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Show Us Your Washburn / Re: Need help with model type
« on: May 04, 2013, 12:05:20 AM »
Thank you, washburn id, for so kindly posting your pictures. Now nobody can say you are crazy--here is another 1981 Wing Strat copy for ya!  Note it is also MADE IN USA! Sorry, washburn id, but the sideways, small initial headstock picture you posted looks like it starts with a "37" instead of "81" which it is--that is what was so disconcerting and misleading for me!
Dang it--been too long, forgot how to post pictures and could find no help from anything on this site. So here are the photobucket pics of the 1981 Strat copy, Wing series SN 81107 (I got the number wrong when I first mentioned it---also I really like the maple color of this one! I scrounged this off the net a long time ago---and of course, washburn id, I will save the photos you have provided here for my research catalog as I continue to try and get this history untangled (for which I thank you very much)----maybe years from now SINCE THE WASHBURN RECORDS WERE TOSSED---SHAME SHAME!!!)

Ain't this something!! Anyone have any catalog page showing it?  I have been desperately looking for something to show the official name of the guitar but nothing so far. The Japanese ad I had hope for is giving me nothing so far other than what the Raven, Hawk and Eagle were called in Japan which itself is interesting.  I'll post again here on this thread as I find stuff! I do ask----no BEG---everyone else to go on the hunt for the official name of the Wing Strat copy!!!! And post it here also. We have a really cool thing here with this mostly unknown addition to the Wing family!!!  WOW!

Remember the 1983 G-3 guitar was also a Strat copy (I think a cheaper price one than the Force 30??? Somebody can clarify? Anyway, it's front view is exactly like the 1981 Wing Strat and the Force 30 Strat  but I am thinking it had a bolt-on neck instead of a set neck?  I am just musing the 1981 is gonna be called (IF WE EVER GET THE OFFICIAL NAME) a "3" or a "30".  Keeping my fingers crossed it is discovered.  For now I'm just calling it a WING STRAT.

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: Need help with model type
« on: May 02, 2013, 08:47:44 PM »
This is really interesting.  Either you are fooling with us, someone is fooling with you or you have a very interesting piece.  Please, no disrespect intended but a couple things are bewildering. I will give it my best shot with what you have said and shown tho it is not near enough.

Washburn indeed did make a 1981 WING series guitar---Strat copy so to speak (I actually have a picture of one).  They have got to be RARE, RARE, RARE as I have NEVER found any documentation of any kind other than the pictures I have of it.  Now why do you think yours is a 1981? That is the puzzler here. 
Here is why:
They did have 5 numbers as the SN, just like yours.  I have pics of one with the serial number being, interestingly enough, 81017, clearly stamped on the back of the maple headstock at the top.  Your own SN looks to be 37017.  The earliest the Force series head was used for anything was in 1982 with the B-40EQW and Force 40EQ (both using the SB-40 electronics package).
The regular Force 30 came out in 1983 as Cornelius Boy said. With the Force headstock. as you pointed out. Then Force style ruled for a few years.
What does that leave us?
Well, the bass page for 1982 magazine ad was repeated in 1983!  Same basses, same format and design. I have actual pages for both years.  I also do have the 1983 ad showing the Force 30--same format, design, etc of the ad-----I have to assume THAT guitar ad is ALSO a repeat of 1982 and I am looking hard for a copy of it. SO------if that is so, then the Force 30 WAS in the initial Force headstock lineup of 1982 along with the basses, not just 1983.  Even though the WINGS were still going strong in 1982 as well.
Whew--with me so far?
So that is all nice. But we come back to 1981--------your Wing Strat copy was available then---with '81 SN's.  Funny thing--try to find an ad! And I hate to always jump to.."Oh, its a proto-type" or "Oh, its a one-of-a-kind"  That is too convenient and with amount of Washburn problems such as the 1983 Force 40EQ bass with B-40 electronics that was reviewed in a magazine but never made it out to stores in ANY sort of number (making it the rarest of all Force instruments), your OWN problem of ID fits right in with Washburn's mystery-making penchant.

