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Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: wmjonson on September 11, 2009, 04:45:50 PM


I have a HB-35 an older model, not sure of the year or where made the serial# is 899xxx, it has the Dove wing head stock, solid MOP block fingerboard inlays, the tuning machines are marked Washburn, the wood grain on the top runs the same direction as the neck where on my Korean 2001 HB-35 the grain runs vertical to the neck, flame pattern. Both have a Rosewood fingerboard.

Some other differences from my 01 HB-35 The body cutaway cavities are smaller than the 01, the pickup selector switch is mounted near the v/t controls, the output jack is mounted on the front also near controls. The label inside the body is a small white oval with black test. The f holes are smaller and a different shape from the 01, the Washburn headstock logos are different. on this guitar it is more compressed letters where on the 01 the letters are wider and a space between the W a W ashburn and there is the circled R directly behind the logo. No BFTS on this guitar where the 01 is marked with a BFTS label. The truss rod covers are slightly different, the corners of cover on the guitar in question are nipped 45 degree angle on the nut end, the HB-35 is vertical letters and slightly larger than on the 01 which has slanted letters. The pickguard is larger and a different shape. Considering the above, this guitar is a slightly different design than the 01 HB-35.

If anyone has any info on the year and or origin this guitar your input will be appreciated.

https://sites.google.com/site/washburnguitarsproject/[url][url]http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab83/wmjonson/

(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab83/wmjonson/group.jpg)
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 12, 2009, 07:12:15 AM
welcome to the forum, wmjohnson.

I've got a HB-35 which specs out like yours, same body, except for finish (tobacco sunburst) and you've got the logo in the middle of your headstock. Yours is like mine otherwise....solid block MOP, headstock, location of input and selector switch.

I believe mine to be an 88 Japanese made, however mine is 4 digit serial. There has been alot of variation in these guitars over the years.

One other subtle difference in your guitars, that I've believed is a difference between Japan vintage vs everthing else is the the shape of the horns. Your photo shows this very well! The elder has rounder wider ears while the '01 has an almost pointy shape.

I think yours is an '89, MIJ. But I'm no authority, I've just had alot of these discussions, and that's my opinion.

check out this thread....alot of discussion, and the dude at the end shows one just like yours, but natural...

http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14181

Does the neck on yours match his?
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 12, 2009, 07:16:59 AM
Here's some pics of mine for comparison.....



(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/HB-35/P1050015.jpg)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/HB-35/P1050002.jpg)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/HB-35/P1050007.jpg)
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: gtracer on September 12, 2009, 07:50:23 AM
Hey Tio Kimo,

As you indicated your's is similar to wmjonson, but earlier (the earliest 4 digit HB-35 I've seen).  I'm not sure if it's only 1 year earlier, because there appears to be a gap in serial #'s from '83-'88.  The 4 digit HB-35's 1 piece neck appeared to have change to the 5 piece neck from serial # 84 XX on.  wmjonson's neck should be a 5 piece which I believed carried on until ~'91, before production was moved to Korea for '92.
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 12, 2009, 08:30:58 AM
hey gt...

This is an ongoing saga...the serial on mine is 8148. She's certainly not an 81, correct? those were all string through guitars...

Through deduction, and nothing more sophisticated than that...I came to the conclusion that the first number indicated year with in the decade....but now it seems all the 4 digits began as an 8...and they can't all be 88's...so I guess that doesn't work.

When did they go to the 6 digit format?

Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: wmjonson on September 12, 2009, 12:31:09 PM
Thanks for the welcome Tio Kimo.

Other than the color my guitar is like yours, I can't tell if your tuners have the Washburn logo on them though. It appears that your bridge pickup has been replaced. The six digit serial had to happen between the mfg of your guitar and mine.

Hi, gtracer, My neck is one solid piece, no glue joints at all except at the heel to make it thicker to fit the body, the neck wood has a grain like Mahogany, the body block is Mahogany. My 01 HB-35 appears to have a 2 piece neck which looks definitely Maple.

It is so sad that Washburn serial numbers are such a mystery. My assumed to be an 01 HB-35 is marked with a headstock decal made in Korea and has the Serial both on the headstock and on the body label.

