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Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on April 30, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
I'm looking for an older HB 35 and, after doing some research, I've found that some are made in Korea, some in China, and some in Japan... what is the deal with this?

Is the country of origin dependent on the age of the guitar... ie when it was built?  Is there differences in the quality?  One would think that MIJ is better than MIC...?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 02, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
Welcome to the forum Chondropython. (cool name)

You're right that age and country of origin are linked. Generally speaking the progression goes
80 - 92 : Japan
92 - early 2000's: Korea
Recently - China

Generally, the opinion is the older the better, with the early HBs from Japan being different, and a bit nicer than the later ones.

That being said, Washburn has made a habit of factory hopping over the last 30 years, and there are Korean and Chinese factories that makes excellent guitars, so it's a bit hit or miss.

If you've got time to read a little, check this out (http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16184)...

there are a few other threads with tons of information and speculation on here. Brew a pot of coffee and hit the search function.

I can tell you this, I love my HB. Everything about it. Mine is 1988 Japan. Seen dudes playing live with Koreans recently, and John Bell from Widespread PAnic plays an HB made from a Chinese built box, with lots of custom shop TLC.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 03, 2010, 09:44:28 PM
Thanks for the info!  Funny that you mention JB... I'm a huge WP fan and basically bought this guitar because of seeing his all the time.... such a nice looking piece.   Any idea what pickups he has in his?  From the reviews I've found on line, the pickups are the only weak part of this guitar, and I'm planning to change them out. I play my Les Paul 90% of the time, but have been wanting one of these for a long time.  

Is there anyway to date the guitar based on the serial number?  The guy I got it from on ebay told me that it is a 1991 model, but it says made in Korea... so based on your info above, 1991 is not the correct year.  The serial number is: 01050478.  

I've also read that the older MIJ ones are generally considered the best, but I really like the look of the split block inlays, and I don't believe the MIJ ones have them.  

I'm really stoked about it and looking forward to modding it.  It should arrive on Wednesday or Thursday!

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: nogin007 on May 04, 2010, 07:25:21 AM
 01050478

May, 2001.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 04, 2010, 07:54:08 AM
yep, what Nogin said.
I'm sure you'll love it, and the Korean builds can be very high quality. My Idol is '03 Korean, and it's top notch.

Give those pickups a chance too, some people love them. But if you were going to switch them out, I'd think any of the multiple PAF clones on the market would be a good option.

As for John Bell, I don't know what he uses, and sadly either does the guy who built the guitar. My guess is that WP has some pretty good tech's, and he likely has them rip out whatever they come with and put something tried and true in it.

My choice, money no object, would be a set of Lollar Imperials. Gibson 57's would be excellent also. I have a vintage Seymour Duncan JB, split, in the bridge of mine and use it almost exclusively. I still have the original Washburn 621 in the neck. It's not bad, but the pickup is physically falling apart, so I need to replace it. Not sure what I'm going to go with.

Make sure you get some pics up here!

cheers!
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 04, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
Thanks guys!  I will definitely post some pics when I get it.

First mod will be to install new pick-up rings.  I'd like to go ahead and order these can someone answer a few questions:

1) Is the binding on a wine red guitar white or cream?  It's hard to tell in pics

2) Are the pickup rings angled?

3) Are the pickup rings curved?

Thanks!
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 04, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Also, what is the std ga of strings?  10s?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 04, 2010, 02:42:53 PM
string gauge is completely up to you. I have no idea what they would spec with them, but I bet it's 9's. I currently have 10's on mine, Boomers, to be precise.

The rings are standard humbucker rings, angled.

Binding...can only speculate so I'll leave that to an owner.

Curious...why are you changing the rings?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 04, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
Are the stock rings also curved to match the archtop?

It's coming with the standard black rings... I think white / cream look better.  

http://www.widespreadpanic.com/cms_files/images/cms_image_31732.jpg

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 04, 2010, 03:50:45 PM
I see. You are REALLY going for the JB look.

