. Just as an aside.....it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get recent and reliable specifications from the Washburn web site. Emails I have sent have gone unanswered. I just got this guitar on a whim, and lucked out. If I speculate, I would guess that the great sound comes from the very thin spruce top, the 12 frets to the neck (putting the bridge right in the sweet spot of the lower bout) and the thin weathered finish that doesn't have to be thick and glossy, and sound dampening, like a brand new looking guitar) The solid wood back and sides contribute somewhat probably, and I am still trying to figure out how to describe the sound. I have only owned rosewood or mahogany b&s guitars before, and there is a difference (to my ear) of the different tone woods. My label shows R316SWRK. One dealer I talked to told me that the SW means solid wood the R means rosewood and the K means it comes with a case....or Kase (lol) SO, clearly my guitar is NOT rosewood, so I am assuming that some Rmodels were made with Koa. (although this is not the highly figured Koa) they have stained it more to look like walnut, which was also used in guitars at that historical time. So, this is all I know. Ordering through the internet is tough, expecially EBAY. So perhaps your local dealer could help you. My dealer was only offered one of these guitars, and I got it. Other dealers are only allowed two, so better get in line. There are only 250 going to be made.
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Post by: luvzmocha on December 25, 2007, 02:46:08 PM
Where was it made?
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 26, 2007, 11:55:40 AM
Guitar made in Indonesia Luv....Here are the pics.....I also added some pics of my other Parlors. New Washburn 125 Anniversary to the left, Washburn R308S next, 100 year old Washburn next, Fullerton Parlor to the right. Then some closeups of the guitar. Great little guitar....Just an update....this is probably a Rosewood B&S guitar based on Serial number, I have the dealer looking into why it is not the Koa I ordered. I will keep this guitar anyway, just fun to play and very good sounding, can't put it down!! I know you guys understand.....

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Post by: bazookajoe on December 26, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
thank you for the great pictures.
i dont think that there is a koa model, i assume dealers are confusing it because the numer has KK, maybe there was early information about koa. doesnt matter if you like it. however i still dont know which one to choose, on german ebay theres 4 in trembesi and only one in rosewood available. i will post here if/when i bought one.

btw. how does that cheapo fullerton sound, compared to the old washburn?
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 26, 2007, 01:45:02 PM
That Cheapo Fullerton is actually a surprisingly good guitar. A little boxy sounding. It is the smallest of the bunch. A little Bass challenged, great sustain, just low volume in the bass range. . Solid Spruce top, sounds great for blues. What I like about the parlors, is that I can sit on the sofa and play during commercials while watching TV very comfortably. Don't have to reach over a honkin' Jumbo or Dreadnaught. So a very comfortable guitar to play. They don't make the Fullerton Blackwood anymore.....so I may have a collector's item....lol.

By the way, I think they are trying to imitate koa with that Trembesi, hence the K in the serial number. I'm happy with the Rosewood. Great projection, great volume, great sustain. One of the best Parlors I've played under $2000. Maybe even some OVER $2000!!!
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Post by: luvzmocha on December 27, 2007, 07:19:02 PM
Now that is a V neck. Looks like it could split wood. I also appreciate where it was made.
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Post by: strumsalot on December 27, 2007, 11:55:42 PM
Very cool Wily. Love that aged, distressed look and V-neck. Wow!
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 28, 2007, 12:39:51 PM
thanks for the well wishes.....amazingly, this little guitar has really opened up since I have been playing it til my fingers bleed (lol) I am just constantly surprised by this guitar. A luthier friend of mine says that a lot of the old Washburns had that pronounced V neck and it wasn't just tradition or style. The V actually added more mass to the neck which adds to the sound quality. I'm not sure if this is true for my guitar, but I am trying to figure out why it sounds so loud, so good, and sustains for such a long time. Don't get me wrong...I'm NOT complaining....lol....keep on pluckin' guys and gals......wily

P.S. One thing I forgot to add, which is not apparent on the pics, the back is quite curved front to back AND side to side, which may be a sound factor, nice touch.
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Post by: vheissu on December 28, 2007, 12:54:34 PM
She's beautiful man.

Ben
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 30, 2007, 01:11:20 PM
vheissu.....thanks. Who thought beat-up could mean beautiful, but I know what you mean. And I am worry free about dings and scratches. My other new Washburn, the R308S, is in showroom condition, only because I tend to baby my guitars and am VERY careful handling them (especially in and out of the cases), but there is the worry factor of when the first ding will be christened.....lol......This one really looks old. I don't know if you can see it, but on the bottom pic you can see some minor pick scratches around the sound hole, they thought of everything, and you can see some wear on the decorative binding top and bottom of the sound hole, as though the trim was worn away with time and play. Makes me laugh, it is hokey, but someone put the time in to make this look authentically old. And guess what....no worry factor....lol....by the way, this guitar has really opened up. When I first got it, it was a little raw, maybe a little harsh, but has mellowed in with the strings, and is sounding GREAT!!!
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 04, 2008, 11:47:06 AM
Luv.....I know what you mean. Same with my cars. I can't stand that wait for the first scratch. I have found that most of my scratches on my guitar come from my own fingernails on my picking hand. ONCE, I had the guitar case top come down on the front of the guitar!!!!!! That will NEVER happen again. I am very careful on that front. When I first started playing, I often got buckle rash on the back, but that never happens now. Live and learn.....On this little washburn, they didn't do the buckle rash thing on the back, but did scuff up the sound hole to look like pick scratches.....saved me some time....lol.....Have a good one...
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 06, 2008, 07:13:05 PM
luvzmocha:Now that is a V neck. Looks like it could split wood.

Hey Luvz.....it has taken a little to get used the to old V neck, but now it is like I've always been playing it. It DOES look like it could split wood, howeve I am hoping it doen't split my hand!!!! In the olden days I guess there were no threaded, reinforced necks on guitars, so that V added some resistance to the neck bending upwards....AND a little mass to help with sound quality. All in all, I am pleased with the neck. Note: the neck is also a little distressed to look old, nothing that makes it feel funny, but aged nonetheless. I am very pleased, I hope you get to try one, most local dealers get one or two sent to them.....let me know what you think....
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Post by: bazookajoe on January 08, 2008, 01:06:20 PM
I am now the proud owner of R316SWKK #133

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Its the Trembesi Back and Sides, was advertised as KOA.
I must admit that this was a ebay purchase based on the looks and the posts in this thread, done in a heavy GAS attack and I really feared that it might be a beautiful wallhanger, but i am glad to report that i like it very much. It has a loud, woody, singing sound. Its a pity that this is a limited edition because i think its a market gap instrument. If i lost it i would not know how to replace it - not even where to start too look.
Compared to previous owned guitars i like it much better than a Larrivee Parlor (not even close) i once owned. I also just played it side by side with my 1930s All Mahogany Stromberg-Voisinet Parlor and it might even replace that - really has a similar charakter.

Btw. i think the neck profile is a very modern slim one with only a hint of a v-shape. At least compared to my Stromberg Voisinet and other old Parlors i have seen which have really triangular baseball bat size necks.

The bad part is that i paid a rather high price compared to what they sell for in the USA - since its limited i had no choice of dealers. Some nitpicking: I love the artificial aged look, its nicely done - on the top it looks like it has been applied to the top rather than the wood has been tinted. There are a few areas near the fretboard and soundhole where they applied it a bit scruffy and you can see very light wood underneath - so contrary to onewilyfool who said that he doesnt have to worry about making a scratch in fact I DO because there will be light, new bright wood visible.

A look inside the body showed a few not so nice things: on some spaces the kerfed lining which connects the sides to body and top looks like it isnt perfectly fitted, theres some space between it and the sides, definitely the reinforcement strips on the sides dont fit perfectly, there is a visible space between them and the sides, and finally when i looked into the soundhole while holding the guitar to the window i could see light shine between back and sides - i dont have another guitar with plastic binding so i couldnt check but i dont think that should be like that (its only on some spaces).
Theres also a few other minor traces of sloppy workmanship - i hope the things i described are only minor and wont lead to structural problems in the future.

I would love to add a soundfile but i am not sure if my crappy playing (just restarting to play after a almost 20 year break) and the quality of the recoring i could do would show how the guitar actually sounds. If you are interested revisit this thread, if i can manage to record something i like i will upload it to soundclick.

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Post by: onewilyfool on January 09, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
Hey Bazookajoe......congradulations!!!! That looks like a beautiful example..I can see why they liken it to Koa....nice grain. I am still thrilled with mine. I have finally been able to identify the sound of my guitar (which indeed does have Rosewood b&s) the sound is very piano like. Singing as you said. Mine has tones of overtones which really add to this sound. For me, it is PERFECT for the style of playing I do....blues, fingerstyle, etc. Hard strumming on this little singer seems to overpower it. But that is not how i play....so all the better for me. Looking at the build quality of mine....I don't seem to have too many issues.....My old Larrivee parlor was PERFECT in the fit and finish department, but this one beats it down, sound wise. I don't know how it is in Europe, but here we get a lifetime warranty with the guitar. So hopefully any repairs due to bad workmanship will be done under warranty. Mine just 'feels' solid. If I tap it, no loose braces, etc. So good luck with yours. I also am playing after a 10 year break, so after one year, my fingers are back in shape, and I think you will find that this is NOT a wall hanger. I have been playing it over some of my very, very nice guitars, and loving it. Hope you do too!!!
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 09, 2008, 02:12:39 PM
Hey Bazookajoe....don't know about the finish and sratches, but if you do get one that goes through to the wood, a little shoepolish in the blemish should do the job....Have fun with your...
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Post by: kyokuhon on January 13, 2008, 02:27:11 PM
Hi, guys,
I'm new to this forum, and in fact signed on just to get info about these guitars.  Like so many others, I'm watching them on ebay, and really interested.  What I'm wondering, because of what I'd like to play on it, is whether it's a reproduction internally as well as externally (Bazookajoe's comments aren't heartening).  All I see on the websites listed is that the have the look and feel of the original.  I want to use it to play the late 19th. c. American parlor guitar stuff.  At the time, before about 1910 or so, they apparently used gut strings on these.  Has anyone put nylon or gut on one to see how it sounds?  Does anyone know if the soundboard bracing has been modified to take modern steel strings?  Any help, info, or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Best to all, and keep playing!
K.
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 13, 2008, 06:09:06 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum. If you look at pics I posted, you can see that one of my Washburn Parlors is actually 100 or so years old, and was originally a gut string, ladder braced parlor. I have it strung with Martin silk and silver folk strings which give it less stress on the neck. Also my old washburn has had the bridge changed to a compensated bridge, and has had the frets redone. I actually like all the changes. The fret board is flat like a classic guitar, which is a little strange for me, but I got used to it. So the new guitar is NOT a feature for feature historic reproduction, but a nod to that era, aged for effect. I play blues and fingerstyle, so this guitar is perfect for me.....and sounds fantastic!!!! Great playability, piano like ringing and sound.....perfect for the old style playing....Hope this helps....
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Post by: bazookajoe on January 14, 2008, 07:45:07 AM
hi,
i mentioned a few traces of not so clean workmanship but i also said that it is a very cool, maybe the best guitar of that kind i ever owned. its perfect for 1930s countryblues and ragtime or similar styles. i highly doubt that it will sound any good with gut strings because without any doubt the bracing is made to stand the common  gauges of acoustic guitar strings. Its not a faithful reproduction of those light built 1930s guitars. (i am not an expert but i do own a 1930s stromberg voisinet parlor and have owned a 1920s Gibson L1).
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Post by: kyokuhon on January 14, 2008, 01:05:10 PM
Hi, all,
Yes, thanks for the information and advice, bazookajoe, and I meant that your comments were disheartening only in so much as they indicated that it probably wasn't what I had been hoping, i.e. a historical copy, not that I thought it wouldn't be a great instrument.  It certainly sounds like folks are happy with them!  I guess I'll have to decide if it's important enough for me to shell out for an accurate copy or an antique.  Thanks again, and keep playing.
K.
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 15, 2008, 10:56:14 AM
Kyokuhon......I see on EBAY that there is one of these guitars for $649 shipping included? If that one sounds anything like mine, that is a deal. (although I don't really enjoy buying on EBAY....it might be worth a try)
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Post by: kyokuhon on January 15, 2008, 11:44:57 AM
Hi, onewily and all,
Yes, you did see some at that price, though they went pretty fast, though they may have relisted.  There were still 3 at $719 delivered yesterday.  I haven't checked today.  Still undecided whether to get one for my interests.
Best, and keep playing,
K.
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 17, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
Hi Kyokuhon......I went on line to see the guitars you are looking at......Note there are still two at $649 with free shipping. Some of these are butt-ugly from the photos. Perhaps ask for some higher quality photos before buying. Looks like some of them are survivors from a flood. But the aged, distressed look is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.....good luck on your decision. Hopefully there is a washburn store near you where you can try one out, I am very pleased with the sound, and that is what is all about for me.....
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Post by: larrylee13 on January 20, 2008, 10:07:17 PM
Anyone know specifics on top bracing of these guitars?  ALMOST ready to buy one (probably Rosewood)but can find very little accurate info on them, even from Washburn themselves (like the Koa/Trembesi issue)--BTW...I do like the look of many of the Trembesi bodies, but not much seems to be know about it as a TONE wood!  Google came up with a lot of Indonesian furniture references, but nothing other than Washburn using it on these reproduction guitars...

So...assume the intended strings are light guage steel or the mentioned silk-n-steel folk type strings.  Everyone seems pretty happy so far with their purchases...

Appreciate any comments you'all might provide...
Thanks.
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Post by: bazookajoe on January 21, 2008, 11:51:00 AM
i think this guitar is braced to use the common acoustic string gauges, there is no information that its lighter braced and intended to use silk and steel or other lower tension strings.
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 21, 2008, 03:13:53 PM
My guitar is X braced and the braces are not especially light. It is strung with light's (12's) and I have been playing for quite some time on them and they still sound good. I will replace with D'Adario's XLP's 12's and report back. I used those silk and steels on my old Washburn....just to be safe....
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 22, 2008, 04:46:05 PM
I sent a pic of my guitar to a friend and here is his response.....I'd love to get one of those, but I just bought a Gibson electric. I'm just
gonna have to stop buying guitars, so I can buy OTHER guitars!