I have thought about digging into the electronics in search of information but the guitar sounds so good I don't want to tamper with it. I may pull the pickups next restring and have a look. If I discover anything interesting I will post in the forum.

I thank both of you for the input. I added of couple of pics of the neck

http://https://sites.google.com/site/washburnguitarsproject/
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: wmjonson on September 12, 2009, 01:10:10 PM
Tio Kimo, I just noticed that your head stock inlays are different from mine, The Washburn logo on yours has the (R) where mine does not and also mine has the MOP W inlay where yours don't. I don't know how I missed that before, I guess I was concentrating of the body.

I saw an 82 HB-35 Natural on eBay a while back, it was the string through. I thought about bidding on it then decided against it. I wish I would have copied the photos of it.

Here is link for an 83 HB-35 it has a six digit serial so the mystery continues.

http://http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1983-Washburn-HB-35-Japan-Daion-Matsumoku-MIJ_W0QQitemZ230371985256QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item35a33d8768&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Here is an 82 HB-35 also six digit serial.

http://http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburn-HB-35_W0QQitemZ160357358656QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item25560b1c40&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 13, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
good topic...i 'd love to see all those folks with older HB-35's get it together and see if we could figure this out.

Here is the text from one of those two listings you found.


Up for auction is a rare bird, indeed! It is a genuine vintage 1983 made in Japan Washburn HB-35 in excellent condition. This is a particularly nice example of this rare guitar. As you know, this guitar was made by Matsumoku along with the famous Daion guitars. In fact, you can see they share the same string through bridge and pickups. Super high quality 335 style guitar. These made in Japan Washburns have nothing in common with the current Chinese or Korean made instruments, just to be clear. This guitar is a totally unique design. Different bridge, peghead, pickups, etc. Serial number is 83XXXX indicating a 1983 instrument. The volume knobs still have the factory stickers explaining the push-pull coil splitter feature. Neck is straight, action is low, frets are still excellent--this baby is ready to play Carnegie Hall, OK? Super clean, very little wear showing, no dings, scratches, or belt buckle wear--actually I did find one teeny little chip on the treble side horn, see pic, that is through the finish, otherwise about the nicest one you'll ever hope to find. The brass bridge saddles show some tarnish, also, see pic. A beautiful and rare guitar that doesn't show up everyday. I know you'll like it.

Now, I've read everything I can find about Matsumoku, and everything I've read indicates they never made hollow body guitars for Washburn, only solid body....as much as I'd love to think otherwise. So what is the truth? Where does this dude get his info? Can someone show something to the contrary? Yamaki, on the other hand, was building a ton of acoustics for Washburn, as well as electrics at that time.

What is known to be true?
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: wmjonson on September 13, 2009, 02:40:48 AM
On the 4 digit serial, since they all begin with an 8 that leaves serial numbers for only 1000 guitars. Since we know that 82 and 83 models also had six digit serials I am led to believe that for some the last 2 digits were left off the serial number or perhaps the first 2 digits.

Here is an HB-35 the dude claims is an 84
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/my-other-guitars/26616-washburn-hb-35-a.html#post463561

Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 13, 2009, 08:30:46 AM
yep, that's Michael, he's on here occasionally as well, I actually talked with him extensively before I bought mine. His is a 4 digit number starting with 84xx, and someone in customer service indicated that made it a 84, then mine was 81xx, same guitar (headstock etc.) which calls the year designation into question.

I comepletely agree with the assessment of quality, only it's origins are fuzzy, and, at the end of the day, relatively unimportant! I love my HB. It would be nice to know, particularly when dudes are stating they're Uncle Mat's worth a grand or more.....
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Cornish Boy on September 13, 2009, 09:07:15 AM
Hi guys, I've been reading this thread with interest. I think you're right about Matsumoku only making solid body guitars. As for the serial number question, maybe there were TWO different plants making this model under license for Washburn, that would explain quite a lot of discrepancies in the serials. It's just a shame Washburn themselves can't answer the question as to makers used at that time.
Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: Tio Kimo on September 13, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cornish Boy

 As for the serial number question, maybe there were TWO different plants making this model under license for Washburn, that would explain quite a lot of discrepancies in the serials.



