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Title: what year?
Post by: VT banjoplayer on December 16, 2009, 10:17:09 AM
Hello all, I am new here and not too long ago I bought a B-16. I love it, although I am just learning it sounds sweet. I am just curious to see what year it is. I have done alot of research trying to find an answer to my question, but, it seems that is a tall order. The serial number is 95036. What I did read on this forum is that the first two numbers is the year it was born, but not always. Will someone please help?
Matt

If it makes any difference when I bought it, it had a crystal head.
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 16, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
Hey greg! Magoo! He said a Banjo sounds sweet...! Ahaha!

Sorry, us Mando players don't like you banjo players much.. [;)][:D]

My semi-educated guess would be that its a '95.. Or a '99.. Not quite sure.

Someone will be along to help ya..

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 16, 2009, 12:50:16 PM
Hey VT, welcome to the forum. JR Is one funny guy...LOL.
Not much help here on the forum when it comes to banjo..maybe you could send a E-mail to washburn or there is one guy that drops in every now and then by the name of Racingstude..he has a lot of knowldge on washy Banjo's and he may be able to help you. Just click on his name and send a E-mail in this forum, or in the members on the top right corner may have to scroll a bit to find him.

Good Luck
Magoo
Title: what year?
Post by: wrmurphy on December 16, 2009, 06:42:12 PM
VT banjo player, welcome to the forum. You did come to the right place, this is for banjo players also, juniors just being a little facetious. I am a mandolin player and don't have much knowledge of banjo's. I don't think you have enough posts to pm another forum member yet, I believe you need 10 post before they will forward your pm. However, I'm sure that some banjo player will be along to help you with your question. If not, then do as magoo sugests, cotact the company.

Murph
Title: what year?
Post by: VT banjoplayer on December 17, 2009, 06:03:22 AM
Thanks everyone, hopefully someone will come along and be able to help me out. Not that it matters really, I was just curious. I still love it.
This is a post for banjos and mandos right?  Boy, that Jr is quite a joker, eh?
Matt
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 17, 2009, 10:46:22 AM
Dude, I was just pullin your leg..

Yep. B@*^$ Players and Mando players are all allowed. Welcome to the WBGF.

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 17, 2009, 12:01:31 PM

Hey Junior,

Easy there 'young buck'. Banjo is the Zen Ninja weapon of the finger picking crowd. I've been playing banjo for over 20 years now, and few things I've encountered (including mandolin..[;)]) require the discipline and dedication of the banjo. The only other atrocious hell spawn I can think of is dobro...only because of the variable pitch and slide bar.

So, although the butt of many, many jokes over the last couple of decades, nothing and I mean NOTHING gets people jacked at a gig like pulling out a banjo and playing stuff like East Bound and Down...even if it is a rock gig.

I doubt you'd ever get that kind of raucous reaction with a mando..[;)][:D]
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 17, 2009, 12:05:26 PM


Oh almost forgot...VT, hang in there buddy, banjo is a gas!! I think I may even have a can of repellent to take care of these mando guys. If you have any questions, fire away. I'm not exactly sure what year your B16 is, but really...who cares!! It's a good sounding 'jo and set up right, it'll go like a race car.

If you need any banjo info you can always got to the Banjo Hangout website. That place is the 'oracle' as far as banjos go. No doubt someone on there can figure out what year your rig is.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 17, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
LMAO, That's why we like JR so much around here..he keeps it light even when its not. with all the trolls around here of late that's a good thing..plus I know he really wants to play banjo...LOL

I also play tenor and a 6 string banjo, I know its not a 5 er but I like them and I'll tell ya one thing no trouble to be heard at a house party...LOL

Great idea telling him about the banjo hangout but Darn you think you be able to come to washburn and get info on lets say....washburns....thats about the only thing I don't like about this place if Nick don't know the answer it so hard to find one
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 17, 2009, 12:58:28 PM

yeah magoo, unfortunately it's that way with all instruments of all types from all years. If you want a headache, try authenticating Nationals from the 30's!!
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 17, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
quote:
I doubt you'd ever get that kind of raucous reaction with a mando..