Here is a photo, I think the binding is white and the rings are cream. Taken earlier this year.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/bellwithaHB.jpg)

Personally, I'm partial to the TSB look, which is what I have.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/0811090433127535240_2004_v1.jpg)
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 04, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Yeah, I like them both and went back & forth, but since I aleady have a few bursts, I went with the wine red.

He has played a few over the years... I've been seeing them since 1991.  At one point he played one in natural finish as well.  I've often wondered how he got hooked up with Washburn... do you have any idea?  He's been playing them since the very beginning.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 04, 2010, 07:12:51 PM
Check out this thread (http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16186)
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on May 04, 2010, 07:15:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

Check out this thread (http://)

Ugh... newbs!

Check out  this (http://forums.washburn.com/faq.asp#hyperlink).
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 04, 2010, 07:57:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket
Ugh... newbs!

Check out  this (http://forums.washburn.com/faq.asp#hyperlink).



Easy there, Dudley DoRight. Surely you've read enough of my threads to know that I routinely PROPERLY hyperlink.

Thanks for the editorial backup however. Link corrected.[B)][B)]
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: nogin007 on May 05, 2010, 07:22:39 AM
StewMac has some TV Jones, Gretsch pickups that mount like a regular humbucker. You can also get a P90 type, single coil, that is built in a humbucker case.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 17, 2010, 02:11:28 PM
I finally got this axe about a week ago and really love the way it plays... not realy happy with the pickups, but I was already planning to replace them anyway.  I've ordered a new pick up set and made an appt with my guitar tech to replace them along with all new pots, caps and wiring.  Will post pics once I get it completed.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 17, 2010, 08:41:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Chondropython

I've ordered a new pick up set and made an appt with my guitar tech to replace them along with all new pots, caps and wiring.



come on man. We're junkies! you can't be that vague and expect us to be ok with it!!

What did you choose??

When I got mine, I couldn't believe the action and the comfort, neck, right arm...everything. Super easy guitar to play. Sounds like you're having a similar experience.

Looking forward to the pics.

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 18, 2010, 09:32:05 AM
Ha! Sorry!  

I decided on a set of SD Pearly Gates for the neck and bridge, CTS 500K pots, bumblebee caps.  Also changing the pickup rings from black to white or cream (have ordered both and will see which looks better) and the knobs to gold speed knobs.  The original pickup covers that came with the guitar are all scratched up and have lost all of their gold plating, so I am replaceing them with new ones as well.  

After all is said & done, I will have a top-notch axe for less than $800!  

I agree with you that it is a very comfortable guitar to play... the neck is slim, which I like for some songs but I'm not really used to it yet... I'm used to the chunky 50's style LP necks... the slim neck is growing on me though.  I played it exclusively for the first week I had it, and really like it; however, as soon as I plugged in a LP, the difference in sound quality was obvious and the decision to swap out electronics was made.

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 18, 2010, 12:56:13 PM
Nice choice! A pearly gates neck is the lead candidate for my replacement, to be paired with a 1982 SD JB-J. I'll be very interested to hear your take on such a hot set in an HB.

For contrast, what do you have in the LP?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 18, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
My main LP has 57 classics in it, which I love.

I went back & forth between the PGs and the Alnico Pro II's, which are a little less hot.  But, found several forum thread on the SD site where people had used the PG's in a hollow body and loved the results. I hope they aren't too hot... we'll see...
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 19, 2010, 06:08:38 PM
Hi Newbie here. I have just purchased a vintage HB35. I've read with interest the various threads on this forum about dating these guitars. First, here's some HB porn:

(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/washburn.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/HB35back.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/HB35backhead.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/HB35fullback.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/HB35head.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/Catscratch_photo/HB35/HB35incase.jpg)

OK, now with the risk of reigniting an old debate (light blue wick paper and stand back).

The seller believes the guitar to be a 1981 model. The evidence, Me Lord for your consideration:

1. Serial number 8183
2. Dated by Washburn as 1981 manufacture.
3. Purchased by the person I bought it off in 1985. I'm not sure if it was new or second hand.