CB,
that's a good theory, and I agree it'd be good if Washburn could just say yes they did, or no they didn't. I can see why details may be hard to come by, but you'd think they would know if the model was ever built there.

I've started another thread in the interest of figuring this out...

http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16184

Feel free to share!

On that note, I'm not a huge fan of segmenting the board the way we have...I like reading about guitars I don't own...and now it's a lot more work to do so!

Title: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: wmjonson on September 13, 2009, 02:59:22 PM
TK, Good plan to move for better exposure.
Title: Re: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: deliktus on October 29, 2015, 02:07:24 AM
Hi folks!
I was wondering if anyone of proud HB35 OLD guitras can tell me how they compare to new production HB35 guitras?
Are the old HB35 from the end of the 80s good quality guitars?
IM asking couse there is one on the sale right now:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Washburn-HB35-MIJ-Vintage-Semi-Acoustic-335-Cherry-Red-/201454212652?hash=item2ee79b562c:g:rE8AAOSwA4dWJ50z
Title: Re: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: deliktus on October 31, 2015, 04:37:29 AM
Anyone? :(
How dou you like there Washburns from 80s?
Washburn on top of the page seem almost identical to this one Im interested.
Title: Re: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: deliktus on November 01, 2015, 02:43:05 PM
"Is there anybody outhere"  :(
Title: Re: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: extra-cheese on January 29, 2016, 12:36:41 AM
Hi,
I don't know about the newer guitars but I have an '89ish black HB-35 and I love it. I bought it new back in the day and still play it regularly. I have replaced the bridge/saddle when it developed cracks, and I have replaced the stock pickups with Stew-Mac's PAF reproductions, "Golden Age Humbuckers" I think. I much prefer their sound over the stock pickups but personal-preference and all that. Neck is lovely, action is great, it is pretty heavy but it sustains for days. If the one you are looking at is in reasonable shape then I would highly recommend grabbing it.

If it matters, I am mostly a blues player these days and the guitar suits me perfectly, but if I venture into lighter and heavier territory the Washburn sounds nice there too.
Title: Re: HB35 older model Info needed
Post by: PermissionToLand on July 06, 2016, 07:17:03 PM
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I have a HB-35 an older model, not sure of the year or where made the serial# is 899xxx, it has the Dove wing head stock, solid MOP block fingerboard inlays, the tuning machines are marked Washburn, the wood grain on the top runs the same direction as the neck where on my Korean 2001 HB-35 the grain runs vertical to the neck, flame pattern. Both have a Rosewood fingerboard.

Some other differences from my 01 HB-35 The body cutaway cavities are smaller than the 01, the pickup selector switch is mounted near the v/t controls, the output jack is mounted on the front also near controls. The label inside the body is a small white oval with black test. The <i>f</i> holes are smaller and a different shape from the 01, the Washburn headstock logos are different. on this guitar it is more compressed letters where on the 01 the letters are wider and a space between the W a W ashburn and there is the circled R directly behind the logo. No BFTS on this guitar where the 01 is marked with a BFTS label. The truss rod covers are slightly different, the corners of cover on the guitar in question are nipped 45 degree angle on the nut end, the HB-35 is vertical letters and slightly larger than on the 01 which has slanted letters. The pickguard is larger and a different shape. Considering the above, this guitar is a slightly different design than the 01 HB-35.

If anyone has any info on the year and or origin this guitar your input will be appreciated.



[url]http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab83/wmjonson/]https://sites.google.com/site/washburnguitarsproject/[url]

[url]http://s852.photobucket.com/albums/ab83/wmjonson/ (https://sites.google.com/site/washburnguitarsproject/[url)

(http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab83/wmjonson/group.jpg)

1989, Made in Korea by Samick. Probably late 89 since they still used the old headstock on some that year.

Here's some pics of mine for comparison.....



(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/HB-35/P1050015.jpg)

Same as above. And you'll notice there are many similarities with the Epiphone Sheraton (especially yours, with the same finish) because Samick also made those at the time.