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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn Force 8 BBR
« on: April 30, 2019, 04:29:52 PM »
Hi! New here and huge Washburn fan. Mostley all Washburn's but espacially the Japanese made. Latest one is this, 1984 Force 8 in rare BBR trim. As a understand this particular model was only build in 1984. Someone who can verify that?



Whats the serial number and where is it located? That will tell us all about it.

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Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Washburn Falcon Vintage 79
« on: January 27, 2019, 04:30:31 PM »
It's a troll post no need to reply

Yea I figured that, but you never know :)

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Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Washburn Falcon Vintage 79
« on: January 26, 2019, 03:34:26 PM »
Do you have a picture of it? And what is the serial number. I should be able to provide you with more info on it through the serial number.

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Hi everyone, I need to replace the neck on my Washburn Raven, any recommendations on where to find a Raven neck or which necks are compatible?

Thanks,
Bruno

Whats wrong with the neck you have now? I might have a few friends that can help you out. Send me a PM and we will take it from there.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Force 8 Bass
« on: January 20, 2019, 08:49:56 PM »
And let me guess. The one you talk about when it comes to the reciept was a Hohner or Lotus build by Moridaira?
Umm... hi? ???

This is a site concerned with Washburn guitars.

You might note from my signature that I own multiple Washburn guitars. The rest of my collection isn't listed, for what I hope is a glaringly obvious reason.

It wouldn't be too much of a leap to assume that I am specifically here speaking about Washburn guitars (though my 2005 Lyon has an eight-digit s/n, fwiw).

Point of comparison: Fender (including Squier) has apparently never had a "month digit," & didn't even indicate year until 1976. Epiphone's vendors have been shown to have used one- AND two-digit years (same year, same factory), & at least one doesn't use ANY month code.

To repeat myself, there is no good reason to believe that there is some "secret code" built into EVERY serial number -- it's NOT like a VIN.

The reason I mention Moridaira is that they indeed used sn where the first 2 digits were not the year.

As for Washburn. You are sort of correct. You know more about Washburn than I do. In fact, I dont doubt that at all. But I am sorry to say, but I know more about Yamaki than you do :). Thats where my expertese comes in - with a little bit of a sidebonus info about other factories between 77-84.

So you might very well be correct about Washburns from other factories - and other production years - but for the Wings, Stage and Force series, the first 2 digits IS the year - and they were all made by Yamaki (between 77-84 as I mentioned before).

All of this is actually also why I wrote to you in a PM but you completely dismissed that without even checking the info. If you had done that, you would have know I am correct in this.

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Are there any signs of the serial number left? I am guessing around 82 or so.

An idea for a scratchplate would be brushed aluminum. That would look really cool

And I am a sucker for black with gold hardware.

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General Discussion on Washburn Electric Guitars / Re: HB35 serial number
« on: January 09, 2019, 07:01:38 PM »
What type of bridge is it? Is it a string through the body design?

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You have a very nice Falcon right there.

Its build in 1981 by Yamaki. It looks all original. I like it a lot. Do you have an original case for it as well?

You can find the catalog for it here:
http://www.oldguitar.jp/catalog/washburn/WASHBURN%20Electric%20and%20Bass%201980_0005.jpg

If you wanna know more about it, feel free to join the Daion/Yamaki/Washburn group on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1066707010017715/?ref=bookmarks

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Its not build between 82-84. Yamaki was building these until 84 and they did not build this one. Chushin took over in 84 and Chushin used stickers for serial numbers between 84-85. They also build a lot of instruments under a LOT of different brands - like Grant, Yoshi, Anea, and so on.

So I am 99% sure this one was build by Chushin between 84-85.

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General Discussion / Re: When did the Yairi factory burn down?
« on: January 07, 2019, 01:01:00 PM »
Neither Yairi or Matsumoku burned down - ever. Thats a myth. It never happened.

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Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Force 8 Bass
« on: January 07, 2019, 12:46:24 PM »
This Force 8 is interesting. It is indeed made in 1984, but its neither Yamaki or Matsomuko. Its made by Chushin using left over parts from Yamaki. And yes it is a part of the BBR series. Very cool. I like it.

The earlies Force we have seen was from 1983 and that would be right at the end of Yamaki (they moved from Suwa to Shiga in late 83). By early 1984 they went under.