I bought it fully knowing that it might not be an actually 1981 but was impressed by the condition and the vintage vibe. [8D]These are not my photos so when I get the guitar in my hand I might be able to  shed more light on its origins.

BTW the brown mark on the upper horn is the timber grain.

Common sense was never that common
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 21, 2010, 02:09:32 AM
I plan to upgrade the above guitar. As it won't arrive for a least a week I would like to get the parts on the way to be ready for when it arrives.

Can anybody help me with some information:

What is the thickness of the soundboard?
Will I be able to fit standard CTS 500k pots through the F hole or will have have to go to mini pots?
What type of pickup selector will fit ( CTS right angle, long or short straight shaft)?

I will replace the stock pickup with a pair of SD '59s that are hanging around my workbench (that is until I can afford a pair of Bare Knuckle Stormy Mondays). Caps will probably be PIO (Vitamin Q or Jensens). Wire will be vintage braided. Given the level of construction it should sound pretty close to an early 60's 335.

Thanks in anticipation.

COMMON SENSE WAS NEVER THAT COMMOM
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 21, 2010, 06:53:11 AM
Dude. score.

nice box, man. I agree that with the work you're planning, you'll have a guitar comparable to early 60's 335 sound. And from the Gibson's ES-335's I've held in my hands and inspected recently, a better quality than new, by far. (IMHO)

as to the vintage....you've obviously read the threads. who the hell knows. Mine is 8148, with the exact fretboard, body stylings, peghead shape and veneer, BUT, you've got a 5 piece neck, solid strips from tip to body. Mine has a scarf joint, and is solid mahogany. Major difference. Only adds to the mystery. check this peghead shot.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/HB-35/P1050007.jpg)

In researching for my upgrade, I was told standard pots would fit through the f-hole, and to go with the 90 degree selector switch, but I'm repeating council, not speaking from first hand experience.

check this thread... (http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18195)

our man Cornish Boy put a link to a tutorial from your beloved bare knuckle forum.

Keep us posted. I'm psyched to see the HB-35 getting some love on here from guys who are looking to PLAY.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 21, 2010, 08:05:39 AM
Here is a crappy cell phone pic of mine as I received it (less the pickguard)... will post some quality pics after the rebuild.

(http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/23872010-05-12_18.16.43.jpg)
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 21, 2010, 08:06:04 PM
Hi Tio. I noted that your guitar was closest to mine. The most interesting  bit of information from the guy I bought it from was that he got it in 1985. He was very sure of this. On this basis yours would appear to be older than 1988. Intriguing point regarding the neck construction though. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that these models were not made in huge quantities. Considering the decade they were made I wouldn't have thought that there was a great demand for them so normal assumption regarding serial sequence and dates might not apply.

I've seen the Bare Knuckle link but I prefer the methodology used in this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/rsguitarworks#p/u/16/rRieP-FEVVA
http://www.youtube.com/user/rsguitarworks#p/u/15/PcPqHuVUcXc
http://www.youtube.com/user/rsguitarworks#p/u/14/McAp_82QPMY

Chondropython, nice axe. Is it really that red in the flesh[?] If I could change anything about my guitar it would be the inclusion of the headstock inlay. I don't mind the split blocks either but I'm not so keen on the Les Paul type top horn switching.

BTW what's the axe behind the HB35? Looks like so kind of electo resonator.

COMMON SENSE WAS NEVER THAT COMMOM
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on May 21, 2010, 08:35:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by catscratch

Considering the decade they were made I wouldn't have thought that there was a great demand for them...

Huh?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 22, 2010, 12:34:18 AM
Rocket, what I meant was that my recollection of the 80's was that the guitars in demand were high powered rock machines (Charvel, Ibanez etc). A resurgence of interest in Semi holows seemed to coincide with the influence of players such as Dave Grohl and the emergence of Indie and Brit pop bands.

Of course I could be totally wrong but I imagine that Washburn, and indeed Gibson, is selling more of these style of guitars lately than they did in the 80's.