Oooh. Tables turned.. LOL. Actually, everyone loooves the Mando. When I walk into a jam sesh with a mando case and a guitar case, I am the king of cool [;)]

Magoo, you got me. It has always been my dream to play B@&%#.. LOL

Yep. The trolls are annoying, and I try to keep things alive..LOL *cough*Bob, Evets*cough*

Have you guys seen how many little flames there are round here now?! The whole forum (Even the AGF) use to be filled with cobwebs..

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on December 17, 2009, 08:27:37 PM
quote:
The only other atrocious hell spawn I can think of is dobro...only because of the variable pitch and slide bar.


well I have to agree with this statement. You'd think dobro players and banjo players would see eye to eye, but well, spend a little time over at Resonation and well, it's Ojnab over there [:D]
 
Truthfully, it wouldn't be much of a bluegrass band without the ol' banjo I'm afraid. Unless of course you want to start talkin' about the fiddle! So, ya cain't live with 'em and ya cain't live without 'em.

Washburn WD54SW
Gold Tone(PBSM)Resonator
2006 Collings MT Mandolin
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 18, 2009, 09:59:15 AM

'ojnab'...hahahaha!!! How right you are SV.

I started playing resonator before playing banjo, but it was a lonely and secluded life. Banjo is still the life of the party....at least in the public's eye. Resonator is Shoa Lin when it comes to finger picking. I just love it. Add to that the deep tones, the relaxed smoothness, man, it's heaven...but not many people get it. It's too out there for the untrained ear. The success rate for teaching dobro is dismal. Too bloody hard. The variable pitch thing really snakes alot of people, whereas banjo, for some silly reason, they get it..

Junior, OF COURSE mando would be big where you are...it's a haven for folkies out there. Vancouver Island?!?! I guess...right along with Chai tea, er, Tai Chi, whatever...We're in cattle and oil country here where the difference between a lcoal and a city slicker is that folks out here have the manure on the OUTSIDE of their boots.[:D]
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 18, 2009, 10:56:46 AM
quote:
Junior, OF COURSE mando would be big where you are...it's a haven for folkies out there. Vancouver Island?!?! I guess...right along with Chai tea, er, Tai Chi, whatever...We're in cattle and oil country here where the difference between a lcoal and a city slicker is that folks out here have the manure on the OUTSIDE of their boots.


We definantly have a wide expanse of people out here.. LOL. Naw man, go across the pond to Hongcouver, thats where you drink chai tea and get your ass kicked by Tai Chi.. [:D]
And yep, all you rednecks across the rockies I suppose would like the Banjo [;)]

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 18, 2009, 11:34:18 AM

Sorry, my bad Junior...I guess you guys do the drum circles and stuff like that?[;)]

You called me a redneck?!?!?! I'm so flattered...thanks man!![:I][:I] In honour of you I'm going to go grind a few of the points of some full metal jacket rounds and turn them into hunting bullets so I can go hunt with my assault rifle, pour me a travel mug of Jim Beam, and just a give 'er on that banjer. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!![:D]
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 18, 2009, 12:27:28 PM
I would love to be able to play the Dobro, don't know anyone who plays local and never seen one in any of the shops.
I'm a flat picker who plays Mandolin/mandola/tenor banjo/and I give a solid rhythm on Guitar.
for you guys that do play Dobro do ya think I could learn without be thought?
I could get some stuff on line I guess.  I think Scott said he has..so that maybe a help..also I play mostly by ear.
 But I don't know if I would really want to buy one, if I didn't think I had a chance top learn the darn thing.
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 18, 2009, 12:28:03 PM
Drum circles, yep. LOL.

Anytime bud. Ahahaha. Just go grab a rifle from the umbrella stand.. LOL. Please don't tell me you drive a Chevy, then that would make you the redneck KING. LOL

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 18, 2009, 12:46:17 PM
quote:
all you rednecks across the rockies I suppose would like the Banjo

 


Darn, I'm a redneck also.[i like the banjo]..thats funny a Newfie redneck..imagine the jokes...LMAO
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 18, 2009, 01:33:28 PM

no Junior, no Chevy here...I drive a '77 Dodge Power Wagon. Not much better, hunh? hahahaha!!!

hey magoo, dobro is do-able. There's a website called the Reso Hangout of which I hang on quite a bit. There's a whole pile of resources on that thing including where to get one, what's junk, etc,etc,etc.