But two things:
1) that's where we jump to Washburn's inconsistencies and mind-boggling errors on these excellent instruments. INCLUDING with serial numbers. Take for example the THREE styles of serial numbers for Ravens in 1980:  1980 Raven SN CC800016 and 1980 Raven SN 80369E and 1980 RAVEN SN 800641 (I have pictures of them) The 1988 Raven (WING series) came into production with 5 numbers,and 1 letter behind the numbers, such as the picture I have of Raven serial number 88312E. And the reissue of Wing guitars '92-'95 used a mix of short number and some really long numbers such as 1994 SB-5 Reissue Raven SN  S94080351 (made in Korea).

SO where does that leave YOUR serial number? 
  (a) Was it a mistake? Should the "37" of your SN have been an "81"?
  (b) Is your "37" simply a not very good 8 in front of that 7, in which case you have added to our historical knowledge that a WING headstock "Force 30" was reissued in 1987? Or
  (c) could it be that this is a case where the last number of the year was used as the first number of the serial number---like they, in fact, did later in the '80s and in a part of the '90s for SOME models? In which case your Wing headed "Force 30" is actually a 1983 model when Wing series was still going a little while being replaced by Force.

And what is the proper name of your guitar? I have to say it is a "30", but what kind of "30"?  Well, in an old 1980 YAMAKI-WASHBURN ad it looks like you may have an answer----I am following that down right now.  Your serial number, though, is screwed up to be an 81. I still lean towards a 1983 guitar because of my reason (c) above.  BTW the Force series came out in strength that year.  Do not let the pickups fool you----I have seen various pickup styles on vintage Washies--so that is not necessarily a factor.

I have taken you down the path of my reasoning so far--------a little more investigation and I may find a name to match the date.  Bear with me. And I hope from all the above you can see how tortured is the path to unravel Washburn's early electric history, especially when you have pieces that do not fit together very well.
It would be most helpful to have a complete set of pictures: full length front and back, closeup of heel, headstock front and back, body closeup


Whew again...................and thanks for the patience!

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: A20 history questions...
« on: April 30, 2013, 05:03:27 PM »
Washburn does not know what they are talking about in these early dates ... their records were destroyed in 1988 for everything 1987 on back. The A series (Stage series) started in 1980 along with the B-20 and B-5 basses--period, and went to at least 1985 (I have an ad) and have heard talk of maybe to 1987 though I have yet to see a serial number for that year.  However, they were reissued in 1995 and up to at least 1997 (I have pictures of them).  The previous answer about the first number on a 6-digit SN was correct------your guitar would have to be a 1997 reissue.
1978 saw the Raven and Hawk guitars only.  Look at the 1978 price list. 1978 was the first year they went electric.

Can we all get a picture of the Hawk, serial number, etc? Gotta be a beauty!

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: Washburn Raven (First version)
« on: April 29, 2013, 09:06:01 PM »
You know its not a 1988. You know that Washburn in the very late '80s I think it was, used only the last number of the year, assuming you'd know the decade. They did not do that in the late 1970's. So I have a picture of a 1980 Raven, also with the stickered Serial Number that says 80369E.

So I have to conclude that somebody fat-fingered your serial number and it should have been 78312E
Interesting!  Not the first mistake I have seen from Washburn.

Note: the reissue Raven was called an SB-5 and was a 1994 model. (Never saw a 1993 or a 1995, are there any?)  But sure never had a 1988 reissue!!

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: My washburns
« on: April 29, 2013, 08:49:51 PM »
Que bellas!  Beautiful guitars!  Thanks.

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: WHAT IS THIS?
« on: April 29, 2013, 08:48:46 PM »
Looks like you have a Force 30, also referred to as a "Strat copy". I know they were made at least until 1983 (I have the ad). Interestingly enough, in Japan they were called an SS-70 (I have the ad).  Note that your bridge pickup is not original.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: washburn wing series white custom
« on: April 27, 2013, 11:42:44 PM »
yeah---its a 1981--------PLEASE get the photos up including the serial number!  Go to the HELP section.