COMMON SENSE WAS NEVER THAT COMMOM
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on May 22, 2010, 08:24:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by catscratch

Rocket, what I meant was that my recollection of the 80's was that the guitars in demand were high powered rock machines (Charvel, Ibanez etc). A resurgence of interest in Semi holows seemed to coincide with the influence of players such as Dave Grohl and the emergence of Indie and Brit pop bands.

Of course I could be totally wrong but I imagine that Washburn, and indeed Gibson, is selling more of these style of guitars lately than they did in the 80's.

Totally wrong... since 1959 the 335's have always been huge sellers. Every serious guitarist MUST have at least one in their lineup. Just can't get that Electro-Spanish (ES) sound without one.
Blues, Jazz, Rock, R&B, Metal, Country, (even Rockabilly with the right amp.)
Like cheese... goes with everything!

Sidenote: I'm surprised that Washburn never produced a Rockabilly 6120 style... something to think about Washburn.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 22, 2010, 09:09:04 AM
I was gigging in the late 70's and 80's and outside of Jazz you couldn't give them away.

Metal and an ES? Cheese and ice cream!

As to being totally wrong, well maybe I am but until I see some solid data my guess is as good as yours

COMMON SENSE WAS NEVER THAT COMMOM
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 22, 2010, 11:28:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rocket
Sidenote: I'm surprised that Washburn never produced a Rockabilly 6120 style... something to think about Washburn.



Good point. what exactly is distinct about the 6120? TV Jones' p'ups?

what is NOT 6120-ish about these?

J9 Washington
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/WashburnJ9.jpg)

J9
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/j6.jpg)

Check out the headstock and serial# on this J6. Interesting
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/tiokimo/washburn-j6-0611.jpg)

I've become a fan of a guy here in Chicagoland that absolutely tears it up on a 6120, and a friend of mine got a 6120 jr, which is a shallow bodied 6120, as I understand it. I really like those guitars.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on May 22, 2010, 12:33:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

what is NOT 6120-ish about these?

In the case of Rockabilly/6120... it's about sounds that standard Humbuckers can't produce. It's about DynaSonic, DeArmond, HiLoTron, FilterTron, TVJ's, expansive sound chambers, Bigsby's, & Tube Amps.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 22, 2010, 01:12:51 PM
well, given that TVJ's are available in a HB size, do you think these are capable with the p'up change?

Do the 6120's have some sort of wiring issues that are unique as well?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on May 22, 2010, 06:35:15 PM
Don't know about the wiring but installing some TV's might get some interesting results with that J9.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: WEBgUy on May 26, 2010, 10:21:42 AM
Just an FYI for the John Bell fans, his last HB35 had Seymour Duncans - Custom Custom bridge & '59 neck,
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 26, 2010, 12:14:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by catscratch

Chondropython, nice axe. Is it really that red in the flesh[?] If I could change anything about my guitar it would be the inclusion of the headstock inlay. I don't mind the split blocks either but I'm not so keen on the Les Paul type top horn switching.

BTW what's the axe behind the HB35? Looks like so kind of electo resonator.

COMMON SENSE WAS NEVER THAT COMMOM



Yes, it is pretty red... and in excellent shape for its age... barely a scratch or scuff on it.  

LOL... the green guitar behind it is my 3yr old's toy electric... it's battery powered and has its own speaker.

I was just checking out Tio's posted link and noticed the part about the right angle switch.  I just ordered the balance of my upgrade parts including a Switchcraft 3-way long toggle switch... I got this one because it said that it was for 335s, but I did not consider that the location of the switch on my HB 35 was in a different location... damnit!  Does anyone know for sure if a long toggle will work?  I have scheduled the work with my tech for next week, and need to bring him all the parts.. it would suck if my new switch didn't fit!
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on May 26, 2010, 02:33:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by WEBgUy

Just an FYI for the John Bell fans, his last HB35 had Seymour Duncans - Custom Custom bridge & '59 neck,



No kidding.......