If you should have ANY questions about these things, dobro is a very small community and I'm here for ya buddy. Just ask away...it's not impossible, just weird.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 18, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Thanks Roaster, I'm gonna give it a look.
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on December 18, 2009, 01:55:37 PM
Naw man, dodge trucks are THE best. The fact that its a big old Power Wagon, not helpin ya much [;)]

Dobros are pretty cool. Ima have a look too..

The small, but mighty collection:
Washburn N2, Barracuda Strat Copy, Art & Lutherie Acoustic, Greg Bennet D-5 Acoustic,Rover RM-50B Mandolin

If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 18, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
Great place to hang out Roaster you could spend hrs there I think I just did...LOL

http://www.resohangout.com/
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 19, 2009, 12:39:13 AM
It's only the beginning boys...only the beginning.[8D]
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on December 20, 2009, 02:47:46 AM
Reso is hard. I guess it is a matter of how much time put in...really. My reso is on holiday for the moment. Too much fun getting better at the mando......I haven't given up though, just resting.

Washburn WD54SW
Gold Tone(PBSM)Resonator
2006 Collings MT Mandolin
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 20, 2009, 11:04:25 AM
Hey Scott, did you find that the Lessons on line Helped?

The worst thing about playing multi instruments is you don't get time to practice all like you should...I picked Mandolin and the rest are just played when I get Bord..I found I played mando best and with ease so it picked me I guess.
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 20, 2009, 11:31:03 AM
Well said magoo...mando picked you.

With resonator, that's how it works for me. It's my number one pick of the barn here. Yes, sv, it's tough. But man, when you get it figured out...what a rush!
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on December 20, 2009, 08:12:24 PM
yeah, I love the reso very much and you are right, when things come together (even the very small things like mastering a roll or a lick) it is a rush. Magoo, the online stuff has helped me 100% seeing as though here in little ol' Southwestern Australia, there ain't no dobro pickers anywhere to be found, let me rephrase that, no SQUARENECK dobro pickers around. So all of my instruction has been via internet resources. And there are a lot out there. I have purchased A couple of things (like JAy bUckey's series1-8)(only because I like him and understand his approach)But one reason I thought (other than just loving the sound and feel) I would pick it up is because well, there ain't nobody down here doin' it. So maybe I could carve myself a niche in the music scene down here. Having said that, I haven't gone public with it yet. I'm still a couple of years off from that. But even if you only get a couple of songs under your belt, it would be a nice addition to any gig or group. Don't ya think Magoo? I'm sure your band would think, cool man, lets work that in someplace. BUT! the only thing worse than a badly played dobro is a_____________fill in the blank fella's. Playing backup isn't too bad. It is in open G after all, so you can find the chords easy enough, it's just those dang rolls. The right hand stuff is killing me. You ojnab players have an advantage there. Like Zero says, it is a rush and when you hear it played well, there is nothing like it. s**t man, I can see Magoo right now, pouring over photo's and websites like Paul Beard and Jerry Douglas. Well my friend the adventure never ends.Washburn WD54SW
Gold Tone(PBSM)Resonator
2006 Collings MT Mandolin
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 21, 2009, 12:36:54 AM

Sv, I hear ya on the niche thing. Back when I lived in Montreal there weren't many squareneck players either, but at least there were some. Here in Central Alberta, zip, nada, zilch...squat! I'm the only teacher around!! There's a guy who drives from Calgary, about 180 kms each way to learn dobro. Go figure, I never thought in my life I'd be the 'man on the mountain' with this thing.

You're right buddy, it's alot of right hand. The only other trick to dobro is the pull offs and hammer ons with the left hand, and also muting with the individual fingers instead of just the palm. To make things worse, I learned with four picks instead of three...why not, make something insane even crazier, right?