Those of you with bad GAS will understand his logic just fine.....
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Post by: larrylee13 on January 22, 2008, 10:40:09 PM
Thanks for reply...
So pretty much any standard strings will probably be OK and pull off the bridge or bow the top...back to what sounds best!!  Got my eye on a rosewood model...

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Originally posted by onewilyfool

My guitar is X braced and the braces are not especially light. It is strung with light's (12's) and I have been playing for quite some time on them and they still sound good. I will replace with D'Adario's XLP's 12's and report back. I used those silk and steels on my old Washburn....just to be safe....

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Post by: bazookajoe on January 23, 2008, 03:23:20 PM
i dont understand why you think standard strings will pull off the bridge or bow the top.
this is a new, modern small body guitar just like a larrivee parlor, a martin 0-size or whatever.
its made to look very old and used and it sounds great.

i think (at least the big) manufacturers wouldnt dare to build any very light braced guitars because of damage and warranty issues.
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Post by: oldbrowndog on January 24, 2008, 08:07:19 AM
[:D]Just wanted to introduce myself and want to thank everyone for their timely comments re: the Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition. I was able to put an offer in that was accepted on ebay. I chose #59 of 250 with rosewood back and sides which I think was a bit prettier than  some. I just hope it isnt defective, and if it plays as well as those of you who own one, I will be happier than a pig in poop. I'm excited, says he,  grinning  from ear to ear. Now  I just have to  wait the  week to ten days as it is shipped here to Vancouver Island. Cheers. Oh, by the way...please dont confuse me  with browndog on this group...I was oldbrowndog before I even signed up for this forum, ...how weird is that?[8D]
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Post by: ship of fools on January 24, 2008, 10:01:46 AM
Good for you oldbrowndog, she is a sweet looking little ax and I am sure you'll get years of enjoyment out of her, when she comes to the Island don't forget to post lots of pictures, some of us here use Photobucket.com to post pics ( its free and fairly easy to use).
Seeing how you are in my neck of the woods where abouts are you on the Island, top, bottom, down by Victoria?
And hey if you can ignore the funny stuff stick around and give us an up date and welcome to fantasy island, and just so you know most pics are usually done on a comfy couch, just in case someone wants to visit and help you play your guit.louis

Millenium Brigade
Rover Brigade
Another WAGJammer
Timbercraft Brigade J52SW
D78-SW
and other great sounding and playing guitars
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Post by: oldbrowndog on January 24, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
@shipoffools...beautiful Parksville... and yes, I will post some pics when I receive it...I  could use the ones off ebay, but they  dont give it justice. Cheers.



Simon & Patrick CW Cedar Acoustic
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 24, 2008, 03:16:49 PM
OLD brown dog.....congradulations on your purchase. If it sounds anything like mine....you will be very happy. What kind of music do you play? I use this for everything from blues to rock to jazz, and it sounds wonderful (and different) for each style....hours of enjoyment ahead I'm sure....
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Post by: oldbrowndog on January 24, 2008, 05:28:59 PM
Been playing for about  30 years and embarrassed to say I'm really no better than when I started...however, I intend to  change all that with the Washburn...I want to pursue the finger picking style, as  a friend recently bought a Larrivee  parlor and I really liked the size. I'm actually more of a songwriter,  the traditional ballady  love, pain and tears.(Why is all the best stuff written when relationships are breaking  down?) Just a rhetorical question.
So, onward and upward. I'm motivated!
Thanks for the encouragement all.
Cheers.[:)]

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 24, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
oldbrowndog.....YOu will surely love this guitar it has a 1 13/16 neck which should be perfect for finger picking style. The V neck took me a while to get used to, but now I dont' even notice it.....make sure to put some pics on this link when your guitar arrives.....good luck...
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Post by: RaggedTime on January 28, 2008, 06:11:17 AM
Hi, I'm new to this forum and registered basically because of this guitar :P
Can anyone who have the guitar measure the scale length and post it here? Guitar Center lists a 24 scale but I'm not sure about it, maybe 24.9 or 25? Anyway, it looks interesting and I'm curious as to how it sounds. From those of you who bought it, would you say that it's good for bare-finger picking? I'm hoping for a round smooth tone on the trebles and nicely defined basses. Definitely looks like a niche guitar.
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Post by: Stumblin on January 29, 2008, 11:18:25 AM
Earlier in this thread, someone (whose name I've forgotten, sorry) said the R316SWRK guitars were made in Indonesia. The label inside mine (#32) says Crafted in Indonesia, not Made. Is it possible that these instruments have been partially made elsewhere, and sent either to or from Indonesia for finishing, or were they definitely made there from start to finish?
Sorry if this sounds like a silly question, but it's not only me that wants to know for certain, so I'm kind of honour-bound to ask!
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Post by: onewilyfool on January 29, 2008, 04:05:07 PM
I have no idea....sometimes items are just assembled in a country, all parts coming from someplace else, is it so complex these days....but crafted sounds like marketing-speak for made but one never knows....Good luck on getting any info on this. Washburn's website and customer support are not that supportive on older models and new models....
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 01, 2008, 02:12:32 PM
I'm now getting ready to switch strings on my R316.....I like the originals, but have no idea what brand they are.....Have any of you R316 owners changed strings yet? Find any you like? Let me know..thanks
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 03, 2008, 01:37:28 PM
WOW>......just found this on EBAY.....R316 SWRK for $579 shipping included.....Good deal


http://cgi.ebay.com/125-ANNIVERSARY-R-316-SWRK-WASHBURN-PARLOR-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ310019315984QQihZ021QQcategoryZ33032QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Post by: gregjones on February 03, 2008, 08:44:01 PM
Too late.  It's gone.  I always miss out on the deals.

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got eight strings.

My correct email is gregajones@hotmail.com
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Post by: oldbrowndog on February 04, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
There are couple on ebay right now...I ordered one and it should be arriving any day...this guy will give you a good deal, make a reasonable offer. $69 shipping to Canada...I live in B.C. http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350021550485&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=350017124354&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

good luck

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic.
Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition on it's way!!!
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Post by: 1 Cal on February 04, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by oldbrowndog

There are couple on ebay right now...I ordered one and it should be arriving any day...this guy will give you a good deal, make a reasonable offer. $69 shipping to Canada...I live in B.C.
Washburn R316SWKK - 125th Limited Edition Parlor Case B (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350021550485&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=350017124354&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget)
good luck
Beware... B Stock! [:0]
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 04, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
Anyone change strings on theirs yet? Still looking for some suggestions....parlors are not Dreadnaughts..lol ...Thanks....
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Post by: strumsalot on February 04, 2008, 07:36:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 1 Cal

Beware... B Stock! [:0]

How can a limited edition/run of 250 have B-stock? Wouldn't you think they make sure this special run came out right? Do you think the B-stock is structual or neck angles? I mean they already come with dinged, dented and scratched tops.
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 05, 2008, 08:25:48 PM
Strums......to B or not to B....THAT is the question! I imagine there are some duds in every run. Maybe only some kind of cosmetic problem but with this rustic guitar, I'm surprised it even shows up....lol
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Post by: oldbrowndog on February 06, 2008, 04:38:42 AM
O.K.,it finally arrived and yes, there are a few cosmetic flaws but as we know, it was reproduced to look this way...the sound is phenomenal out of the box...no regrets and wish I had the cash to buy 2. I dont know how to upload pics to here but you can see it on my flickr site. Cheers.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22887496@N08/

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic.
Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition
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Post by: Pike on February 06, 2008, 05:55:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by strumsalot

quote:
Originally posted by 1 Cal

Beware... B Stock! [:0]

How can a limited edition/run of 250 have B-stock? Wouldn't you think they make sure this special run came out right? Do you think the B-stock is structual or neck angles? I mean they already come with dinged, dented and scratched tops.

Chad
My Guits (http://www.washburn.com/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=9144)

heh heh, good point strums.
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Post by: oldbrowndog on February 06, 2008, 10:28:53 AM
I think they probably have to have a mandatory percentage that has to be designated B stock, so they cull those with  blems,  minor stuff etc...as pointed out, by strums, Wouldn't you think they make sure this special run came out right?...they are using aged wood, so  maybe some pieces are  aged more than others...just a thought. I'm very pleased  with mine...sounds like an angel's guitar.

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic.
Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition
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Post by: strumsalot on February 06, 2008, 10:46:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by oldbrowndog

they are using aged wood, so  maybe some pieces are  aged more than others...just a thought.

Remember...the catalog has aged in quoatation marks, and then goes on to say,These guitars have been skillfully “Antiqued” to resemble over 100 years of wear. I read that as an aged finish on fairly new wood.

Remember...if the guitar is truly designated as a B-stock, then it is not covered whatsoever by any warranty.
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Post by: oldbrowndog on February 06, 2008, 06:35:42 PM
I guess we can interpret it and read into it any thing we want, semantics being what they are.  My feeling is if as a purchaser you are happy with  what you got, what else matters. There are always going to be differences of opinions. Play one  and then decide.

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic.
Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition.
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Post by: donny341 on February 06, 2008, 08:36:07 PM
If you really want a guitar with that aged look to seem about 100 years old, try this one. I think it truly IS 100 years old, it was given to him from his grandfather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vaYOIKWYY

Heh heh...that guitar will be in his hands when he dies, no doubt.

I like this Washburn 125th Anniversary Parlor....tried one out at Sam Ash about a week ago, they want $800 there.

Answer to string question...they are probably Vinci strings from the factory.
Answer to scale length question....24 inches is correct. Short scale, easy to play, especially for smaller hands.
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Post by: 1 Cal on February 07, 2008, 11:55:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by donny341

Answer to string question...they are probably Vinci strings from the factory.
Answer to scale length question....24 inches is correct. Short scale, easy to play, especially for smaller hands.

Hey Donny, I just measured the scale length on my R308S and it's 24¾.  Looking at Wily's couch photo, the scale lengths on his new/old R318SWRK and his R308S look identical.  HELP... I'm confused.  (OK, so what's new? you say [|)].)
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Post by: donny341 on February 07, 2008, 05:37:37 PM
If you took a measurement from the fret board side of the nut to the front (fret board side) of the saddle and came up with 24.75, then I am sure you are correct. In the store at Sam Ash, the sales guy didn't have much of a measuring stick, not being prepared for such a question. We guessed at it from comparing to a full size Augusta, which we know is 25.5. I assumed that being a parlor guitar, it should have the smaller scale length, and no one was answering the question for the one asking here in this thread, and I thought I would chime in. With the wrong answer I gave, now we ALL know it is 24.75....thanks to you, Cal [:D][:I]
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Post by: 1 Cal on February 07, 2008, 06:00:26 PM
Fretboard face of nut to center of 12th fret X 2
[:)]
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Post by: donny341 on February 07, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
Yea, same diff. I'm looking at getting the bridge finder tool from Stew-Mac. Set it on the 12th fret and butt it against the nut face, lock it down, turn it around and it locates the bridge slot postion for you on the face of the guitar. It has attachments to calculate and set two pointers for an acoustic saddle that is offset at an angle or you can set a classical straight on with it.
I have a Giannini Classical that has a 24 inch scale length, and it is my nicest playing classical.
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 08, 2008, 04:15:06 PM
Tried some Cleartone strings....very nice...better than the Vincis.....do you measure from the nut to the center of the saddle? How do you measure the compensated saddle?
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Post by: strumsalot on February 08, 2008, 08:03:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool

Tried some Cleartone strings....very nice

The last time I went to get strings the music store was out of EJ16's, so I tried a set of Cleartone strings. I agree, very nice![:)]
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Post by: donny341 on February 08, 2008, 09:21:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool
do you measure from the nut to the center of the saddle? How do you measure the compensated saddle?



Measure from fretboard side of the nut to the center of the 12th fret, then approximately the same amount again from the center of the 12th fret to the fretboard side of the saddle face. Here is a tool that will locate your saddle for proper scale length, and the instruction section shows you how to measure for a compensated location.

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Measuring_tools/1/Saddlematic/Pictures.html#details

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for:_Bridges/1/Saddlematic/Instructions/I-4462.html#details
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Post by: seldom seen on February 10, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Hey,
    I just bought a new Washburn rosewood parlor anniversary model yesterday.  I got a flier from a chain store (that in the past in have sworn off) and saw the RS316SWKK picture.  I got there and they had two models, rosewood and trembasi.  Like many others on this forum, I don't know anything about this mystery tonewood.  I played them both extensively and decided that the rosewood RS316SWRX #197 was for me. The rosewood had a bassier presence and while the trembasi sounded very good also, it was woodIer and drier sounding.  Another factor was that the setup on the rosewood was much, much better.  That's the problem with factory guitars, sometimes there's not enough time spent on each individual instrument.  Anyway, I've played the instrument as much as possible today, you see I haven't told my wife about it yet.  It's a good thing that she's a good guitar player and great songwriter.  Actually, I'm going to present it to my wife when we play together and if she digs it I'm going to buy her the trembasi model for her birthday.  Of course, I'll have it set up first.  Buy the way no one has mentions the cool coffin style case.
     They did a great job relicing these instruments and the price is a steal.

Seldom Seen
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Post by: seldom seen on February 10, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
Hey,

  How come my post disappeared?