Thanks a lot WEBgUy, appreciate that info.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 26, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
Chondropython. I thought the switch for a 335 was supposed to be right angled. In fact I've just ordered a gold CTS RH switch, gold switchcraft input, CTS pots, gold hex nuts, vintage wire and PIO caps for my refit. The guitar arrives in the next few days. As I indicated I have set of SD 59's kicking around so intitially I'll put them in the old pick up covers. From the photos they look a bit worn and I can't tell whether that look is vintage or just clapped out. Same with the tuners. I've been hankering to do some pearl inlay (I'm an incorrgible tinkerer). It would be cool to bling up the headstock but I'm still undecided as to whether it's advisable to preserve the vintage value of the guitar.

Had to laugh about the kid's toy. I've been thinking that my next project (after a Fender Blues Junior 6V6 20 watt conversion) is building an electric resonator (with pearl inlay bling of course!!).
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 26, 2010, 06:16:46 PM
As a matter of interest I have been compiling a database about MIJ HB35s. Everything on this forum and everything I can find on the net (including French and Italian sites). The project is ongoing and I can't come to any definitive conclusions at this point but all is not what it seems. Stay tuned.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 26, 2010, 08:01:34 PM
I'm not sure... here's a link to the site where I got most of my parts from... this is the switch recommended for a 335...

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/SWT32-24/Switchcraft-3-Way-Long-Toggle-Switch-for-Guitar-Nickel.html
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 26, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
Here's another HB-35 re-build thread where the guy seems to use a regular 3-way toggle switch...

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=473956
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 27, 2010, 12:40:46 PM
One more thing... not sure if you were planning to change the pickup rings, but I've noticed that the neck position is a flat bottom ring, but the bridge is a curved bottom... I suspect that's why the guy in the gearpage thread had trouble getting his to fit.  I haven't tried to put mine on yet, but I've laid them over the existing ones and the holes seem to line up perfectly...
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on May 27, 2010, 07:02:48 PM
Yours is a Korean with the switch on the horn, which I imagine is a narrower space than the MIJ or ES 335 position. 335s use Right angle switches. Not saying  you're wrong but...
http://www.acmeguitarworks.com/Wiring-Kit-Gibson-ES-335-P1146.aspx

...however I've seen plently of instances of short straight switches being used. The real issue will probably be how thick is the soundboard. I know Epiphone and MIK Washburn soundboards have are generally thicker than Gibsons and that deeper retaining nuts need to be used.

Here's a HB35 being rewired:

1. Right angled switch
2. Soundboard too thick for the switch (whether its straight or Right angled the issue is the thread length).

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10301.0

Here's the part that fixes the problem:

http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/electrical_toggleswitches.htm   (down the bottom)
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on May 27, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Thanks for the tip... I have no idea which switch really goes on a 335... I was only going by what that parts website I linked to said when I mentioned that I thought it was a long toggle.

I have now seen 2 HB-35 rebuild threads... one used a right angle and one used a shorty.  So, I went ahead and ordered the shorty with the extension ring (neither website had a right angle toggle in gold).

I should have all the parts by next week and will post how it goes.

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on June 15, 2010, 08:18:43 AM
Getting my HB35 back today... can't wait!

Mods include:

- New Switchcraft gold switch & jack
- CTS 500K pots
- Authentic 1950's Sprague Bumble Bee Caps
- Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates gold neck & bridge pickups
- New cream colored pick up rings... all new gold mounting screws
- Gold speed knobs
- Vintage style cloth wiring
- Pickguard... gone!

will post pics!
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: NickS on June 15, 2010, 09:14:21 PM
Let us know how those Pearly Gates sound.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on June 15, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by NickS

Let us know how those Pearly Gates sound.



+1

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Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on June 18, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
Man, they sound incredible!  I have not even had a chance to crank them through one of my tube amps yet, only my practice amp, but wow... they are exactly what I was looking for.  I think alot of it also has to do with the upgraded pots and caps... I am able to get so many different sounds with a little tweaking.  Can't wait until band practice this weekend so I can really crank her up!

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Rocket on June 18, 2010, 12:58:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Chondropython

Man, they sound incredible!  I have not even had a chance to crank them through one of my tube amps yet...