I certainly never thought it would become a serious facet of my job (teacher/studio player) but it sure is looking that way!! Hang in there my good man...it's worth it.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 21, 2009, 07:18:14 AM
Great Info guys, Whats the Difference in the squre neck and.....  guitar style? remember I don't have a clue about it...I have seen it played Guitar style and didn't think much of this,  but a friend of mine In T.O plays dobro and he is very good.  he plays it standing straped on like a guitar but its lying flat [don't know if this make sense]...LOL
so educate me please...LOL
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 21, 2009, 07:33:25 AM
This is my friend Playing his dobro, He use to play lead guitar/mandolin for my old band..Great guy and great player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpG7JHAyuw
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on December 21, 2009, 08:10:17 AM
well Magoo, there are squarenecks, which your friend is playing in the video. It must be played thata way with a bar, because the strings are like right off the fret board by an inch!. That's the type I play. The round neck version can be played and fretted, but it is usually played with a slide. A bar being heavy like one used for pedal steel, and the slide, well you know what that is...usually see the blues guys playing one like that. and the all metal dobros tend to be the round neck version. There are special straps to help you stand up with the darn thing. I found it almost easier standing up, but well, it's still hard. Don't let me put you off with my hard comments. Like I said, I'm resting for the time being, but before I started resting I was getting somewhere. Certainly it's a steep learning curve, but you can progress pretty quick. So I haven't given up Roaster, no way. and you know, by the time my fingers get all arthritic and I can't play guitar or mando anymore, guess what I'll have as a fall back? You guessed it, my dobro.

Washburn WD54SW
Gold Tone(PBSM)Resonator
2006 Collings MT Mandolin
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 21, 2009, 09:13:58 AM

Right on sv! Y'know, when I was a young buck I was fortunate enough to be mentored by really neat old guy who showed me much on the dobro. At the time I had a metal bodied National that I had scored pretty cheap and when he saw me with it just sitting outside on a picnic table at a jam, he comes up and says 'Son, if you're going to play a guitar like that, you'd better know what the hell you're doing.' So started a brief (we moved shortly after) but very respectful friendship. I offered to pay him but he said my only responsibility after was that if I spotted someone like me (young,enthusiastic,and broke) further down the road, share the knowledge.

Well, decades later, Junior's lessons have turned into a living for me. I do charge to teach, but every once in a while I come across a young buck who really needs to know...and I gladly share the wealth. Lately, the young buck has been my son. Young, stubborn, and kind of hard to handle like I used to be, but get a guitar in that boy's hands and man, does he level out. I haven't seen that kind of persistence in a young person in a long, long time. If he was that attentive in school, he'd be up for a Nobel Prize!! Oh well, at least he's not ADD, just bored...heh, heh

Back to the topic, magoo, squareneck is indeed played flat. As sv said, the strings are almost a good inch above the fingerboard, and wrapping your hand around that sucker is impossible. The slide or 'steel' is held in between the fingers of the left hand enabling all kinds of neat little tricks like behind the slide bends, hammer ons, pull offs, etc,etc., and the right hand runs much like ti does on a  banjo except that unlike banjo, the 5th and 6th strings are perfect for running bass lines. The most complex aspect is definitely the muting, both with left and right hand, but that will make or break the clean picking. These dobros sustain forever.

(http://www.recordingking.com/images/RM-991-S.png)
For your viewing pleasure....this is a Recording King tri-cone metal bodied squareneck. This is a very, very nice guitar, and yes there's one in my future...just not yet. The tri-cone configuration features three cones (2 bass side, one treble) on a 'T' bridge. Unbelievable volume, sustain, etc...this baby growls!

(http://www.recordingking.com/images/RR-60-VS.png)
This is what I'm jamming on these days. This is a squareneck Recording King wood body unit. It's mahogany with a hand spun cone. It doesn't have the 'punch' of the metal body, but man, is it 'sweet'. I just need both...that's all...[:D]

Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 22, 2009, 06:43:44 AM
Thanks guys, for the Info..sounds very interesting, Wish my friend lived closer so I could have a play....I will start asking around to see if anyone I know has one, I would love to try. I checked the local shops and they carry one by fender the is just over $300 which is not bad..But if I was to buy it I would have to do way more research.

Can the Round neck Be played has a reg Guitar?
Hey Roaster I really like the look of the square neck Recording King wood body I like the look of the mahogany.

Another Question are these thing Heavy?
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 22, 2009, 10:08:46 AM
Hey magoo,

you bet buddy..yes you can play a roundneck like a regular guitar. My swamp stomper is set up like that.

(http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz172/Zeroroaster/SwampStomper-scaled.jpg)

This thing is set up in standard tuning, but I still play it with a bottle neck. It also has one of the best 'growly' tones I've ever hear when I plug it in with a bit of overdrive. Swamp Stomper is a very appropriate name for this thing!!