Seldom Seen
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 13, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
By the way......$599 shipping included on EBAY.....can't beat it....

http://cgi.ebay.com/125-ANNIVERSARY-R-316-SWKK-WASHBURN-PARLOR-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ310022521093QQihZ021QQcategoryZ33032QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Post by: Pike on February 14, 2008, 04:37:11 AM
quote:
I just bought a new Washburn rosewood parlor anniversary model yesterday.
Congrats on your new Washburn Seldom Seen!
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Post by: nogin007 on February 14, 2008, 08:23:14 AM
Actually, I'm going to present it to my wife when we play together and if she digs it I'm going to buy her the trembasi model for her birthday. >>>>>>>  You could give it to her for Valentines Day, which is today.
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Post by: nodehopper on February 14, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool

By the way......$599 shipping included on EBAY.....can't beat it....

http://cgi.ebay.com/125-ANNIVERSARY-R-316-SWKK-WASHBURN-PARLOR-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ310022521093QQihZ021QQcategoryZ33032QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




Well....I just grabbed that one yesterday. I believe that seller has posted another today.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310023556921&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=310022521093&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m183&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%26itu%3DUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4

I was a bit concerned cause his seller name is like fastcashpawnshop ...but I talked to the guy there and he said he is a Washburn Dealer and they grabbed a bunch to sell when they came out. He sounded legit over the phone...will be able to confirm that when I get the thing next week.

Thanks one wily for your PMs while I was having my severe GAS attack...should go away next week after the big brown truck shows up with my parlor medication. LOL !!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 14, 2008, 08:52:06 PM
Nodehopper, congradulations.....I just love this guitar.....my other parlors are getting jealous. Nogin....make sure your wife can deal with that V neck....if she has small hands it may be a problem......Long Live Parlors!!!!
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Post by: oldbrowndog on February 15, 2008, 12:34:32 AM
Yeh...I'm sure pleased with mine...#59...sounds sweeter every time I pick her up..it's motivating me again to practice every day..love the size and the sound.

Simon @ Patrick CW Cedar acoustic.
Washburn R316SWRK 125 Year Anniversary Edition.
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 19, 2008, 01:12:53 PM
oldbrowndog....I know what you mean.....my other guitars are getting jealous. I play that one almost exclusively now.....This is the perfect blues guitar for me....just has that sound. I can now stop looking for the perfect Parlor. I've got the one for me....
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Post by: nodehopper on February 19, 2008, 02:27:48 PM
Stop!!! I can't take the waiting any more !!!   UPS man......where are you???

From what the seller said he should be shipping mine out today....the only advantage to the long wait was that after talking to him on the phone...
I found out he had a few on hand so he is now going to send me a Rosewood model instead of the TREMBESI. What the heck is TREMBESI anyways??
I guess it is a possible substitute for Koa or Mahogany? I don't own a guitar made of Rosewood.....this will be my first Rosewood guitar.

So maybe I should be getting mine early next week ....UPS from Ohio to California ....yah probably not till next week and you guys are just killing me with your comments about playing yours !!!!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: crowduck on February 19, 2008, 04:56:04 PM
I just bought one of these. The dealer claimed that it has a bone saddle. Can anyone confirm this? I just upgraded my older R305S to a bone saddle and am amazed. Also changed the stock plastic bridge pins to brass EZ-Pegs. What a difference!.

crowduck
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 19, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
Crowduck.Congradulations on your new guitar!!! I believe it is bone, (my R308S aksi had a bone saddle and nut)....I tried to change mine to Ebony pins, but the diameter of the ebony is less than that of the washburn, so they kept slipping. How did your EZ's fit? any slippage????
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 19, 2008, 05:12:04 PM
Crowduck....by the way, what is the R301S? Never heard of that one???
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Post by: crowduck on February 19, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
onewilyfool,

Thanks for the feedback.
The test for bone saddle/nut is the hot pin test. Take a sewing pin or equivalent and get it red hot, then touch it to the end of a saddle or nut. Plastic will melt, bone will not.
The design of EZ-Pegs is such that they will not slip. They are machined brass with a hollow center where the ball end protrudes from the rear of the peg, then string goes through the hollow center and exits through a hole in the top front of the peg, then over the saddle to the nut and tuners. They are held in place through leverage in a cantilever fashion. They are especially usefull for an older guitar with a worn down bridge plate because the ball end doesn't rest there. The only negative I've heard is difficult removal as the peg is held down by string pressure. My trick to avoid this is to wax the peg and its hole in the bridge using a little birthday cake candle sharpened with a cheapo pencil sharpener. They are about $30 online. Look for Carrico's E-Z Pegs. My R305S really came alive with These pegs, bone  saddle, truss rod adjustment, and fresh Elixer strings.
The R301S is another parlor reissue of about 450 units from the mid 1990s. Made in Korea. Very plain usually with no inlays, and a very wide fingerboard, almost 2 inches at the nut. Great for fingerstyle blues.
Regards,
crowduck
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 25, 2008, 05:14:59 PM
Crowduck....thanks for the info.....I will try a set of those pegs.....By the way, tried some Cleartone strings, I prefer them to Exlir....no fraying, no slipping of fingers...etc...try em out!!
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Post by: mrboult on February 27, 2008, 05:55:01 AM
Question for crowduck: I remember your user name from an old forum about the epiphone bluesmaster. I think you had one? If so could you tell me how this 125th Washburn compares. Many thanks.
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Post by: Pete39577 on February 27, 2008, 07:15:02 AM
Crowduck!  Long time no read or hear!  Welcome back!
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Post by: nodehopper on February 28, 2008, 12:48:53 PM
Well.....I finally got my # 189 of 250 Rosewood 125th Anniversary Parlor that I had bought through EBay. I am very happy with it. I was so concerned about the V neck profile since I was buying this sight unseen and with out playing one. All I can say is while it is a bit different.....it is no problem at all.

I had won the Auction on a Trembesi, but found out after talking to the seller that he had a couple of the Rosewood models on hand and he was able to swap it out for a Rosewood. I definitely love the sound...it has a voice all it's own.

mrboult.....I have the Kebmo' Homespun Video lesson on playing blues guitar and he plays an Epi Bluesmaster on that video. When I got my 25th Anniversary Parlor...the first thing I thought was that it sounds very similar to the Epi Bluesmaster he plays. I would call that a very good comparison on sound.

So my only concern (and I know I am Obsessive Compulsive with my guitars) is the top has a little bit of a bowl or dip between the sound hole and bridge. It is very minor and can only be seen with just the right lighting. The top behind the bridge seems to have just the right amount of bellying and I felt around inside and didn't feel any loose braces. I am thinking it is nothing to worry about, but it is the first I have seen this on a guitar I own. Any thoughts?

Well...I would say I am very happy with mine and love the sound and had a very good EBay Experience.

I will take some pics this weekend and post if I have the time. Thanks onewilyfool for all your help and PMs while I was having my severe GAS attack and it all seemed to have worked out well for me!!





Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 28, 2008, 04:41:11 PM
Node, looks like a nice addition to your herd. Can you put a straightedge on the top from the bridge to the place where the neck meets the body? I have a little Fullerton that has the same problem, maybe a 1/16 dip. I've had the guitar for two years and it has not moved. I believe these have lifetime warranty, so why not watch it. If the guy has another Rosewood guit, maybe swap him? You know, from a historic point of view.....a real 100 year old guitar would probably look the same? .......Post pics when you get a chance....It's all about the sound....
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Post by: nodehopper on February 28, 2008, 05:32:16 PM
Yah.....I guess I am not too worried about The Dip in the guitar as much as The Dip who now owns it.
I was just curious in case someone had the same thing and could give me either a warning or some reassurance.

Putting a straight edge on it...(with strings installed so I placed it along side fret board and to the bridge...a little off center)  
across the depression the straight edge loses contact about middle of the sound hole and touches again maybe 1/2 in front of the bridge
and at it's deepest is possibly 1/8 deep.

Unless someone says it will definitely explode or I really need to worry...I am not going to worry.
There are beefy braces right under that area! So I think I will watch it for the next few days before my return period ends.

It just sounds wonderful.... I am not concerned if it is only cosmetic and if it is an issue in the long run.....

Like you say it has a lifetime warranty.  

I will definitely get some pic this weekend and see if I can capture
 the dip for the experts here to evaluate.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: nodehopper on March 03, 2008, 10:40:11 PM
Well.....here is the new Washburn Parlor:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/sands4us/Washburn_parlor.jpg)

Here is about the best I could do to get a pic of the dip between soundhole and bridge.
I added arrows to show where the dip is, but you can really see below the soundhole,
where a pick guard would normally go, the break in the light reflection where the depression starts.
I have looked using a small mirror and all the braces look good from the inside.
I may just take it to a local Luthier for a quick assessment.

Please...anyone have thoughts on this?

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/sands4us/Washburn_parlor_dip.jpg)

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: redbull on March 04, 2008, 01:56:03 AM
ooo pretty

Washburn D10SCEDL
'63 Harmony Monterey
'74 Lark L150
Carlo Robelli Acoustic
ESP EX-50
Fender Stratocaster
Martin HD-28 (some day)
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Post by: 29er on March 04, 2008, 09:13:15 AM
First thing, you must be a photographer.  Nice set up & pics!  And yes, I would take the guitar in for a check.  You may want to return it for an exchange if it's unstable.  Have you contacted the seller?
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Post by: magoo99 on March 04, 2008, 12:03:16 PM
Hey Geo, Nice work. Thanks for the link I found it very helpful.
I was wondering about the frets and why they would change...now I know ..Thanks.
Hope YOU Can stick around...LMAO
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Post by: nodehopper on March 04, 2008, 02:51:49 PM
29er....I am not a photographer, but have always had a bit of a knack with pictures. That pic came out well and after looking at it
for a bit I decided it needed some Shag-a-delic swirlies.

Geo.... Thanks for the help. I just got back from a local guitar shop and the tech there is convinced it is just the other side of
the bellying of the top at the bridge....
i.e. behind the bridge is raised as it should be so the equal and opposite is the top depresses a little in front.
He showed me a couple brand new Taylors that had the same thing although it was much more subtle.
He said that mine is more pronounced just because of it being a smaller guitar.

I am starting to lean toward what the tech just told me. Perhaps it is because that is what I want to hear. I don't know that contacting the seller will get me much. If it is a humidity problem then I would assume any replacement (if he even had one available)
would be in about the same shape having been stored in the same shop. If I just get my money back....
I may never get another one of these little beauties and I really like the thing.
My 7 day return period with the seller ends today and I just don't think I have enough info to know what to do.

I will make sure I register it for its warranty and possibly contact Washburn Customer service to see what they advise
or if they think this is normal.



Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: mrboult on March 04, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
Node...

I'm sorry, this prob' isn't what you want to hear but If it were me I'd be trying to swap it out with the seller straight away.

Guitars with warping problems are too risky. If it finally splits in a few years time when there are none of this rare guitar around anymore you'll kick yourself.


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Post by: nodehopper on March 04, 2008, 04:02:03 PM
Geo...No nothing stamped on the headstock.

I just spoke to Stacy at the Washburn Customer Service desk. I also forwarded the picture to him. I will wait and see what he has to say.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: nodehopper on March 04, 2008, 04:34:36 PM
Well,

I am just so pleasantly surprised at the excellent customer service. I sent the email with picture and got a reply back in less than an hour! After so many terrible customer service experiences I have had...this is just excellent. Well....with this email and the lifetime warranty, I think I will go back to playing and enjoying this little puppy. It really is an exceptional sounding and eye catching little guitar.

Date:    Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:06:16 -0600
Subject:   RE: 125 ANNIVERSARY R.316 SWRK WASHBURN PARLOR GUITAR


Our tech advised me that it looks to be normal.  A little bit of
 movement is typical of solid wood tops.

He said you should probably look inside with a inspection mirror and
 flashlight to be 100% certain there is nothing unusual going on here.

Thanks,


Stacy
Customer Service Representative

Thanks to Ship and Geo and everyone for their help with this...I have to say I have been really worried. And Geo, I do agree with you that this isn't the best structurally and you may be right on about what caused it, but I think that contacting Washburn and getting confirmation from them that if anything does go bad....I am covered helps. I still don't think the seller would have been able to do much for me...I guess this just shows why I have always bought my guitars face to face. I think after this scare I will avoid EBay and buying guitars sight unseen!!

I hope it was alright to share that Customer Service email with the Forum? If not I would be glad to delete it.




Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 10:48:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

To the point I don't even trust the advice I was given by forum members regarding my guitar. While both Washburn Customer Service and a local guitar tech say it looks fine I get replies saying it is screwed and I should return it. Then I see the same forum members flaming away in other threads. I have to stop and wonder if I am getting negative advice just to sour a new person to the forum here. I am not interested in taking the time to figure it out and those threads seem to be gone anyways, so I just feel that posting here is pretty worthless.

What a waste of a decent forum.
It's headed that way.



Let me ask you a question Node. Did you think that there maybe something wrong? Your instincts were pretty good. Just from the picture, it looks as if your top is sunken or concave. Is this normal? No, usually the sign of low humidity. Is a little bit of movement normal for solid tops? Yes, because they are sensitive to humidity and temperature changes. Do I think the movement in your top is more than a little bit or abnormal? Yes. Is there a difference between a guitar tech and luthier? Tons. Do a google search for sunken or concave top, include guitar in your search string.
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 02:19:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nodehopper

So you are saying that Stacy and Mike (Stacy told me he would get Mikes opinion) after looking at the same picture you did are doing what when they respond it is OK and normal? Are you calling them liars?

I have googled and everything I am seeing showing dryness problems, the concave behind the bridge in the lower bout where there is less bracing. On mine the concave is in front of the bridge directly over the X in the X bracing....meaning there is significant support for the top in that area.

Again with all the hostility and turmoil on this forum I just don't know who to trust so my instinct is not to trust anyone here. I probably should have just posted my questions over on the UMGF ....even though it is a washburn I am sure I would have gotten a lot more feedback.

So if Mike or Stacy see this and feel I am unclear: Based upon Stacy and Mikes evaluation of the photograph and the lifetime warranty. My dated receipt, UPS tracking showing when I accepted delivery and the dated email response from Washburn and Stacy telling me that if there is a problem it is under warranty. I am going to keep my Washburn Parlor and hope for the best.
Not calling anyone liars.