Incredible is a pretty serious adjective... how do you know they sound incredible if you haven't had a chance to crank 'em yet?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on June 18, 2010, 07:46:59 PM
I seriously doubt that the pots and caps have little to do with the improvement in sound. I'm in the process of doing similar but am doing it for cap values and reliability of operation. The pickups are more likely to be the key element of improvement.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on June 22, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
An interesting MIK HB35 on eBay at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-MIK-WASHBURN-HB35-ES335-335-COPY-SEMI-HOLLOWBODY-/140416711579?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Guitar&hash=item20b17cfb9b
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on June 24, 2010, 01:21:55 PM
Well, I've had a chance to really dig into the guitar and, yes, crank it through several tube amps, and I can confirm that it sounds incredible. I'll try to upload some pics and maybe a youtube demo soon so that you can hear it.  Have not touched my LP since I got this thing back!

Is it just me, or do these hb35s have a VERY slim neck? I always thought that I liked thicker necks better, but my playing seems to be better on this guitar... especially on the upper frets.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on January 23, 2011, 02:55:46 PM
So, I've finally gotten around to uploading a pic of this guitar... I love it!

(http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/2387Washburn.jpg)
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: catscratch on January 23, 2011, 03:58:33 PM
Sweet!!!!
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on January 23, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
good looking guitar CP. So the PG's, do they clean up pretty well when necessary?

Any chance you can put some clips up?
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: wmjonson on March 28, 2011, 12:36:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

Welcome to the forum Chondropython. (cool name)

You're right that age and country of origin are linked. Generally speaking the progression goes
80 - 92 : Japan
92 - early 2000's: Korea
Recently - China

Generally, the opinion is the older the better, with the early HBs from Japan being different, and a bit nicer than the later ones.

That being said, Washburn has made a habit of factory hopping over the last 30 years, and there are Korean and Chinese factories that makes excellent guitars, so it's a bit hit or miss.

If you've got time to read a little, check this out (http://forums.washburn.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16184)...

there are a few other threads with tons of information and speculation on here. Brew a pot of coffee and hit the search function.

I can tell you this, I love my HB. Everything about it. Mine is 1988 Japan. Seen dudes playing live with Koreans recently, and John Bell from Widespread PAnic plays an HB made from a Chinese built box, with lots of custom shop TLC.



TK check this out an HB35 serial # 101 the guy says 87 model, V headstock. http://cgi.ebay.com/1987-WASHBURN-HB35-made-JAPAN-/220761119066?pt=Guitar&hash=item336663595a
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: wmjonson on March 28, 2011, 12:49:19 AM
TK check this out an HB35 serial # 101 the guy says 87 model, V headstock. http://cgi.ebay.com/1987-WASHBURN-HB35-made-JAPAN-/220761119066?pt=Guitar&hash=item336663595a
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: wmjonson on March 28, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
WASHBURN model HB-35

made in  JAPAN

serial number 101


This gorgeous example is from the lost years of HB35 production during the mid to late 80's. Made under contract by Matsumoku (that's what the Washburn folks told me on the phone)....I say that's likely, comparing it to my collection of other Uncle Matt semis, but quite possibly could have been produced by Yamaki since they contracted at one time with Washburn to produce some acoustics.

This one has the one piece neck with diamond volute. Non branded tuners. There is wear on the gold hardware and the neck bucker mounting ring screws have been replaced. Also, there is some stippling and scratching on the lower bout side where it was propped on the floor. On the rear there is light beltbuckle and chafe marks where it was laid down. The frets show little wear and the fretboard, binding, and neck are excellent. No significant dents, and only one ding thru the finish which can be seen just off the bass side of the tailpiece.

I would rate this guitar an 8.5-9.0. The reason I'm calling this a 1987 is that I found a date code on the selector switch. It reads: 87 12 30.

Comes with a gigbag.

Just what the guy says on his ebay listing, I think the date code would make it an 88 but that 101 serial is a shocker.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 29, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
I've given up trying to make sense of the numbers on these. I'd agree it's Japanese, It's freakin' beautiful, and it's a STEAL at that price.