As for the squareneck wood body units, no, they're not that heavy. Definitely more than a dreadnought, but not as bad as a Les Paul. There, how's that for scope? [:D]

Oh, and just so you know, the Fender resonators borderline suck. Make sure you try it. Check for rattles, buzzes, etc. They definitely don't blow me away...for as much as I dig a J-bass, I'd never buy one of their resos...just sayin'.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 22, 2009, 10:49:30 AM
quote:
Oh, and just so you know, the Fender resonators borderline suck. Make sure you try it. Check for rattles, buzzes, etc. They definitely don't blow me away...for as much as I dig a J-bass, I'd never buy one of their resos...just sayin'.

 


Thanks for the info, This is why It would be hard for me to buy such a thing, you can't really trust the guys that sell them here because its all about the sale.
My best bet would be to find someone here that plays and get them to give me some help.
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 22, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
Absolutely...

Take your time, find a player. Hit the Reso Hangout LOTS. Hey, if worse comes to worse, you can always ask me!![;)]

We're here for ya brother.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 22, 2009, 02:34:28 PM
quote:
if worse comes to worse, you can always ask me!!

 


LMAO...thanks bro, never thought of that.
Must say its nice to see so much traffic here on the Bluegrass side of things.
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on December 22, 2009, 08:36:57 PM
right you are Magoo, and Roaster.............It was the Fender that first got me asking questions over at Reso-nation. They over there talked me out of it and I ended up with the Gold Tone Paul Beard solid mahogany....! and my then wife was not very impressed that I spent so much money on an instrument I couldn't play......if you know what I mean.....but I don't regret it one bit.  Take your time as Roaster says. I had the same problem Magoo. Nobody sold them here. They could order for me but they didn't have a clue about the instrument. So it was Elderly for me, the gold tones pass through Paul Beard's shop for the cone installation and the set up (which is of ultimate importance)so I felt at least I would get one that was very playable. I wouldn't have known the difference you see.
So, keep lookin' and thinkin'. and hey I don't know anything, but I'm willing to say so :-) so ask away, we won't make fun of ya....although I have found the reso community to be pretty forgiving and very helpful when it comes to newbies!Washburn WD54SW
Gold Tone(PBSM)Resonator
2006 Collings MT Mandolin
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 22, 2009, 10:46:44 PM

Hey sv,

The resonator community is so small and secluded we can't afford to be weenies to one another. [:D] Those Beard/Gold Tone resos are killer. Nice score.

I sold a Recording King squareneck (like the one in the picture) today to a customer and it spent a little time on my bench to get it absolutely tweaked. Man, did that sucker light up!! An absolutely beautiful piece and cheap by Canadian standards.

Magoo, I have no idea who to talk to in Newfoundland but we'll keep our ears open...you never know who I'm going to bump into.
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on December 23, 2009, 10:48:25 AM
Thanks again for all you post guys, great read and even if I decide not to buy one I have learned a lot already..LOL

Bob hope you don't mind I use your name , your username is a pain to write...LOL.  A friend of my own a mom and pop shop here and is willing to bring in anything I want as long and the instrument has not been contracted to another shop in the area. He is a great guy and he is willing to deal.
This is the guy that ran the Garrison guitar factory/shop before they sold out to Gibson.
thanks again for  these great post, I love how the Bluegrass forum has changed here in the last mth or so...Maybe washburn could start to look into resos.
Title: what year?
Post by: Quinn Spalpeen on December 23, 2009, 01:22:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by magoo99

Maybe washburn could start to look into resos.


Actually Magoo, they have the Oscar Schimdt OR6CE, but if I were you, and understand I don't know resonators, maybe Roaster, could elaborate, I would go with the Johnson Swamp Stomper like Roaster's.  It's the exact same instrument, (EXACT!!!) with a tiny little difference in the headstock (for Brand ID). The Johnson runs from about 30 to 60 dollars cheaper then the Oscar, and gets rave reviews. They are the same instrument though.



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Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 23, 2009, 03:12:55 PM

Actually Quinn, they're not exactly the same...headstock aside, the Johnson has a Continental hand spun cone and the Oscar has a standard stamped cone. BIG difference. We shop buddy around man, and here's an instance where it all comes out of the same factory but with tiny subtleties. The Alabama also comes out of the same barn, but again with a stamped and not spun cone. Stamping a cone doesn't produce nearly the same volume or clarity. If not mistaken, the Music Link (AXL/Johnson/Recording King/etc) is the mother ship that builds these for everybody...so naturally, they're going to give theirs (the Johnson) the edge...and boy does it have the edge!!