I just don't think it's normal, as did Geo, 29er, and mrboult. Even the tech at Washburn said, that it looks to be normal. He then went on to say, you should probably look inside with a inspection mirror and flashlight to be 100% certain there is nothing unusual going on here. If you don't know what to look for, I suggest taking it to a luthier.


From Washburns Website - Warranty Page

What is not covered:

Instruments that have been modified after original shipment from the Washburn factory.
 
Instruments whose serial numbers have been altered or removed.

Instruments that have been subjected to extreme humidity or temperature conditions.

Instruments that have been damaged due to misuse, neglect, or accident. .

Normal wear and tear to serviceable parts such as strings, tuning machines, electronic controls and frets.

Instruments that have been purchased from an unauthorized Washburn dealer.

Warranty claims by anyone other than the original purchaser.

Freight charges to and from the factory or authorized service center for customer owned goods.

Any and all charges incurred from priority service requests (Rush Service) or priority shipping for replacement parts.

Any and all charges if no problem is found
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Post by: Mike Beatty on March 05, 2008, 02:53:02 PM
Another list
1. It's difficult to judge whether there is a problem based on one picture. I feel the glare is emphasizing the break point on the top making it look worse than it really is.
2. The only technician who has seen it in person says there is no problem and Geo says this technician is worthless even though he doesn't know who it is. Why? Because the technician's opinion differs from his.
3. The manufacturer says there is no problem. Although admittedly we haven't seen it in person.
4. The construction of this guitar is a little diffrent from our standard acoustics. Like Martins and many other x-braced acoustics, it does not have any kind of bracing between the soundhole and bridge.
5. We probably cover more non-warranty issues under warranty than we deny.

Nodehopper, if it would make you feel better, we can do one of two things. You can send the guitar back to us for inspection or if you email me your location I can see if there is a service center near you that can take a look at it.

Thanks
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Post by: Geo on March 05, 2008, 03:33:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

Geo says this technician is worthless even though he doesn't know who it is. Why? Because the technician's opinion differs from his.

Guitar diagnosis and repair is NOT a matter of opinion. If one person says a guitar is okay and another says it's not - one of them is wrong. This isn't clay sculpture, open to interpretation - it's a mechanical device with specific design intentions.

Mike, if you read what that tech told Node - and it sounded reasonable to you - you're in the wrong job.
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
Hey Node, if you have a small mirror, place one in the sound hole angled back towards the bridge and snap a photo of it. I would be interested in seeing the underside. Thanks
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 03:55:54 PM
Hey Node, if you have a small mirror, place one in the sound hole angled back towards the bridge and snap a photo of it. I would be interested in seeing the underside. Thanks
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Post by: Mike Beatty on March 05, 2008, 04:03:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Geo

quote:
Originally posted by browndog

Geo says this technician is worthless even though he doesn't know who it is. Why? Because the technician's opinion differs from his.

Guitar diagnosis and repair is NOT a matter of opinion.


When you haven't seen the instrument in person it is definitely a matter of opinion.
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Post by: Geo on March 05, 2008, 04:42:22 PM
He gave a specific dimension of 1/8 low. I know where a top should be and I know how much variation is reasonable. You should too.
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Post by: strumsalot on March 05, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by browndog

It's difficult to judge whether there is a problem based on one picture. I feel the glare is emphasizing the break point on the top making it look worse than it really is.

The manufacturer says there is no problem. Although admittedly we haven't seen it in person.

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quote:
Originally posted by browndog

The construction of this guitar is a little diffrent from our standard acoustics. Like Martins and many other x-braced acoustics, it does not have any kind of bracing between the soundhole and bridge.

Originally posted by nodehopper

On mine the concave is in front of the bridge directly over the X in the X bracing....meaning there is significant support for the top in that area.

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Post by: nodehopper on March 05, 2008, 05:26:35 PM
Mike,

You seem very reasonable and good to deal with. I really appreciate your concern and all your communications with me regarding this matter. I already have a feeling that Washburn Customer Service is exceptional compared to so many experiences I have had with other companies.

I completely understand you are looking at an issue based on my description and a single picture. Yes the picture was taken to deliberately show something that is difficult to see. I think it captures the top of the guitar well, but then I have also seen the thing in person so it is hard for me to say.

The day I noticed this issue I used a dental mirror and looked inside and all the braces seem to be well attached to the top with no gaps or pulling away. The X bracing is directly underneath the depression with the center of the X about 1 inch inside the sound hole and about 3 inches from the bridge. I don't know why this area would be convex by 1/8 as was stated by Geo in another thread.....So the depression IS at max about 1/8 All the information about sunken tops that I saw showed the concave damage in the lower bout where there is generally less/ lighter bracing.

Mike ....as long as our correspondence can be added to my warranty registration which I did online yesterday. If anything happens in the long run Washburn will at least acknowledge that there was some sort of issue with it when I received it from the dealer and will work with me and either repair it or split the costs of repair....what ever so I am not left hanging. Then I will be satisfied. I know that you cannot know exactly what is up with it, but on the other hand I bought it in good faith and brought it to your attention there COULD be an issue. Just so you know I run a house humidifier at 45% RH 24/7/365 it helps my allergies and makes my guitars happy :-)

If you would feel more comfortable with a Washburn Tech looking at it and there is one close enough .. I would be glad to stop by for them to take a look. I don't really think I want to hassle sending it to Washburn unless you advise me to. Too much chance it will get smashed in transit.

Again Mike and Stacy....thank you ...thank you ...thank you for all your concern and communication. Please advise me if you want to pursue this more aggressively or if there is any more info I can provide. Just let me know!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

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Post by: mrboult on March 05, 2008, 05:47:41 PM
Node...

I am sorry that you are miss trusting peoples opinions, that sucks. May I just say that in my case I am not fighting any battles.

I have myself ordered one of these guitars, that should be arriving tomorrow, and if it were to arrive with any sort of bow/dip/warp I will honestly send it back straight away.

I am no guitar expert and I have only seen a photo of your guitar, but I've seen guitars become unplayable due to warping issues that worsen and I was just trying to warn you.

However, you do seem to have spoken to lots of people at Washburn and got the assurance and guarantees you need. I wish you the best of luck with your lovely 316.

Regards,
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Post by: nodehopper on March 05, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mrboult

Node...

I am sorry that you are miss trusting peoples opinions, that sucks. May I just say that in my case I am not fighting any battles.

I have myself ordered one of these guitars, that should be arriving tomorrow, and if it were to arrive with any sort of bow/dip/warp I will honestly send it back straight away.

I am no guitar expert and I have only seen a photo of your guitar, but I've seen guitars become unplayable due to warping issues that worsen and I was just trying to warn you.

However, you do seem to have spoken to lots of people at Washburn and got the assurance and guarantees you need. I wish you the best of luck with your lovely 316.

Regards,

James.
....The blues ain't nothin but a poor working man feelin' bad....



James...Thanks [:D] I think the only issue I have with you is our sigs....so is the blues a Good woman on your mind or is it a poor working man feelin' bad....  I will fight to the Death.....No. To the pain ......that it is a good woman on your mind....... LOL !!

I would be very interested to hear about your parlor when it shows up!! I think it is obvious that I would be interested in how the top looks on yours.....if you would be kind enough to look and let me know?

You will see why I love this little guitar .....so cool for finger picking.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: strumsalot on March 06, 2008, 10:04:50 AM
Node, I'm really sorry that you feel that you can't trust the information here. The tension among members has been a little high here lately, and I'm hopeful that is gonna change soon. Let me say that I am certain that no one here would give you misinformation out of spite or alternative motives, maybe ignorance[:D]. The knowledge of many of the posters here is top-notch.

It's just as naive to say there's NO problem as it is to say there IS a problem from one picture, measurement you gave excluded. If Mike says there's no problem and they'll cover the guit under warranty...that's great. Play and enjoy.

My question about your instincts was along the lines that you should trust them. You thought there may be something wrong, or you wouldn't have taken it to the tech or posted your concerns here. Something was telling you that it was not normal, and for the money these things are going for, I would want it to be darn-near perfect. Just like in all professions, I've seen good and bad, great guitar techs and not so great.

Bottom line, if your comfortable with your purchase enjoy the heck out of it. Give us a full review.

I apologize for all the hostility. None intended towards you if that's what you perceived.
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Post by: nodehopper on March 06, 2008, 11:30:41 AM
quote:
nogin007
Nodehopper, it's normal, from string tension, for a guitar to have a slight bulge below the bridge, and for the guitar to have a slight dip in the area above the bridge. Don't worry too much about your guitar.


This is my feeling. It could be that mine just has this in a more pronounced way.

Strumsalot - Thanks for your concern. I appreciate your post and no problem ....we are cool!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: thepimpdaddy on March 10, 2008, 05:05:21 PM
My 125th Anniversary Parlor acoustic arrived on Thursday last week, and I've been working with it to break it in and loosen it up since then, putting a lot of playing time on it.  

Have any of you noticed that the 1st high-E string, and the 6th low-E string tuning pegs are mounted not in perpendicular fashion in relation to the neck, but rather with a slight angle if viewed from the front, angling from the inside-headstock tuning peg channel divider DOWNWARD towards the outside edges of the headstock?  this angling of the tuning peg causes the string to want to wind to the outside, and will cause the high-E and low-E strings to bind against the headstock wood.

See the attached link, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310026936732 especially the headstock photo, to understand what I'm talking about.  I'd appreciate your opinions - A) this is a manufacturing defect in workmanship = the luthier should have set the tuning peg properly so that the high-E and low-E strings are NOT inclined to wind to the outside and thereby exacerbate the binding of the string against wood; OR B) this is normal, use your finger to force the string to wind to the inside as much as possible when you change strings, live with it.

The string binding against the wood causes some muffling of the string when played.

Needless to say, not clear from the pictures on the internet that this would be an issue - it merely looks like someone wound the strings to the outside incorrectly, causing the binding.  But when you try to wind the string correctly, you notice that cannot really be done because of the angle of the tuning peg as mounted in the headstock channel.  the string tends to wander toward the outside when winding . . .

PS - I love the playability, feel and tone of this guitar.  it was super stiff, and the top was stable like a block of slate when I first took it out of its case.  Now, the top is loosening up considerably, and it sounds much better, save the string-binding issue . . .

Thanks for any assistance you can give.

PD
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Post by: mrboult on March 12, 2008, 12:39:10 PM
PD.....

Your guitar appears to be normal, from looking at the ebay link. The strings should wind to the outside, and the wood will don't dampen the sound of the string since the contact is above the nut.

You certainly do not want them to wind onto the inside. That would create far too much of an angle in the string. The strings should be straight as possible, this is why the middle strings (D & G) wind onto the inside of the tuning pegs and outer strings to the outside of the tuning pegs.
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Post by: thepimpdaddy on March 12, 2008, 04:06:52 PM
Mrboult - Thanks for the reply.  Several things bother me about this setup.  First, the high-E string wants to wind to the outside so severely, that the E-string was actually embedded in the wood of the headstock when I received it and tuned it.  That seems wrong, completely wrong.  If you look at the headstock photo on the Ebay listing, both the high E and low E are digging into the wood, and as you might imagine, as you wind the strings, tune the guitar, those strings will ultimately cut right down into the wood of the headstock.  I cannot buy that this was how the guitar was designed to work?  Also, if the point is to have as straight a line as possible from nut to tuning peg, the low E and high E both make a significant bend to get around the headstock wood from nut to tuning peg.  Again, this seems not to be the way it should be - Strange, I received the same note from Washburn's CS, and it sounded just as implausible to me coming from him:

That’s how all of these guitars are. It’s suppose to be like that.

Tim McCarthy

Customer Service Rep.

800-877-6863 ext 5173

US Music Corp

444 E Courtland St.

Mundelein Il. 60060

 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Christopher
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:47 PM
To: CService
Subject: Workmanship problem with RW316SWKK 125th Anniversary Parlor guitar (208/250)

 

Hi - I received my new Parlor guitar last week after purchasing it new from a Washburn dealer on Ebay.  The guitar seems to play beautifully, except that the high E, and low E strings are binding badly against the headstock wood above the nut.  The tuning pegs appear to be tilted slightly in their mounts so that they are not perpendicular, but rather they slant from the headstock middle downwards toward the outside of the headstock.  This makes the string want to wind to the outside of each tuning peg, and that in turn causes the strings to bind against the headstock wood on the outside edge of the tuning peg channel in the headstock, above the nut.  Hopefully this makes sense to you.  In the attached link, you can look at the picture of the headstock, and see the binding that I'm talking about:  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310026936732.  To me, the incorrect angle of the tuning peg is visible in this photo.          <<Washburn headstock photo.jpg>>  

It looks like the strings are simply strung the wrong way, and that this is the reason the string binds on the outside.  But when I tried to rewind the string on the peg, it would not wind to the inside because of the angle of the tuning peg.  This causes some muffling/distortion of the high-E string especially, but more importantly, this seems to make this guitar one in need of repair to properly set the tuning peg in its hole, or reclassification of this guitar as other than first-quality.  Being as how this is a collectors limited edition instrument, I'm afraid that the value of the guitar will not be that of a first-quality instrument because of this apparent defect.

Don't get me wrong, I really like this guitar, it has a sweet sound and feel, and I am hoping to use it as a studio fingerpicking blues instrument.  But the strings exiting the string nut in the proper direction seems like a fundamental issue that needs to be right on this guitar.  Please contact me at once to discuss this matter.

Thanks!

Chris
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Post by: nodehopper on March 12, 2008, 05:02:47 PM
Hey P-Daddy,

I got mine a couple weeks ago and like you had some trepidations about my new baby. If you follow  this thread you can read all about it.

About the tuners.. I also had some difficulties with the same thing you are talking about. The pic of the headstock off your EBay auction looks just like mine so I don't think yours is some kind of one off error in production. I think this is how they are made for better or worse.

I had never strung a slot head before so I may not be telling you correct technique ...but it worked for me. I found it challenging.