FYI, I sold my HB. May have to consider this!! Love the red, don't see many that vintage in that color.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: wmjonson on March 29, 2011, 08:58:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

I've given up trying to make sense of the numbers on these. I'd agree it's Japanese, It's freakin' beautiful, and it's a STEAL at that price.

FYI, I sold my HB. May have to consider this!! Love the red, don't see many that vintage in that color.



The serials do seem to be a mystery that cannot be solved.

Why did you sell your HB?

I have been having a problem with my left hand so I may be selling my HB mij(sold the mik one already) also my 4 acoustics and 3 or 4 amps, I have a ton of supplies since I also was doing repairs. Doc gave me a script but it don't seem to help much. I would hate to give it all up  Now I am like someone trying to play with a boxing glove on the left hand.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 29, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
well, i came across a guy who HAD to have it, and doubled my money on it, and used the money to finance another purchase.

Man, I can't tell you how sorry I am to here the other news. All this stuff pales in comparison to something like that,  we tend to take things for granted.

I truly hope your situation improves.

Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: wmjonson on March 30, 2011, 02:34:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tio Kimo

well, i came across a guy who HAD to have it, and doubled my money on it, and used the money to finance another purchase.

Man, I can't tell you how sorry I am to here the other news. All this stuff pales in comparison to something like that,  we tend to take things for granted.

I truly hope your situation improves.





TK
I usually have to take a loss when I sell, glad you did okay selling yours, there are still a lot of mij HB's out there, you'll find another I feel sure.

Thank you so much for your concern.[:)]
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: t.y. on March 30, 2011, 02:38:21 AM
So what year is this guitar? is anyone sure.I want a HB. And this one sure looks nice. Tio Kimo, what do you think a fair price for this would be? I would probably go slightly over that as I value & trust you guys opinion, in saying this is a real nice guitar.I want a HB-35, but I want a real nice one. I have 8 guitars now, and have grown wiser, and want to buy the best, instead of just ones that look nice, and are relatively inexpensive. thanks Tom.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Tio Kimo on March 30, 2011, 12:13:19 PM
I really really do not know the year. 87 ish is as good as you'll get. Taking all the factors of the build into consideration, it's certainly MIJ, and it LOOKS beautiful (looks capitalized, because these are PHOTOS, only holding it and playing it can verify)

If it were string through I'd suggest it's 81 ish, but it's not. The wing headstock seems to be unusual that late in the 80's.....this is the same circular argument we get into all the time.

If it's in as good shape as it appears, I'd think going as high as 600 isn't unreasonable. Assuming you want a guitar, not an investment. You won't flip it for a profit at that price.

these are all my opinions only, which my ex will tell you are blatantly worthless,

Caveat Emptor
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: t.y. on March 30, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
Thank you for this advise. I am waiting to see how high the bids go. I hope there are not to many folks that really want to spend real cash for this. I have 500.00 saved, could probably scrape together a little more. now its Waite and see. at 400.00 reserve still not met. hope they don't have like a 800.00 or something way high like that reserve. or I just don't have enough for it. thank,s Tom.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: t.y. on March 30, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
Oh yeah,if I was to get lucky and win it ,it would be a keeper, not a flip. Tom.
Title: Older HB35 Question
Post by: t.y. on April 04, 2011, 03:42:07 PM
The seller is a smart a,, . So I did not buy it. I asked him what they would take 2 hours before end of auction, he gave back a bad remark, so I will find another guitar, would really rather have a burst pattern anyway. so still hunting.  Tom. p.s. I see it is still for sale.
Title: Re: Older HB35 Question
Post by: Chondropython on February 17, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
Here are a few clips of some hill country blues tunes with my modded HB-35.

Never mind the poor singing and mess ups!

120205 Po Black Maddie by Low Down Dirties on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free (http://snd.sc/yZ48mA)

120205 Rollin' and Tumblin' by Low Down Dirties on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free (http://snd.sc/x47rL7)