Hey magoo, if you're looking to play bluegrass style (on your lap with a steel) then the Swamp Stomper won't work. It's a roundneck. Another subtle difference is the fact that it uses a biscuit bridge (convex cone) instead of a spider bridge (concave cone, like a speaker). The spider bridges are much deeper and sweeter sounding when played bluegrass style, whereas when fingerpicking some dirty delta stuff, nothing can catch a biscuit for punch and clarity.

Technically yes, you can get a nut adapter to jack the strings up and turn a roundneck into a flat player, BUT because of the increased tension from having to tune up a couple of strings, this can sound the death bell for your roundneck. It ain't for nothing a squareneck is so beefy. [;)]
Title: what year?
Post by: Quinn Spalpeen on December 23, 2009, 04:05:02 PM
So Roaster,,, the Johnson has a spun resonator and the Oscar has a die cast, and that is a better thing right? And it's still about 30 bucks cheaper than the Oscar.. That's a good thing,,, They both have the biscuit bridge you mentioned, but the Johnson Swamp Stomper can be had for about $330 on-line. The Oscar is running about $370-380 on-line.

So if I were looking for something in the little over $300.00 range to test the waters, would you endorse the Johnson Swamp Stomper?  I've been considering it, and you've probably realized by now that blues is one of my favored genres. The Ry Cooder, Taj Mahal sort of blues. Taj's favored resonator is the National.

EDIT!!! I forgot to add, I play almost exclusively acoustic, so would one of the non-electric Johnson models be more to my tastes?




No Watson, dear fellow, we'll first finish gathering the facts. It's really quite elementary, one should always fit the theory to the facts, not the facts to the theory. .... Sherlock Holmes

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Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 23, 2009, 05:58:41 PM

Hey Quinn,

Would I endorse the Swamp Stomper? Absolutely!! I own one!!! When we got this guitar in it kind of irked me a bit. What a weird hybrid. Even the cutaway thing had me scratching my head. The strings that came on it were marginal, so I put on a nice bright set of brass strings, 11-52 custom light. Man, does that sucker ever light up now! It's a very, very clean guitar. Anything you do will come out louder because of the resonator, so if you pick sloppy, it's really sloppy. That said, when plugged into some of my old tube rigs here it has one of the smoothest dispositions I've ever heard. So much so I used it to play a couple of jazz tunes at the Christmas concert last week and it was heaven. Big, rich bass notes, and ultra smooth mids.

Even if you have no intention of plugging in, it's still a nice guitar to play. Very solid feel to this thing and it stays in tune very nicely. It's a great axe for bottleneck, but also for doing some fingerstyle delta stuff...

If you need specifics, send me a PM. I really, really like this guitar...she's a honey for no money.[:D]
Title: what year?
Post by: Quinn Spalpeen on December 23, 2009, 06:17:58 PM
Roaster,, Thanks so much,,,, I want to expand out a little and have narrowed it down to acoustic bass or slide/bottle neck. But everything I've read about the Swamp Stomper has been good to very good to rave. The most negative thing I've read so far is the description Elderly gives for the Johnson they carry. Check the link out, this is why I love doing business with them, they are too honest.


http://elderly.com/new_instruments/items/JDB1R.htm

I quote,Workmanship and finish are far from first rate, but these do offer a very reasonable entry point to resonator guitar. How many folks are that honest?


No Watson, dear fellow, we'll first finish gathering the facts. It's really quite elementary, one should always fit the theory to the facts, not the facts to the theory. .... Sherlock Holmes

Washburn F10S
Washburn WD114S
Washburn J4
Martin 00-15
Trinity College Bouzouki
Takamine EG523SC-12
Raul Emiliani Model 928 (Stradivari model)
Scott Cao STV-950 (Hellier model)
Eastman Master Model 905 (Stradivari model)
Fender FV-3
Marshall AS50D
Fender Super Champ XD


Title: what year?
Post by: gregjones on December 23, 2009, 08:49:09 PM
Resos............love 'em.