I think there is a slim margin of error for excess string on the winding up to tension. Too much and it winds over too far and binds....obviously not enough windings is bad.

I also learned from a guitar tech who is also a performer not to make a knot or anything when installing the string on a regular non-slothead ...just slide the string through the hole in the peg head and wind a couple above the hole and then wind the rest below the hole. As the windings come together they will pinch the string and hold it....sorta like how a slip-know works.... this allows for very quick removal when having to replace during a performance...no untangling that sorta loop back knot thing so many guitar books tell people to use.

With my Washie Parlor I just did the same sort of thing... while winding and there isn't any tension ...just taking up slack I wound a couple on the far side of the hole then the remainder I crossed over toward the direction it was wanting to go. this gave me a couple windings away from where it wanted to pinch and then I manually pushed the remainder of the winds away from where it would pinch.

This seemed to keep the string away from the wood on the side. Does that make any sense?? Of course if you allow too much excess string it will just go into the side and bind no matter what.

Hope that helps ...hope that makes sense!

Well ...I do really love the sound of this little honey. I do think the Q/A may be a little slack. The dip in my top is still the same...no changes and I keep it at 45% relative humidity in my house.

I have a Gibson the cost 3 times what this parlor cost and while they definitely have different sounding voices ....I think I like them almost equally.



Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: Mike Beatty on March 13, 2008, 08:25:23 AM
I'm not sure I follow what you're asking about. The tuning machine plate is parallel to the side angle of the headstock which makes the tuning pegs angle down. This is normal.

Take a look at the following website which explains how to restring to avoid the problem you're having.

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/Guitar/Setup/SteelStrings/Stringing/slotheadstr1.html

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Post by: nodehopper on March 13, 2008, 10:39:22 AM
Thanks Mike !!!

Yes that tutorial makes sense. Great Info!! It is obvious you just can't have too much extra string to wind around the tuner.

P-Daddy - here is what mine looks like just so you know that this is the way they are supposed to be!

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/sands4us/slothead.jpg)


Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165                                  

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: 1 Cal on March 13, 2008, 01:44:43 PM
Mike's  link (http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/Guitar/Setup/SteelStrings/Stringing/slotheadstr1.html) is spot on. Here's my R308S (strung as advised [more or less]):

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj25/DetailFreak/R308S_Stringing-1-1.jpg)

I would only wind on a load of extra string if I intended doing work on the guitar (requiring string removal or loosening).  When all I intend to do is change strings next time round I'll keep absolute minimum string on the roller (as per FRETS.COM advice).  (Notice how NO strings are rubbing against the wood of the headstock.)

BTW, about the only thing I don't like about my R308S is the cheap tuners with the nasty (classic style) thick plastic rollers [fine for nylon strings but not so clever for steels].
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Post by: onewilyfool on March 13, 2008, 03:34:23 PM
Browndog, thanks for the link.....good info....next time I change strings......lol.....Keep pluckin guys and gals...

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Post by: Mojo8 on March 14, 2008, 12:14:26 PM
Hey Everyone, I'm to the site, but not guitars.
I just picked up a Rosewood model and it sounds great!
Just wanted to thank everyone for their info/views/opinions
about this guitar and guitars in general.

Question: Washburn site has the tuners as 'Classic(al?) Gold'.
My tuners are silver. From the pics, it looks like everyone has silver, but I
could be wrong. Does anyone have gold tuners?

Mojo8
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Post by: onewilyfool on March 14, 2008, 12:42:53 PM
silver here
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Post by: guitarslim on March 30, 2008, 07:56:40 AM
Hey All, Came to the forum because of the 125th Anniversary RK316 parlor guitar.

My new Trembesi model should be here later this week. I am getting one based on everyones writing here. You all seem pretty excited about this model! I have been looking for an affordable, good quality, 12 fret slothead, X braced, solid wood parlor (that really looked vintage) for quite a while (Whew!! Mouthful). I never thought it would happen. This thing looked perfect, the V neck and coffin case sold it (the low numbers thing is cool too) I'm not too big on lotso binding and inlay but at this price who can complain ( it's not too bad either). Not too fussy on the bridge either, but I'll live.

I play lots of acoustic blues gigs and gypsy jazz gigs but the only acoustic I have that has a pick-up is a '41 Epiphone Zenith archtop - which is great :) for doing both styles if you are gonna have just one guitar. But.... I am mad for tiny guitars and the only other thing I have that is similar is a Larson Brothers Maurer parlor (Brazilian Rosewood back and sides) that is a little too precious to put a pick-up in and start gigging around with (I think it might be the best guitar in the world- no joke).

So I'm very excited! I think this thing is gonna be killin'... and I really am thankful you folks put all this info up here. I'm a lefty so the first thing I'm gonna do is fill the bridge slot and cut a new on for lefty intonation... when that is done I'll put up some snaps and maybe a clip on Youtube. I'm surprised nobody has a clip up yet for this guitar! come on guys:)

Talk soon y'all.
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Post by: onewilyfool on March 30, 2008, 05:31:59 PM
I've got a pic of an original 1800's Washburn that has the same bridge. They also send you a catalogue where you can see that bridge on some other models....so it is authentic in a sense....you will LOVE this guitar for blues.....congradulations on your new parlor....
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Post by: Mojo8 on March 31, 2008, 03:43:56 PM
Hey Guitarslim!

Congrats on your new Washburn. I picked one up a few weeks ago and have been playing it ever since.. to the dismay of my other guitars. The sound you'll get from the Washburn will remind you of the old juke-joints. I tuned down a half-step, and the guit sounds even older!
It's also nice to see another Epi owner on here. I have a 1935 Epiphone Olympic myself!

Mrboult, sorry the 125th anniversary wasn't as versatile as you wanted... that's why I have multiple guitars! Different sound for what I need!

Keep playin' everyone!

--Mojo8
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Post by: nodehopper on March 31, 2008, 04:17:35 PM
Congrats guitarslim on the parlor!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by mrboult


 For some reason I only like owning one guitar at a time. . . . don't ask!

James.




Your attitude sickens and disgusts me [:D][:D] I find this offensive and simply wrong on too many levels to even comment. [;)][;)]

I would now start with the childish name calling and insults, but your post has made me feel woozy and I think I need to go lay down and compose myself !!  [:D]

I definitely won't ask because just my luck as I was reading your reply my Wife would read it over my shoulder and I am sure she would agree with what ever heinous reasoning you posted.

LOL !!!!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: mrboult on March 31, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
He he.... OK I suppose I should nip this in the bud before I get hate mail.  

I understand why people want an arsenal of guitars really I do. And part of me wants it too. I understand the idea of having a wealth of different sounds to chose from.

However I lean towards the idea of having, loving, holding, stroking one single love of my life guitar that will rest by my side for eternity. A guitar that is more a family member than an instrument.

An awesome guitar player can play anything he wants on any guitar and make it sweet. One day I hope to be an awesome guitar player, and for me it's just about finding the right girl for the journey.

As for the 125th parlor I sent back. . . I think my problem is that I am having trouble accepting the fact that I have already found my true love.
I loved the parlor I really did, but side by side with my guitar I had to chose one, I didn't want both of them, and my old L-00 style guitar had to be kept. I play mostly folk in alternate tunings and for this she is sweet as hell, but she also strums great and now I am starting the blues she's holding her own there too.

I want one guitar and lots of women, not the other way round. he he. .
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Post by: Mojo8 on March 31, 2008, 05:14:18 PM
I understand your concept MrBoult... I just like kids... hence the big family.

On another note:

Node, you think you're wife will agree to this?

I want one guitar and lots of women, not the other way round. he he. .

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Post by: nodehopper on March 31, 2008, 05:45:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mojo8


On another note:

Node, you think you're wife will agree to this?

I want one guitar and lots of women, not the other way round. he he. .


Hmmmmm ......if she did I would seriously have to consider selling a few guitars. Of course it seems to be a lot easier and less of a headache  to have more than one guitar

[:D]

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: guitarslim on March 31, 2008, 07:23:28 PM
Hey Y'all,

  Glad to see your all still interested in the RK316. Where my post was the first one in two weeks I thought you might have lost interest.

  Mr Boult... great post on youtube... It really lets me get an idea of what i'm getting at the end of the week. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be happy. Twenty three hits already... looks like I'm not the only one who wanted to hear the parlour. I have to ask though... whats with the one guitar??? What is the one guitar??

  I bought two in the last week and still can't stop looking :) I just can't help it... I'm lefty and growing up isolated meant a life of butchering righties to play. When I got a computer seven years ago I was overcome with greed and have not stopped since. The net has been very good to lefties!! The nice thing about having a bunch of guitars is that you can forgive their shortcomings a lot easier. I've now got enough that I can't remember all their shortcomings :)

    Onewilyfool.... as to the bridge.... it's good to know it is period correct... I'm a bit of a stickler for that kind of stuff - hence me not digging the fretboard inlay too much. I'm amazed I've never seen a Washburn with that kind of bridge before - sometimes I can't believe there is something that I have not seen and then all of a sudden there is a plethora of new stuff to torture my soul with. Hence the RK316 is I think number thirty (not including the 15-20 bad ones).

Seriously though mrboult.. the video was a major fix:)
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Post by: mrboult on April 01, 2008, 12:17:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by guitarslim

 I have to ask though... whats with the one guitar??? What is the one guitar??




Well guitarslim, she is at the shop at the moment having a fret problem solved but when she's back I'll show you, maybe post another vid now that I have discovered how to do so.


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Post by: onewilyfool on April 01, 2008, 01:37:50 PM
Guitarslim......Here is that pic of the original Washburn 1889 R-108 (also featured in the catalogue that comes with the R-316) Note: this is the model that the R-308S Washburn was modeled after  (which I also own, groan..lol), but for some reason they didn't use the historically correct bridge, like they did on the R-316. Nice shape for a guitar that is 119 years old, wouldn't you say?

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u203/onewilyfool/Washburn-1889R308.jpg)


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Post by: donny341 on April 01, 2008, 05:34:52 PM
Oh, man, I'm gonna drown in my drool! She is one beautiful babe, Wily. So pristine and she speaks to you when you ask her to every time [;)]
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Post by: Gasman on April 02, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
Hi Folks - This is my first post here. I just ordered a Parlor this week - Hope it is a nice as the reviews here. I am really diggin the relic look. Well when it arrives I will post my review/ can't wait.
Thanks - Ken
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Post by: Gasman on April 05, 2008, 04:42:58 PM
Trembesi!
Actually its a Indonisia Oak
TREMBESI TANDUK: We started using this recently and are very pleased with it. Found in dry, calcium–rich areas, these trees grow in harsh environments and seem to be sturdier because of it, just like human beings born in a hard environment! Trembesi Tanduk features a prominent grain and a strong texture, dark-brown in color
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Post by: Rockette on April 05, 2008, 06:56:02 PM
Trembesi is a Rain Tree. We've got one in our back yard.
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Post by: Gasman on April 05, 2008, 07:03:30 PM
Well I guess you can't believe everything you read.
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Post by: Gasman on April 05, 2008, 07:29:53 PM
Trembesi back!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/Mythotto/t_back.jpg)
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Post by: nodehopper on April 06, 2008, 09:25:08 AM
Beautiful grain and warm color.....very nice!

I have to admit that when I had the choice on my Parlor I selected the Rosewood. It was partially because I knew nothing about Trembesi (even a Google search gave very little info about this wood as it works with guitars) and secondly I just didn't have a Rosewood Guitar (one Maple, one Hog, and one laminate Wild Cherry) and wanted to get something in Rosewood before it is gone or becomes too expensive.

So it looks great, but how does it sound? Can you get a sense on the tone of this wood from your parlor?

How do you like your Washburn Parlor over all?

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: Gasman on April 06, 2008, 08:00:38 PM
Hey Steve - That's not my guitar but I should have mine on Tuesday. I will post a review then.
Ken
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 07, 2008, 05:07:18 PM
WOW>....nice grain....congrads gasman
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Post by: nodehopper on April 07, 2008, 05:40:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gasman

Hey Steve - That's not my guitar but I should have mine on Tuesday. I will post a review then.
Ken



We can never know about the days to come
But we think about them anyway
And I wonder if I'm really with you now
Or just chasing after some finer day.

Anticipation......... Anticipation..........Is making me late.....Is keeping me waiting. - Carly Simon

No...I don't think it is wrong for you to sing a love song about the guitar you are waiting for.... LOL !!!


Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 08, 2008, 12:06:39 PM
Hey Node.....maybe we should get one of those Trembesi guitars....that is nice grain....one of each...rosewood and trembesi...what do you say? lol
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Post by: nodehopper on April 08, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool

Hey Node.....maybe we should get one of those Trembesi guitars....that is nice grain....one of each...rosewood and trembesi...what do you say? lol



I will do it if you can come up with a way to convince my Wife!!! LOL [:D]

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 08, 2008, 09:18:55 PM
Node...when it comes to convincing wives....I am NOT the one to talk to......lol
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 13, 2008, 10:06:49 PM
Hey....since I am the originator of this thread....I thought I would do a little update on the guitar. The other night my wife wanted to try to sign a song called Sway made most famous by Dean Martin I guess. I Figured out the chords in Gm-Dm-A-A7- Dm, then chorus C-F-A-Bflat-A.....nice little song, but I did all the chords in Barre form, moving up and down the neck so I could get that percusive latin sound. This guitar is NOT a great guitar for barre chords.....lol....with that V neck, it really tired my hands out. Now I must admit I played all these chords in barre.....so I was asking for it....but still.....I was mostly playing blues on this thing and it was perfect. Just a heads up for all you want to buyers.....
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 18, 2008, 02:23:31 PM
I'm going to a Jam this weekend.....we'll see how the little Washburn holds up against the other guitars...lol.....wish me luck
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Post by: Gasman on April 19, 2008, 06:14:09 AM
I have had my Parlor for a week now. Without a doubt one of the coolest guitars I ever owned/ very unique. I have owned a bunch of high end parlors in my day. And I have to say this is my favorite - but to be honest the price factor had allot to do with this opinion. I also posted a review in guitar central. I just love the old feel and look of this guitar. Washburn did a very nice job!
Ken
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Post by: Gasman on April 19, 2008, 03:07:41 PM
The new Guy!-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/Mythotto/DSCF0002-10.jpg)
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Post by: Gasman on April 19, 2008, 03:09:26 PM
Back shot-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/Mythotto/DSCF0003-9.jpg)
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Post by: Gasman on April 19, 2008, 09:35:10 PM
Hey Wiley---How did the jam go?
Ken
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Post by: onewilyfool on April 20, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
Hey Gasman....congradulations.....nice guitar....great finish on yours. Jam is later tonight, but weather is bad here so we may have to reschedule. I have also played a lot of Parlors and high end parlors, this one is by FAR the most fun. You have to throw in a lot of $100's to get a better sounding one than this!!! Have fun, play til your fingers bleed!!!
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Post by: Gasman on April 21, 2008, 03:13:14 PM
Thanks Wiley!-- I am really diggin this guitar/ its a keeper. Let us know how your jam goes? And the comments from other players about you parlor. Ken
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Post by: nodehopper on May 02, 2008, 04:42:14 PM
Well, the not so good news update on my Washburn Parlor is that last night I began to hear a buzz coming from the top of the guitar. I slacked the strings and felt around inside at the  bracing where I heard the buzzing and believe I have now found a loose brace and when light pressure is applied to the top near the brace it creaks and moves significantly. I now believe the dip in the soundboard is a defect and not just normal movement of the top.