And Tony, you are missing 1 point. Yamaki had a max production number of 1000 instruments pr month. About half of those were Acoustics using another style of serial numbers. That leaves 500 a month - split into Daion, Yamaki and Washburn. 4 digits was plenty enough for that.

So even though you might disagree, that doesnt change the fact that when it comes to these, the first 2 digits does tell the year. And let me guess. The one you talk about when it comes to the reciept was a Hohner or Lotus build by Moridaira?

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General Discussion / Re: Washburn build by Matsumoku and/or Yamaki?
« on: December 16, 2017, 06:14:13 AM »
Fascinating thread...

This is totally speculation, but speaking of Terada...its possible that they made the Washburn Hollowbody guitars in the late 80s (1988-1989).  My reasoning for this is that Terada was known for making the Barrington Guitars, including the beautiful BGW-200.  Here is a late 80s Barrington BGW-200



Now....here is a Washburn HB-60... from the same era 1988-89:



Very similar in birdseye maple.

It is possible yes. The best way to prove it, is to use the serial numbers. Since it wasnt allowed to use 2 different styles of sn, you find a Terada with a sn, and compare it to yours. If the sn match it was made by the same people :)

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General Discussion / Re: Washburn build by Matsumoku and/or Yamaki?
« on: December 13, 2017, 09:51:15 AM »
Sorry but I am still uncertain about the claim that Terada ever made acoustics for Washburn I have checked with several folks who know Washburns and they have never seen one either that was built by Terada. I do recall someone mentioning that they did build some proto type guitars for them but they never went into production so I myself would NEVER include them with just the serial numbering in any written books without proper proof, i look at it as liking buying a vintage guitar you want documentation or you would want someone like Jim Smith Sr. to weigh in and say that he has guitars built by Terada as right now he is the most knowledgeable person in all of the world on Washburn guitars and where and when. I do not consider myself an expert by any means but I have bought many Washburns and have searched catalogues and the net for any connection to Terada and found nothing but speculation that he might have.

Thats just it. I am also not specifically looking into Terada as a builder for Washburn. I am looking into Yamaki/Washburn/Daion instruments. Thats where my focus is :). That being said, there are some things that I know because of this research we have done. Tereda is one of the factories.
However, if you want a tip to figure this out, you should study Terada branded instruments and their serial numbers. Find out what style of serial number they were using. After you have done that, you compare that style to Washburns. Since you KNOW that by JP law they were not allowed to have 2 different styles at the same time, you now have proof about Washburns.

After that you confirm that proof can by comparing this with catalogs + people that worked there and so on.

Thats the process we have been going through with Daion and Washburns. We dont use serial numbers as the only proof. We use serial numbers + our Daion contact as well other contacts in Japan to get this confirmed all the way. We have multiple confirmations saying the same thing. Thats also why we are so sure that this is correct.

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General Discussion / Re: Washburn build by Matsumoku and/or Yamaki?
« on: December 10, 2017, 03:47:24 AM »
The style they used was 6 digits stamped/burned into the heel of the neck
Please define what YOU mean by "heel of the neck." For us lutheirs, that would be "just north of the neck pocket."

You are right. I could have explained better what I was talking about.

A picture says 1000 words.


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General Discussion / Re: Washburn build by Matsumoku and/or Yamaki?
« on: December 08, 2017, 11:22:23 AM »
I still have not heard that Terada actually made any acoustics for Washburn I know they were very heavy into the electric and we also know that there were smaller runs of guitars made of basic models but I think that was after Rudy took over when we see a shift into different guitars. I have tried to reach out to the Beckmen Winery to see if he would provide any more info from when they owned it but never got a response back from him. All we can provide is the best info gathered from each and all of us and then one day who knows maybe someone will sit down and write the damn book on Washburn and clean up a ton of misinformation.

Hehe funny you should say that. That book is on the way - written by the 2 friends and myself. Right now we have about 80% of the Yamaki/Daion/Washburn history confirmed and as soon as the last part is confirmed, we will go public with the whole thing.

As for Terada. Thats the interesting part about the serial numbers. Because I know what style of serial numbers Terada used, I can ID the instruments that they build. This is on the acoustics by the way. Those are the easiest to see. The style they used was 6 digits stamped/burned into the heel of the neck with an sn where the 2 first digits are the year (80xxxx). So yea, some the Washburn acoustics are indeed build by Terada :)

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