Vintage and Rare Washburns / Re: Washburn Falcon 1981 (NOS?)
« on: April 27, 2013, 11:40:34 PM »
That is PURE BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discuss Basses and Bass Playing / Re: Washburn SB 40?
« on: April 27, 2013, 10:27:50 PM »
I have a SB-40 frettless bass which had EMG pick ups in it when I bought it. One of the split pickups died and after carefull consideration I bought some Bartolili classic(?) pick ups for it. I wanted a little more bottom end sounding pick up for the fretless so I can wind a bit of high mids into it. It sounds fantastic. With your fretted bass I would suggest you explore the standard Bartolini pick ups. The punch and sustain you'll get will impress you and they look good too. The Bart's are passive so no need to carve out the cavity to fit a battery. The beauty of these guitars is they are a good thing to play and sound great but are not particularly attractive on the collector's market so modifying them to suit yourself won't have much of an impact if you ever sell. Anyway chances are you've just made it better for the next owner.
If you were wondering, I have no affiliation with Bartolini, EMG or anyone else selling spare parts for that matter but I know what sounds good and plays nice.

Good gawd! You have an original FRETLESS SB-40??? Frets were not pulled?  Please Bruce, post pictures of the bass, truss rod cover and the serial number and any chance you have original documentation? If truly an SB-40 and not a B-40, you may have the rarest SB-40 made!! I am trying to track down the lost history of the vintage Washie basses for a book and every bit helps!!  Thanks so much!

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: 1980 Falcon Deluxe, goldtop finish
« on: April 27, 2013, 09:09:20 PM »
wow!! what is the serial number on that baby????

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: my washburns hawk and falcon
« on: April 27, 2013, 08:56:51 PM »
Hey carl300367------- nice scores! What are the serial numbers on these? Please post!!!   And can someone please tell me the definitive difference between the Hawk and the Falcon???

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: My modified Falcon
« on: April 27, 2013, 08:44:09 PM »
Nice axe - your mod makes it even more rare - its a 1 up now ! - you know, I prefer to keep certain units stock & work with the tone, but thats just me - the other side of that is if I had a guitar that fit me so well & played so sweet but I just couldent get what I needed out of it, then I would mod - I will say what you did was unique compared to just swapping pups as usual - kinda cool - I really like my Falcon but admit the pups are not as warm / rich sounding as my go to electric, a Gibson SG I bought new in 70 or 71 - Ill have to do some digging here on the forum as I thought the brass ring markers were the earlier units - the serial # on mine is 305-74-2673 - pics included - I dig your Falcon, wish I could have come across a Rosewood top unit, beautiful wood on that one - D.

Hey Stogie--------How can you tell it is a Falcon and not a Hawk model? Sometimes they look so similar it is confusing to me. Sometimes the truss cover has the name, sometimes they are blank. Very frustrating.

BTW--that is not the serial number---that has got to be someone's Social Security number on it for identification in case it was stolen. The serial number will definitely start with the year---78, 79, 80, etc) and then a series of usually 3 or 4 numbers .
Also, as Washburn was a bit inconsistent with things, Falcon sometimes had the serial number on a sticker on the bottom of the rear headstock like they did with some Ravens.

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: My modified Falcon
« on: April 27, 2013, 08:39:57 PM »
Its a typical strat single coil routing, about 1 inch deep. Interestingly I found another wood below the rosewood, either side of the through neck. It looks like the centre of the ash body was routed out and then filled with a lighter wood, leaving a channel for the pup wires after the neck was inserted and before the rosewood arch top was glued on.
I can understand why the 1978 listed price was $649!

Holy Smoke! Do you have the rest of this document? Lets see the bass guitar page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show Us Your Washburn / Re: My modified Falcon
« on: April 27, 2013, 08:38:18 PM »
Hi Bstones-------nice Falcon.  Yours is the only one I have ever seen with 5 pots!! They usually have 4. I have even seen one in original shape with only 1 pot but was a definite Falcon with the truss rod cover.. Washburn did some interesting things occasionally.

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