The dip or depression in the soundboard is the way I received it upon purchase. I keep a humidifier running 24/7 in my home and maintain a 40-45% Relative Humidity. The EBay seller I bought the guitar from explicitly told me he was an Authorized Washburn Dealer as I specifically asked. I brought this to Customer Service attention immediately upon noticing this condition.

I am trying to say that I feel I have done everything appropriately and in good faith for my part and I hope this will be covered fully under warranty.

Here is my from memory drawing of what I felt inside and where the buzz was coming from:

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/sands4us/parlor_.jpg)

So I will try and keep you Washie Parlor guys updated on how this goes for me. I am going to assume the best from Washburn. So far Stacy and Mike have been good in what they have said to me and are sending an RMA so I can ship it to them.

I guess I need to apologize to anyone I may have upset. It was a difficult time for this entire forum when I was posting about this and I think there was a strong denial on my part. I really like this little guitar and just was hoping more than thinking that it wasn't anything and would be OK.

Hey onewilyfool..... I was told there is a Washburn Dealer in SF....if you wanted to pick it up from me when you are in Sac visiting your family and drop it off for me .... :-) Would save on the whole shipping risk ordeal!!


Stephen

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on May 07, 2008, 08:18:28 PM
Node.....brace yourself for my reply.....lol...sorry to hear about the problems, I'm pretty sure that Washburn will make good on your guitar. You are pretty well documented in here about the problem, AND even the Washburn staff have replied to your concerns on this forum. It would be unwise for them to have an unhappy customer after all the discussion that went down on your guitar. I trust they will take care of you. Sorry you had to let her go, but this or something better will come your way, I'm sure....let us know how it works out!!!!
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Post by: onewilyfool on May 07, 2008, 08:20:48 PM
by the way, I hope you are not planning to quit your day job for a career in art????!!!!!
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Post by: nodehopper on May 08, 2008, 03:51:14 PM
onewilyfool....unfortunately my drawing skills are even better than my guitar playing :-(

So the poor little parlor with the dip in the top and buzzing and loose brace was just shipped off to Washburn via an RMA.

To tell you how addicted I am to these little anniversary parlors.....I just bought a Trembesi one from SameDayMusic.com.

What can I say....the thought of being with out mine was too much. So now I will have a Trembesi and Rosewood Brother and Sister once I get the repaired one back from Washburn. I started considering the idea and after looking around and only finding a couple even available, I figured I had better get one before it was too late. Glad I did cause I looked around online today and there are none to be found in stock !

So I will be crossing my fingers that Washburn Customer Service will do me right and in a while I will have a pair of parlors. When I get it back from Washburn I will be able to do a rosewood vs. trembesi side by side test to see how much of an effect the B&S tone wood matters to the sound of a guitar.

Will keep everyone advised how it goes re: the warranty return.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on May 11, 2008, 02:21:52 PM
Hey Stephen.....did you get your Trembesi yet???? Let us know what the difference is between identical guitars with different woods....
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Post by: Stumblin on June 04, 2008, 10:43:21 AM
Me and a few other guys here in town bought an R316 each about six months ago.
Overall, I'm very pleased with mine. I play it every day.
However, the frets seem to be wearing out quite fast. A mate of mine has one and he's got some pretty deep notches worn into the first three frets of the second string. I've got a little notch in the first fret, second string.This seems like more wear than the length of playing time really warrants. Nobody wants to re-fret a guitar after so short a time. My R306 has nothing like that amount of wear, and I've been playing the heck out of that one for a good few years.
Has anyone else found that the frets on these models are less durable than you might like?
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Post by: Rockette on June 04, 2008, 10:52:36 AM
Are you using a capo and leaving it on for extended periods? That'll leave a notch in softer fretwire. Capos should always be removed when not in use. Capo users also should eventually refret using stainless steel fretwire.
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Post by: Stumblin on June 04, 2008, 01:03:55 PM
Using a capo, yes. Leaving it on, no. But what you say makes a lot of sense.
I'll pass this advice on to the guys. Thanks.
Any other possible causes?
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Post by: Rockette on June 04, 2008, 01:29:04 PM
If you're using a screw-clamp type capo, use minimum pressure to do the job. Capo only needs just enough force to bring strings to fretwire--anything more is damaging force.
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Post by: onewilyfool on June 04, 2008, 05:24:15 PM
I just noticed that my frets are flattening also, and I am NOT a big time player.....looks like some inferior metal was used.....wonder how Washburn is going to handle this?????
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Post by: villafranc on June 12, 2008, 07:42:22 PM
I posted my impressions of this guitar on a different thread (http://www.washburn.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12883), but figured I'd add pics of my 125th (it's of the rosewood variety) to this thread. More pics can be seen here:http://pruff.com/washburn125th/. I can't stop playing this bad boy!

(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3367.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3373.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3372.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3376.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3374.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3381.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3370.jpg)
(http://pruff.com/washburn125th/images/IMG_3391.jpg)

Enjoy!
Sean (villafranc)
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Post by: Pike on June 12, 2008, 08:12:40 PM
Very cool Washburn Sean, thanks for the pics.
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Post by: villafranc on June 12, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
No problem, Pike! Along with the usual front and back pics, I wanted to post a few shot at different angles than what were already shown on this thread for others to enjoy.

-----

Looks aside, does anyone know how the 125th parlor compares to the Blueridge BR-361 parlor (http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/details.asp?ProductID=BR-361), tone-wise? Both have similar specs and are under $1k, so I was curious.

I think I read that the Blueridge has a slight v-shape neck. To me, what truly sets the 125th apart from other modern guitars is its sharp v-shaped neck -- I absolutely love it!

- Sean
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Post by: ship of fools on June 12, 2008, 11:04:55 PM
Nice pics Sean, I think the Blueridge neck is pretty smooth to play, but I think your 125th is much nicer,( how can you tell I love Washburns )mind you the Blueridge is a nice guitar to and is a ton of fun to play, but I myself love the old look of the 125 and from what I have seen written its sound like its fun to jam with, so I guess you'll just have to buy the BR and compare the two for us.louis..and hey welcome aboard[:D]

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Post by: onewilyfool on June 13, 2008, 01:34:07 PM
Hey Sean...congradulations.....nice Guit. (and nice pics, how do you get your pics to come out so well?????) I did play the Blueridge, and was not that impressed. The one I played had already had it tuners replaced, and NOTE: Blueridge warranty is only 12 months. Sound wise, the Washburn beats it in my HO.
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Post by: domh333 on June 16, 2008, 02:29:52 AM
Just wanted to let all you guys now, I bought 157th model of the 125th Anniversary Parlor, had two in the shop to choose from, this one had a less angled neck, felt good.
Not stopped playing it.
I have a nice Martin, & Takamine, a Gretsch & a yamaha, all great guitars. But the main difference is that this one inspires you to play it. It has a great sound looks incredible.
As a songwriter/ performer, anything that inspires is a good thing. If you play , then get one while you can, Im so glad I did, this post was very helpful before i purchased min.
Dominic Halpin
Guitar Slinger
www.dominichalpin.com

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Post by: ship of fools on June 16, 2008, 09:20:58 AM
Great music there Dominic, I love the swing era and its great to play after playing Rock for 40 years thanks for sharing your site and glad you love your Washburn and you're right anything that inspires folks to play is a great thing, especially when you have been playing for a while, we all have those ocasional dry spots.louis

Millenium Brigade
Rover Brigade
Another WAGJammer
Timbercraft Brigade J52SW
D78-SW
and other great sounding and playing guitars
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Post by: sixstringsinger on June 16, 2008, 04:03:09 PM
hey parlor guys, sixstringsinger here making my debut, first time doing this kinda thing. just got in my washburn trembesi model #107. amazing little guitar! i got mine off ebay, $578 including shipping. i've been a bass player for too many years and got into the folk solo thing. i'm not a great finger picker, but this bad boy is helping out greatly. i've been following this thread, which promted me to purchase and nobody, i don't think, has commented on the scent, what do you guys think?
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Post by: onewilyfool on June 16, 2008, 05:45:33 PM
Domh.....I agree with you, guitars, music, playing, should all be inspiring. And I agree with you about the R316, congradulations on your new one!!! (Dom, have you ever considered a Rickenbacker??? would go well with the type of music you play, lol)

Sixstringsinger.....congrads on yours....I've said this before, the only problem I have with this guitar is if there are a lot of Barre chords in the song. That V neck (which is really comfortable most of the time) does hurt my thumb....lol...but I can live with it....have fun playing!!!!
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Post by: nodehopper on June 17, 2008, 02:36:56 PM
I received my Wahsburn Parlor back from Washburn

First off I want to thank Stacy for all his help with this warranty issue. He followed up and he did a great job.

Now I will say that my opinion of Washburn as a whole is:  Just Adequate.

The loose brace has been fixed and seems to have been taken care of. The dip in the top that was the first clue that my parlor was not right .....well....it is still basically there. I guess it looks a little bit less bowl-like, but the top still doesn't look right. I included my terrible drawing showing the dip and all the email threads in my RMA paperwork I sent with the guitar.

Thus my opinion of the Washburn warranty repair as being just adequate. They did fix the loose brace. Washburn did as they were required.


Maybe in fixing the brace the Washburn Luthier tried to make the top more structurally sound? I don't know. (This is part of my disappointment...I have no idea what was done) The RMA ticket only said to fix a loose brace. If the Luthier (who was described to me as over qualified) did take the time to make the top structurally sound, but maybe not cosmetically perfect....well...I could live with that and feel good that the guitar will last. Again I don't know and when I asked Stacy he said Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to communicate with the technician as much as I would like to have to determine what he’s been doing with it, I will try to. Rest assured though, it should be great, our ‘repair tech’, is really a Master Luthier who is very overqualified for his position.

Upon a second email to Stacy asking for more information about what was done to assure me that this issue has been completely taken are of ....the response was a simple The bracing was repaired...........I wouldn’t anticipate any further problems with the guitar........

I don't blame Stacy as it just seems that the Washburn system doesn't include any detailed notes and a lack of communication on what was done to a warranty repair.

Again....the warranty repair seems adequate, but I am left wondering and a bit disappointed the Dip in the top is still there.

Secondly is the fret wear issue that has been brought up. When I received my Rosewood parlor back I looked at the frets and there is some pretty significant fret wear on a guitar I have played for only a few months. There is also some wear on my Trembesi that I have had for 6 weeks. hmmmm. With the reports of others having this fret wire issue, I am assuming it is just poor quality materials.


Well.... I guess I have to say I am just a bit underwhelmed with the Washburn company. They are so close to being a great guitar manufacturer, yet my experience seems to indicate the company as a whole doesn't want to add the little bit extra to make them great.

This Parlor is a wonderful instrument and could draw in many new loyal customers, but I have to say that I will probably pass on Washburn in the future. With the poor communication from the repair group...I will probably just go to a local luthier and have my frets redone in a year when they start developing issues. At least I can be sure of what is done and get it set up to my taste.

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: Rocket on June 17, 2008, 02:59:33 PM
It's still under warranty.
If you're not satisfied with the just adequate repair of a defect attributable to workmanship, send it back or return to where you bought it for a full refund.
A customer MUST be completely satisfied with a purchase.
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Post by: onewilyfool on June 17, 2008, 08:04:45 PM
Node....I am also getting pre-mature wear on my Parlor.....and am not sure what to do. Are there any other's out there with fretwear problems???? I'm with Rocket, if the problem hasn't been fixed then need to fix it or replace it.....I don't know if there are any 316's out there....but there is a new model, the 314, which is similar that could be a replacement.....good luck Node....
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Post by: villafranc on June 29, 2008, 07:31:56 PM
I've been checking eBay lately and noticed that the R316's are no longer showing up, so I'm really really glad I snagged my rosewood one when I did.

R318's have now been popping up on the 'bay, but do not seem to use solid woods on the sides and back and only offer them in Trembesi. Because of this, they are lower in price. The necks look super-nice and are a bit more fancy than the 316's. Strangely, this model doesn't show up on washubrn.com. Odd.

