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« on: November 20, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »
 

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2008, 03:00:34 PM »
Headstock and upper-bout shape tell me this is a Matsumoku-built (Japanese) guitar.  I'd guess mid-80s.

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 02:52:36 PM »
There are probably several threads with more details if you search.  The headstock shape, block inlays, plain maple top and placement of the input jack all point to it being made in Japan.  I don't know enough (and haven't been able to get more info out of Washburn) to narrow it down farther than that as to who the actual manufacturer was, but this one should be Japanese made before production was moved to Korea during 1991 (Washburn told me they don't have SN records to indicate what was made where during 1991, but I believe the indicators above hold true for those made in 1991 as well).
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 12:30:53 PM »
Thank you.  I will take the pickups and pots out, to see if there are any numbers.
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 01:31:04 AM »
I took the switch out today, I think the guitar is made in 1988.  The switch shows

8804
T867-0061
DECO

The guitar also has a long tenon
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 11:25:14 AM »
yup,
check this out! I really think what you have is a '89 model year, came off the line in '88

I suspect that during the year, they re-designed the 35 and added the -60 as a higher end guitar, using the Gibson style bound headstock on the 60, and reverting to the wing style for the -35

Look at this flyer for the '89 model year, the -35 has the wing headstock and only has inlays to the 15th fret, like yours, while Michael and I have the same headstock as the -60(but without the decorative inlay), and fretboard inlays to 19. I suspect you got a transistion version of the '89, in the tobacco sunburst, that's why they didn't put a serial number in there.





what do you guys think?

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 08:11:34 AM »
Hi tio kimo...do you have the other side of the pic? whrer the J6 appears?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 09:05:29 AM »
nope unfortunately.

That's all I've got from that year.


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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 07:48:27 PM »
Kimo,

Where did you get the pic, that's so cool.  Who do you think made the HB35 of yours and mine.  Matsumoku?


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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 09:54:03 PM »
well, from the articles I've read, Matsumoku ceased making guitars for Washburn in '85, and even at that, didn't make the HB's at all. If that's true, then IF ours are in fact 88's they couldn't have been made by Matsumoku, but could certainly have been made in Japan by someone else.

Curious though, it seems that the string through design of the HB's was dropped in 84, and the serial number pattern changed sometime after 84, which would make sense had they shifted production from one factory to another.

Unfortunately, so much of this is speculation. I'm hoping that with so many HB enthusiasts, and with the name of this thread being specifically about dating...it'll stay alive and we can get more information.

As for the picture, that was emailed to me by Washburn Customer Service when I inquired. For all I've heard about them, they have ALWAYS been super responsive to my inquiries.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 10:20:48 PM »
Kimo,

Every Japanese made HB35's serial number after the string through model starts with a 8***.  Do you think of all those guitars are made in 1988.  Maybe the 4 digit serial number do not represent the year???  Do you think they made the headstock of your guitar's first or my guitar's headstock?  Maybe they made a new headstock and went back to the wing headstock, and after a few weeks, they changed their minds.  Does your guitar has one piece neck or a scarf joint?  My guitar has a diamond volute, maybe they think it's not a good idea to put a diamond volute on the guitar, so they changed the design.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 07:20:11 PM »

Is that true about the serial numbers? I didn't know that. I was told that the 4 digit # probably represents year, then number. I hadn't noticed that they all were that way. So, if we knowthat they moved production to Korea around '91, what serial numbers do confirmed 89's, 90's, 91's have? What about 85's 86's and 87's?

Maybe if we started a thread that gave a couple photos and the serial number, we could get this sorted out.

As for the headstock, the wing style is what they used on the early 80's string through guits, and my guess is that they went to the bound gibson style in a simple effort to add some bling, then when they added other models to the line, reintroduced the wing to the 35, and left the fancier headstock for the HB-50 and HB-60 etc.

Another thing I recently noticed, 1984's headstock has an inlay while mine does not. In every other way, ours seem identical. As for the volute, again, I'm just guessing it was added as a point of distinction for the model. Obviously, we can't know for sure. Yours, minus the serial number, may have been a proto model, and that's just another bonus for yours in particular?!

I do have a scarf joint on the neck. I'm gonna get in the box with an inspection mirror and a flashlight, see if I can pull some digits with performing surgery.

Any 80's HB owners out there....PLEASE feel free to chime in with your $.02!! I saw it written somewhere on the board that there is a belief that for a while anyway, Matsumoku made HB's but I've not found anything else to support that. That'd be cool if we knew. What were the other Japanese plants involved?

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 01:38:23 PM »

 Well, here's mine -



 Complete with volute -


 But without serial no -


 I've always been curious as to her origins, as she'll soon be up for sale. Looks like the one in the ad...

 So, MIJ or what..?
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 02:35:15 PM »
Hey Stuntman,

Looks nice.  My guess is made in Japan, and the serial # should have probably been 83 XX based on the the design and parts.  Any ideal on what the top and back wood is?  Looks like it might be mahogany.  Also, do you also have the original case?

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2009, 05:16:50 PM »
King of the Stuntmen, my HB35 is EXACTLY like that, same volute,even the same pickup discolouring!