I had a Dobro for awhile, Gruhn's said it was from the 30's (as close as they could date it).  I didn't like, or take time to get used to, the vee neck.  Sold it.  Mistake......not the biggest one I've made in my life, somewhere between divorcing my first wife and giving my 4wt G. Loomis away in a drunken stooper.  Damn, that was a sweet rod and I miss the Dobro.

A few years ago one of the big online sellers was selling their store brand instruments off cheap.  I bought a Fullerton roundneck reso for $99 with shipping paid.  Then, put a set of Grover tuners on it.  Then, forgot about it.  

Crap, I forgot about the mando I had bought then also.  It sounded like junk so it went in the back of the closet to later become a wall hanger.  I just pulled it out and put a set of J74's on it.  Doesn't sound so bad after all.  I've been looking for a beater mando---nothing like finding a pre-paid one!!!!

The reso is a cheapo and sounds kinda cheesy, but it's a 12 fret-slot head with a 1 3/4 nut, and can do some blues just fine.  Cheesy works just fine for the blues and I'm thinking that's all I need a guitar for.

Thinking.........

Nope, the 12 Fret Dread isn't going anywhere.[;)]


Great thread---cheap reso, great blues.  And a beater mando to boot.[:D][:D][:D]
Title: what year?
Post by: Zeroroaster on December 24, 2009, 12:04:22 AM

Hey Quinn, I'll agree with Elderly on the Chicago Blues Johnson. It certainly isn't a beauty queen, but for some low buck fun, why not. The Stomper is definitely a few notches above the Chicago Blues and also sports the biscuit cone instead of the spider. For tight old fashioned picking, nothing beats a biscuit.

Johnson also makes an axe called a 'Bottle Slide Triolian'. Check that one out...not as 'electric' as the Stomper, but roundneck with the old style slotted head, and the same biscuit cone as the Stomper. More of a traditional roundneck you might say.

(http://www.johnsongtr.com/images/JR-550.png)

This unit can also be gotten with a Fishman pickup if you're wanting the true biscuit sound when playing with a slide. Definitely a few notches above the Chicago Blues units. For some weird reason I can't get my ahead around using a spider bridge axe for blues. I had one a while back and it never rang right for me.

Hey greg, bummer about the fly rod!! A 4wt Loomis in these parts is as important as your 4X4, your gun, and your dog!
Title: what year?
Post by: Quinn Spalpeen on December 24, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
Roaster, I think I'm going with your advice, I can get this, Johnson JR-550 Bottle Slide Triolian Resonator Guitar, with a hardshell case, shipped for $314.00. From what I can tell, it's a non-cutaway, not electric Swamp Stomper, it that right?  I've done a lot of reading today and I think that's right.  If I decide to take the plunge, I'll drop you a line.

No Watson, dear fellow, we'll first finish gathering the facts. It's really quite elementary, one should always fit the theory to the facts, not the facts to the theory. .... Sherlock Holmes

Washburn F10S
Washburn WD114S
Washburn J4
Martin 00-15
Trinity College Bouzouki
Takamine EG523SC-12
Raul Emiliani Model 928 (Stradivari model)
Scott Cao STV-950 (Hellier model)
Eastman Master Model 905 (Stradivari model)
Fender FV-3
Marshall AS50D
Fender Super Champ XD


Title: what year?
Post by: VT banjoplayer on January 07, 2010, 05:51:42 AM
Hey all! Back again, I just couldnt get enough of jr. Actually I was off line for a while, you know, things up here just move a little bit slower. Anyway, now my piece is making a ringing noise when I play my third string open and a little bit( but not as bad) with my fifth. The only thing I did was mess around with the tension of my head, it bugs the hell out of me. Any thoughts?
Title: what year?
Post by: Junior88 on January 07, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
Sorry if I offended you man. Not my intention at all.

My sister's boyfriend has a banjo, damn its fun..

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If it seems like you are playing around and not practicing, that's when you know you really love it. -Jack Johnson
Title: what year?
Post by: magoo99 on January 07, 2010, 07:25:18 PM
quote:
Sorry if I offended you man. Not my intention at all.




Nice of you Ryan...When most people get to know you Bro they will like you, Your one cool young man...Wish my Daughters boyfriends were/will be as mature as you at this age..damn I just wish I could get them to pull up their pants...LOL
Title: what year?
Post by: svgustin on January 08, 2010, 11:16:50 PM
hhahhahhahahh Magoo!

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