Anyone get a chance to play one of these?

http://tinyurl.com/3q8t8z
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Post by: ramblin on June 30, 2008, 07:05:27 AM
good day everybody! i'm one of the 'guys' stumblin mentioned who purchased one of these lovely R316s in (i think) February. Lovely instrument, great look, feel and tone. However, my fretwear is almost unbelievable to say ive had it less than 6 months. Sure, i play it alot, and i really PLAY it at times, but most of the time i like to think im quite delicate with my touch and i spend a fair bit of time working on some Jazz stuff on a seperate guitar so its hardly like its being played ALL the time.
The wear occurs mainly on the first and second strings (e/b) and on the 2nd string in particular it is now noticeable right up to the 7th fret. From frets 1-4 it looks as if i may aswell have placed a flathead screwdriver on the metal there and given it a few taps with a hammer, and all this within 5 months using light strings... what's a man to do here? I left myself destitute just to buy the guitar, so theres no way i'll be paying a luthier to replace the fretwire anytime soon.
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Post by: onewilyfool on June 30, 2008, 10:41:33 AM
Haven't tried that one....there is also a 314 in Koa.....I guess the first run was so successful, that they did a few more....
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Post by: Stumblin on July 09, 2008, 10:09:27 AM
Ramblin's fret wear is way worse than mine, and far more serious than it ought to be for a guitar bought new earlier this year.
I'm a bit of a newbie here, and am not sure whether anyone has had any response from Washburn about these fret issues. Have they made any public comment about it?
I'm still deeply enamoured of my 316, but worried about the need for a re-fret job. Is that likely to be an expensive do?
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Post by: nodehopper on July 09, 2008, 12:13:59 PM
OneWilyFool has had some correspondence with Washburn Customer Service regarding this issue. I am not going to try and repeat third hand what he found out. I would probably say something wrong and I may not be up to current on the discussions.

I would suggest sending him a PM. I know he has said he feels his posts here have probably encouraged many of us to buy one of these parlors and he feels a bit responsible. I think Wily is hoping to get a number of those with fret wear issues to use our numbers to encourage Washburn to make this right.

I hope I haven't mis-spoke here. Again PM onewilyfool

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 09, 2008, 02:24:55 PM
I did contact Browndog, and he told me to take it to a service center, by the way NODE.....there is one near Sacremento (which is the closest to me) , otherwise, send it off with a RMA to Chicago for them to look at. Seems to me that they would probably only fix the ones with wear, (first three or four frets) and leave the others. So I would be stuck with shipping, and the problem would only resurface after a while on the remaining frets. This problem seems to be very common with these guitars, based on the comments I have seen, and people getting in touch with me......rather than Washburn admitting that Indonesia used inferior fret wire, and fixing all the frets, I don't see what can be done....maybe if we get together as a group. I have had my Martin for over 10 years and play it constantly and there is NO fret wear yet?????!!!!!!! I'm not trying to compare an indonesian made guitar to a Martin, however the fret wire is WAY too soft and there seems to be a universal problem. Some of you payed $500 for yours, but I was one of the first ones in, and ordered mine through a local dealer, and payed full frieght ($770), so if I have to personally get these frets fixed on my own dime, I will be extremely pissed.....lol.....but such is life.....I'm hoping that BROWNDOG actually steps up and comments on this problem that is obviously not an isolated problem for buyers of this guitar.......
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Post by: Rocket on July 09, 2008, 03:09:37 PM
Are those that are having this early fret wear issue using capos and leaving the capo installed for long periods of time?
What is the fretwire material... has anyone determined yet?... That must be some soft wire!
Anybody have some pics of the problem that we can all see?
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Post by: Mike Beatty on July 09, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
I've spoken to the product manager and we've looked in to this issue. The fret wire that is used on the R316 is the same fretwire used on many of our other products manufactured in the same factory and we've had no problem with them. As well, we've had no complaints about premature fret wear other than here on the forum. That being said, any forum member who has had fret wear within 6 months of the date of purchase can contact us for an RMA and we will evaluate teh guitar for possible repair. Within the USA, please call 1-800-877-6863 outside of the US, please contact the distributor in your country.

Thank you
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 09, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
So Mike....If I go to the service center in San Francisco.....will they just fix the frets that show wear or all the frets? I don't want this problem coming back to get me on the other frets?
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Post by: Stumblin on July 10, 2008, 03:29:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

Are those that are having this early fret wear issue using capos and leaving the capo installed for long periods of time?


What is this obsession with capos? That's at least the second time capo use has been deployed as an excuse in this thread.
I've been playing the guitar for twenty-five years, and have used capos all that time. This kind of fret wear has never happened on any of my other guitars. Remember, this R316 parlour is only about six months old, no amount of evasive corporate-lawyerly whining about capos is going to convince me that there isn't a problem with the fret wire material used on this model.
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Post by: Rocket on July 10, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
Lighten up! It was just a question... not an excuse. Don't get so defensive. Nobody accused anyone of any wrongdoing. I'm not a corporate lawyer, (or even close!)
If really soft fretwire is used and a capo is left on, it will indent the wire. If stainless steel fretwire is used, one can leave a capo on forever and it won't make a mark... still not an excuse. Just trying to figure out the reason.
That's all.
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Post by: magoo99 on July 10, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
This also happened to a friend of mine on his Tack, It was 8mths old.
The luthier that replaced the wires and two frets said it was caused by the CAPO.
I Use a capo on my washy all the time and try not to but sometimes leave it on for half a set till I pick it up again. its a 2000 model and I have never had any trouble with it.
so as rocket stated that soft fret wire maybe the problem.
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 10, 2008, 12:04:21 PM
Well...for certain, I do NOT use a capo....all the fret wear is on the usual first three frets, only 5-10 years early......Mike has not answered my question about whether they will fix all the frets or just the ones affected at this time.....I hate it when corporations side step responsibility......
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Post by: wrmurphy on July 10, 2008, 12:59:37 PM
Wiley, this isn't the only issue Washburn has decided to sidestep. I've corresponded since June about whether my EA20SDL has the BuzzFeiten tuning system. This is one of its selling points. At first I was assured it had the system and when I told them that it didn't have the characteristics described by Buzz Feiten, they said the company ran out of labels. I went to 2 luthiers, one a Buzz Feiten authorized dealer. I was told by both that they didn't think the Buzz Feiten system was not on my guitar. I informed Washburn of this 1-1/2 weeks ago, no reply. I assume I'm in the, ignore him, he'll go away, mode now.As I understand, my EA20SDL is not the only one out there thats in question.
All I want is for Washburn to send me to an authorized dealer, locally, to have them assess the system on my guitar and assure me I have what they advertized is on my guitar. I'm just short of caaling this an untruth in advertizing
So Wiley and others with the fret problem, don't hold your breath to get your problem solved soon.

Murph
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Post by: nodehopper on July 10, 2008, 02:43:29 PM
I will try tonight to get some pics of the fret wear on my parlors...Perhaps if we start adding pics showing the wear along with date of purchase and maybe an estimate of hours played....it might make a strong case for us.

wrmurphy - you might try contacting BuzzFeiten directly. I am sure they would like to be notified if a company is advertising and getting money for their system with out it complying to their standards. It seems to me BuzzFeiten would be concerned about their name and reputation and I am sure they would have more clout with Washburn than you seem to at this time.


Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: magoo99 on July 10, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
Don't know if this fits here or not but,  I have a question...I have a DM2000sce and it states that it is # 304 of 560..Do this mean that only 560 of these guitars were built or do it mean that this many were built for this certain distributor and there maybe more of this model?

and I don't beleive this makes the guitar worth any more than if there were more built, would I be right or wrong in thinking this.
I could see if a upper priced Gibson was a lim edition it would be worth more, but mid/lower priced guitars, I just can't see it making a difference.
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 10, 2008, 03:38:24 PM
Magoo.....I'm not sure of your guitar.....but when I bought my R316 I was assured that only 250 would be made........then I found out, that 250 of Trembesi and 250 of Rosewood would be made.....since they were successful.....NOW they come out with the R318 and the R314 with the same 125th Anniversary on the fretboard.....wow....my collectable has now become watered down with a bunch of look alikes....lol....will it ever cease......Still no answer from Mike Beatty (browndog) regarding whether they will replace all frets on my guitar........
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Post by: Mike Beatty on July 10, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
onewilyfool,
Noone is side stepping responsibility. As I stated yesterday, anyone wishing to return their instrument for evaluation is welcome to contact us for a Return Authorization number. To the best of my knowledge, no one has done so yet. As far as what will be done, that will be detrmined on an individual case basis. We need to actually see the problem before we can solve the problem.

wrmurphy -- I was unaware that your issue was unresolved. PLease contact me in private and we will take care of you.

Thank you
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Post by: ramblin on July 11, 2008, 05:07:42 AM
ok, so forgive me for being slightly stupid here but...who would i contact in England about this? The talk of getting an RMA and posting it to Chicago scared me a little, i'd be quite happy for Washburn to fly me with the guitar to Chicago [:D] but certainly not to post it off there all on its lonesome, so im assuming there are the same facilities for inspection/repair within the UK?

On the price note, i think it was Wily saying he paid $750 - try it here in the UK mate, $500 paid = $989 paid, would have never happened in the days of Empire! rar

I'll try and take some pics today and upload them so people can see just whats happenin

Ramblin'
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Post by: ramblin on July 11, 2008, 05:10:42 AM
oops, RMA? i meant RAN [8D]
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Post by: Mike Beatty on July 11, 2008, 08:08:35 AM
Ramblin' please contact the dealer from whom you purchased the guitar. They will work with the UK distributor.
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 11, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
Browndog.....when you say RMA...it means I have to pay for the shipping and insurance back to Chicago???? (say 50 bucks?) Or Can I take this to the service center in San Feancisco and they can repair it or ship it for me??? Thanks
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Post by: Stumblin on July 12, 2008, 04:44:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket

Lighten up! It was just a question... not an excuse. Don't get so defensive. Nobody accused anyone of any wrongdoing. I'm not a corporate lawyer, (or even close!)
If really soft fretwire is used and a capo is left on, it will indent the wire. If stainless steel fretwire is used, one can leave a capo on forever and it won't make a mark... still not an excuse. Just trying to figure out the reason.
That's all.


Sorry, I wasn't actually being defensive, quite the opposite!
No personal offence intended.
I'm still just puzzled and disappointed over how Washburn could have taken their eye off the ball in this matter of inadequate fret wire. I guess I'll have to get in touch with the dealership where I bought my guitar.
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Post by: knuckle on July 14, 2008, 08:04:29 PM
Hopefully I just did not make a mistake. I bought the very last one. According to the EBAY seller. I'm hoping it's not a lemon with the quality issues I've been reading about. I don't mind aging, but 700, I don't want loose braces or gaps in binding or any of that.

Also, is it possible to have the frets replaced without damaging the guitar if done by a competent guitar mechanic? [:D]


Kevin
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Post by: nodehopper on July 22, 2008, 05:44:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by knuckle

Hopefully I just did not make a mistake. I bought the very last one. According to the EBAY seller. I'm hoping it's not a lemon with the quality issues I've been reading about. I don't mind aging, but 700, I don't want loose braces or gaps in binding or any of that.

Also, is it possible to have the frets replaced without damaging the guitar if done by a competent guitar mechanic? [:D]


Kevin



Kevin - I hope you get a good one with no problems.

It is a very common thing for a guitar to get a fret job (normally after 5 to 10+ years depending on how you drive). A competent Luthier can replace worn frets and even make it better than new. I don't know pricing, but I don't think it is terribly expensive. If you end up with worn frets and don't feel like shipping to Washburn or it is after their ( per browndog - 6 month time limit) you can talk to a good guitar guy/gal and discuss your playing style..the instrument and its set up and decide on height and gauge of fret wire that will best suit your playing style. My frets are starting to wear and I am guessing that after a year I will have to replace them. I may go with some fatter frets when the time comes

I do think this little parlor is worth the risk and added expense that  may arise. Let us know how yours is when you receive it!

Stephen......   Ain't no more potatoes, the frost have killed the vine ......
Well, the blues ain't nothin' but a good woman on your mind MJH

Gibson CJ-165

WASHBURN 125-ANNIVERSARY-R316-SWRK PARLOR                                

Martin D 16 H

Gibson Les Paul Studio Premium Plus
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Post by: suegr on July 23, 2008, 07:07:44 PM
Hello.  I joined the forum to also ask if anyone has put nylon on this guitar.  I have one on the way and the store assured me it would be okay.  I called Washburn and they said it might need adjusting.  Thanks in advance!
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 24, 2008, 12:27:42 PM
Suegr......with nylons, there will be less tension on the neck, so you will probably have to adjust the truss rod. (up) ALso, there are heavy guages of nylon too, which might be better to use with this guitar. The Trebles on this guitar sound GREAT with steel strings, might be a bit more muted with nylons, let us know how it works out!!!
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Post by: knuckle on August 02, 2008, 07:54:11 AM
Well I got mine. Nothing wrong with it, it just sounds Blah. No balance, no projection. It's a nice guitar and I like it but comparing this to an original Washburn parlor is nonsense, it's nothing like it. It must be the tone woods they use, to me this thing sounds like turd.

However for some reason it sounds great for open tuning bottleneck, which is what I use it for. I tried a blueridge parlor the other day and was astounded by the sound. This was the solid wood rosewood / spruce blueridge parlor and there is no comparison between it and the washburn. It simply blows the washburn away in all areas. So that blueridge is now at home with me [:D]

I think Washburn should go back to the drawing board and figure out how to build guitars like back in the olden times. To call these new guitars Washburns is a disservice to the traditional Washburn name and IMO, as far as acoustics, they have gone way way downhill.

Granted they aren't handmade like the originals, but still, if you make something that says 125th aniversary parlor guitar, back it up for F'S sake with something that sounds decent. This guitar is a dead piece of wood as far as I'm concerned, but I do love the look and feel of it and it works well for slide, so I'm keeping it.
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Post by: onewilyfool on August 02, 2008, 02:14:29 PM
Knuckle.....maybe you got a dud or a returned guitar??? Can you send it back? Mine just sounds wonderful, but with a bit of a banjo kind of ring to it, which is perfect for the delta blues stuff I play and sounds good with a slide too. Lots of people have shared on this post about the good sound of their 125th aniversary parlor guitars. Tone and sound however IS in the ear of the beholder, so hope it works out for you....
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Post by: YerDugliness on August 02, 2008, 06:32:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool

Suegr......with nylons, there will be less tension on the neck, so you will probably have to adjust the truss rod.


If you want to try nylon strings, have the music shop get you some hard tension or extra-hard tension strings.  It is possible that these strings, which require extra tension in order to develop their full tone, might put enough pressure on the guit that a neck adjustment would not be necessary.  It's worth a try, and would probably give you at least a limited timeframe in which to try them out for tone, but in the end I suspect that you'd be much happier with some XL or slinky gauge steel strings.  I've strung steel-string guits with classical strings before and have always been disappointed in the sound [V] .

Having said that, though, I must add that my first 32 years with a guitar were almost exclusively with classical guitars, so I have a good idea of the complex tones they will produce.  If you are new to the guitar and haven't had a chance to develop a tonal preference, perhaps this might not be a problem for you.

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburns: WD32S, WD32SW, and D61SW
Epiphones: AJ-10 (campfire guitar!!), Masterbilt AJ500RC on order, a Dot '63 ES335 repop, and an LP Special edition
Yamaha Classical guitars: G231-II and G60A
Hippner #506 concert grade classical (arrived damaged, repairs arranged)
Takamine 2005 LTD Edition
Breedlove custom shop Deluxe Build Revival 000 slot-headed 12-fretter
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Ibanez RX20
A cheap Circle K banjo I play when feelin' funky
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Post by: TheMusicFarm on December 08, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
Hey Guys.  We have several of the R314K Parlor's available at The Music Farm.  You can check out pictures and pick your own serial number.  You can go to Ebay and enter item # 180312588495.
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 08, 2008, 03:50:22 PM
Note guys.....the R314K is a laminate guitar whereas the R316 was all solid woods .....if that means anything to you...
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Post by: Dred Guy on December 18, 2008, 12:52:10 PM
So, the 316 is the solid wood Trembesi AND Rosewood?  And the 314K is the laminate Koa (I think) and the one I have -- the R318SKK -- is the laminate Trembesi.  Any more?
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 18, 2008, 05:01:14 PM
dred....they will come out with models until it stops selling....lol
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Post by: onewilyfool on December 19, 2008, 05:19:26 PM
By the way.....I was playing mine last night.....and I have played HUNDREDS of parlors, I got this specifically to play delta and country blues.......I have NOT found a better blues parlor in all my years of searching. It has sustain, volume AND that Banjo kind of sound that your usually only find with those old floating bridge guitars from the turn of the century. I know Nodehopper has one of these, and it is just a veritable blues machine.....If you ever find one used, check it out......they are really something.....if you like blues....lol
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Post by: DJN on January 25, 2009, 10:48:02 AM
Has anyone tried the laminated back/sides 318 anniversary parlors?

How do they compare to the all solid wood 316 parlors?

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Post by: onewilyfool on January 27, 2009, 12:09:44 PM
Hey, it's good to see this old link come up every now and then....Just FYI....I saw some of the 316's (all solid woods) on Ebay the other day....the used marked for these is happening.....I saw some sell for $450, which for this guitar is a VERY good price....have fun
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Post by: YerDugliness on January 27, 2009, 01:45:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by onewilyfool

Just FYI....I saw some of the 316's (all solid woods) on Ebay the other day....the used marked for these is happening.....I saw some sell for $450, which for this guitar is a VERY good price....have fun



Really [}:)]  

$450 [:0]

What's that distant rumbling I hear [;)] ??????

Why the drop in value, I wonder [?]

Dugly [8D]

YerDugliness, Esq./Post No Bills
Lifelong Audiophile
Guitar Playin' FOOL
Retired & attempting to age disgracefully!!!

The crew:
Washburns: WD32S, WD32SW and D61SW
Epiphones: a Dot '63 ES335 repop,  Masterbilt AJ500RC (FINALLY!!)
Yamaha Classical guitars: G231-II and G60A
Hippner #506 concert grade classical (arrived damaged, repairs underway)
Takamine 2005 LTD Edition
Breedlove custom shop Deluxe Build Revival 000 slot-headed 12-fretter
A Hohner classical I left at a vacation home in SW KS.
Ibanez RX20

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Post by: Washburngrasser on January 29, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Oh man, this thread is KILLING me. I am >>>severely<<< wanting one of these Washburn parlors.

onewileyfool,

I notice you have 2 of the new Washburn replicas. What are the list prices respectively, and what will someone actually pay?


Thanks,

WBG

Blueridge BR160
Washburn D44SW
Epiphone AJ500RC 12 fret slothead
Martin D15S 12 fret slothead
Washburn D21S
Washburn EA20 Festival electric/acoustic
Alvarez/Yairi DY38
Gold Tone PBS Maple Deluxe dobro
Regal RD52 Black Lightning dobro
Washburn C80 Classical
Les Paul electric
Telecaster electric
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Post by: DJN on January 31, 2009, 10:20:55 AM
Anybody here played the laminated back/sides  125th Anniversary Washburn 318 parlors?
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Post by: DJN on January 31, 2009, 07:18:00 PM
Also, does the sharp V neck profile on these guitars make attaching a capo more difficult?
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Post by: Pete39577 on February 04, 2009, 06:22:13 AM
Whilst cruising around EvilBay last evening, I discovered that there is a listing for a Washburn R305S parlor for only $729.  I got one I would sell for that price!
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 04, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Ebay recently sold two used R316'S for around $450, I don't know anything about the others, I had an R-308, but when I got the 316 I sold it. R-314, R-318 are all laminate back and sides...I had no problem with a schubb capo on this guitar. I'm telling you, though, playing Lay Lady Lay with all it's Barre chords was a chore. I don't recommend it for barre chords....lol....good luck in your search

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160308323207

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140292611155
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Post by: DJN on February 06, 2009, 03:34:18 AM
There's 2 BRAND NEW Washburn 316 , all solid wood, parlors on Ebay right now. Probably the last 2 new ones available in the world.

Type in Washburn parlor in the Ebay search box to find them..........$698 each.
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Post by: Krash777 on February 14, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
I'm looking at a Washburn R305S this lady has for sale. It's truly a work of art, but I don't know much about it. Do the R305S washburns come with a pick up in it? On the botton of this guitar is a jack so you can plug into an amp. I cannot find much on this Washburn, can anyone help? By the way she told me $360.00 Firm.
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Post by: onewilyfool on February 18, 2009, 05:40:42 PM
Krash......that sounds like a good deal.....note: ply back and sides on the R-305S
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Post by: David VH on February 25, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
I just got a brand new R316swkk in the mail from ActiveMusician.com... #122 with free shipping $719...

Needs a little professional help with set-up, but I am pretty thrilled to get rolling with it.
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Post by: onewilyfool on March 03, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Congrads David, hope you enjoy the heck out of that guitar....
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Post by: Hawthorn on November 26, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
Hi guys,

I'm new here and live in the uk.

Just bought myself an R314KK which I had shipped over from the US.

Not top of the range I know but I love the look of the thing (not too sure about the phoney distressed finish).

I'm only a hobby player but find the fretting a little difficult. maybe it's the wider fretboard or new strings. I usually use Earthwood Rock and Blues because I like the unwound third.

Anyway, wondered if you experienced parlor players tune up to concert pitch or a little below?

The guitar has quite a high ring to it and resonates and sustains well for a laminate top.

Wondered if dropping the tuning a bit might make fretting easier while maintaining the tone ok?
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Post by: Pike on November 26, 2009, 10:32:02 PM
Hi Hawthorne, have you gotten the guitar a pro set up?
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Post by: Hawthorn on November 27, 2009, 01:21:49 AM
Hi Pike,

No but think I may try to lower the action myself.

If I'm careful should be able to use emery to take a little off the bottom of the nut and saddle without too much risk.

What do you think?
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Post by: evenkeel on November 27, 2009, 06:23:38 AM
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Originally posted by Hawthorn

If I'm careful should be able to use emery to take a little off the bottom of the nut and saddle without too much risk.  What do you think?



Check out this link for lowering action at the saddle.
http://frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/Guitar/Setup/LowerAction/loweraction01.html

And another for the nut.
http://frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenSetup/NutAction/nutaction.html

Lowering the action at the saddle is pretty easy.  The nut is a bit more complicated, but doable with the right tools.
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Post by: Hawthorn on November 28, 2009, 09:02:13 AM
Thanks Evenkeel,

Had a quick wander through those and other pages on the site. Lots of interesting stuff I'll return to there.
Meanwhile I'll have a go at lowering the nut and saddle tomorrow morning.
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Post by: Hawthorn on November 29, 2009, 05:44:40 AM
OK lowered the action at the saddle and it made quite a difference.

Maybe take a smidgeon off the nut later but couldn't seem to get it loose and didn't want to push my luck too far by forcing it.

Loads of useful tips on the FretsPages web site thanks Evenkeel.

Guitar sound sweet.....well to me anyway.
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Post by: Pike on November 29, 2009, 12:28:22 PM
quote:
OK lowered the action at the saddle and it made quite a difference.

Cool, way to go Hawthorne!
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Post by: evenkeel on November 29, 2009, 04:08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Hawthorn

OK lowered the action at the saddle and it made quite a difference.
Maybe take a smidgeon off the nut later but couldn't seem to get it loose and didn't want to push my luck too far by forcing it.


Nicely done.  Before you start with adjustments at the nut, let the guitar settle in for 3-4 days.  If you decide to make further adjustments, here is another link that may help in sorting things out.
http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/nuts.htm
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Post by: pailes on February 25, 2010, 12:47:23 PM
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Originally posted by bazookajoe

thanks, of course i did a google search on trembesi, could not find any information about it as a tonewood.

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Post by: DJN on May 01, 2010, 12:50:10 PM
There's some R320 (all solid rosewood) and R319 (all solid trembesi)and R316 anniversary (all solid trembesi) parlors on Ebay at the moment. All new and at good prices.

I wonder if Washburn will eventually make these parlor guitars without the pre-aged look? Hope so, 'cause I'll buy one instantly.

These parlors are GREAT guitars. In 100 years time they'll be making reproductions of these reproductions I bet.
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Post by: onewilyfool on May 02, 2010, 12:09:59 PM
One thing about the pre-aged look.....you don't have to worry about the first scratch!!!
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Post by: TySeale on May 02, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
Hi, new to the forum.  I ordered my 125th Anniversary Wasburn Parlor guitar on Friday. Hope it ships soon...
On backorder now!  I have been wanting a vintage or vintage style parlor guitar for acoustic blues for awhile. I bought one 1937
guitar that looks just like the Morgan Monroe Blues 33. Hope I can get away with just a bridge shave
to fix the action.  which is why I bought the Wasburn: No issues like a real vintage guitar.
I fell in live with the look right away, and I am hearing good things!
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Post by: TySeale on May 02, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
Hi, new to the forum.  I ordered my 125th Anniversary Wasburn Parlor guitar on Friday. Hope it ships soon...
On backorder now!  I have been wanting a vintage or vintage style parlor guitar for acoustic blues for awhile. I bought one 1937
guitar that looks just like the Morgan Monroe Blues 33. Hope I can get away with just a bridge shave
to fix the action.  which is why I bought the Wasburn: No issues like a real vintage guitar.
I fell in live with the look right away, and I am hearing good things!
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Post by: TySeale on May 02, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
That should have been Blues 32, not 33.  Yet another iPhone related typo.
Ty
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Post by: Pike on May 03, 2010, 12:10:33 AM
Welcome Ty. Congrats on the Parlor, looking forward to some pics...
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Post by: onewilyfool on May 05, 2010, 06:28:07 PM
Pics are a must!!! One thing I like about these distressed models is that EVERY ONE is different......
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Post by: sig on May 13, 2010, 05:35:48 AM
First time poster here. I just lucked into a new R316 Trembesi parlor guitar. A friend of mine owns a guitar shop, and since he is a Washburn dealer, he pre-ordered one Rosewood model and one Trembesi model back in 2008. Last weekend I told him I was lusting for a parlor style guitar, and he offered to sell me his Trembesi model for $400. The guitar was still in the case, and the case was still in the plastic wrap it was shipped in. Mine is #69 of 250. I'm loving this guitar. I am on a 3 week work assignment 600 miles from home, and I brought the guitar with me to keep me company.
It's good to be a member of this forum, and I look forward to chatting with everyone.
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Post by: gregjones on May 13, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
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Originally posted by DJN

I wonder if Washburn will eventually make these parlor guitars without the pre-aged look? Hope so, 'cause I'll buy one instantly.


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I would by one when they announce a non-distressed, simple (18 series in Martin lingo) version.

Until that day it's a no sale for me.
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Post by: onewilyfool on June 08, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
Hi Guys and gals…I've been away from the forum for a LOOOOOONG time….was Playing my R316 today and thought I'd drop in, say hello and give you a update on my guitar. I have not truly played it much over the 6+ years since I bought it, but EVERY time I pull it out, I am just amazed by this guitar. In 6+ years…the action has not changed a silly millimeter. Just like when I got it. This guitar has a great "plunky" old time sound, at the same time has great sustain and amazing volume for it's size. I imagine they are not making it anymore, and I only see laminate B&S reproduction Washburns this size on the web anymore….but I think Washburn really hit it out of the park on this one!! Hope you are all doing well, looks like the forum is still going strong!!!
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Post by: wrmurphy on June 08, 2014, 11:24:21 PM
wily, good to see you're still with us. It has been a long time, welcome back.  Murph
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Post by: evenkeel on June 10, 2014, 11:10:40 AM
Nice to see you around.  I've played a few of the reproduction parlors and liked every one.  Very nice guitars.
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Post by: onewilyfool on July 05, 2014, 02:09:18 AM
I was playing it again tonight…..I just love this guitar….it is a veritable "BLUES" machine…..I may have to learn some ragtime picking, which I'm pretty sire would sound great on this too….. I don't know if they make the all solid parlors any more, but his one is a gas…..